Tiberius Posted September 18, 2020 Posted September 18, 2020 19 minutes ago, Gary M said: Is it carrying the virus? Is what? The moister? Yes. And it fogging up your glasses is proof its slowing the spread of it. Bring it! I love you anti-science guys. Because you also do not believe in man made global warming, right?
Gary M Posted September 18, 2020 Posted September 18, 2020 Just now, Tiberius said: Is what? The moister? Yes. And it fogging up your glasses is proof its slowing the spread of it. Bring it! I love you anti-science guys. Because you also do not believe in man made global warming, right? So after I wipe my glasses and touch the door handle at the local dollar general what happens?
B-Man Posted September 18, 2020 Posted September 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Dr Fauci says they work. Nuff said Dr Fauci says it is safe to vote in person..........nuff said. 3 1
Tiberius Posted September 18, 2020 Posted September 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Gary M said: So after I wipe my glasses and touch the door handle at the local dollar general what happens? That's why Dr. Fauci warns us to wash our hands Just now, B-Man said: Dr Fauci says it is safe to vote in person..........nuff said. Ok You are another anti-science zealot.
plenzmd1 Posted September 18, 2020 Posted September 18, 2020 14 minutes ago, Tiberius said: He's right I trust him, he's an expert. Can you post links to prove he said those things? He's been consistent from what I've seen. And, you also doubt global warming? Or something along those line? No, don’t doubt global warming at all. Can debate causes and remedy’s , but not a doubt the climate is changing. see, that’s the problem, what on Gods green earth do my thoughts on global warming, or who I vote for, what in the world does that have to do with Covid. I am been on PPP for 4 years, always a never Trumper. Still am. ( although that may be changing). truth and honesty has to go both ways, both sides lying out their arses on Covid. and BTW, I linked to Fauci no mask already. here is his 60k https://www.npr.org/2020/04/09/830664814/fauci-says-u-s-coronavirus-deaths-may-be-more-like-60-000-antibody-tests-on-way sint have time to link all the rest. J 2
New Improved DC Tom Posted September 18, 2020 Posted September 18, 2020 1 hour ago, spartacus said: prior to 2020, the science was clear masks do not work to stop microscopic airborne particles physics does not allow a N95 mask with stopping power of .5 microns to stop covid airborne particles no bigger tha .27 mircrons Masks are specifically droplet precautions, though. And that goes a long way - airborne viruses are not transmitted on their own as free-floating bodies, but within droplets and aerosols in the 1-50 micron range. 1
BillsToast Posted September 18, 2020 Posted September 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Dr Fauci says they work. Nuff said Fauci also said Trump did everything he could for Covid. Nuff said too? O, what a tangled web... you can finish it https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/515718-fauci-says-trump-did-not-distort-impact-of-covid-pandemic
plenzmd1 Posted September 18, 2020 Posted September 18, 2020 Guess can’t post this stuff on main board anymore, so will post it here. Written by a teammate of my daughter , pretty powerful stuff. And BTW , kid that penned it is a huge Bills fan, been to a couple games with me. 5
Tiberius Posted September 18, 2020 Posted September 18, 2020 32 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: No, don’t doubt global warming at all. Can debate causes and remedy’s , but not a doubt the climate is changing. see, that’s the problem, what on Gods green earth do my thoughts on global warming, or who I vote for, what in the world does that have to do with Covid. I am been on PPP for 4 years, always a never Trumper. Still am. ( although that may be changing). truth and honesty has to go both ways, both sides lying out their arses on Covid. and BTW, I linked to Fauci no mask already. here is his 60k https://www.npr.org/2020/04/09/830664814/fauci-says-u-s-coronavirus-deaths-may-be-more-like-60-000-antibody-tests-on-way sint have time to link all the rest. J No surprise you are changing, the attempt to discredit Fauci is pretty telling there. And Fauci quote there is suppose to prove what? It was April and it seemed like people were going to follow the guidelines, that they didn’t and things got worse is suppose to be a surprise?? Huh? And like I saiid, Fauci has been consistent every time I’ve seen and listened to him. Not sure where these quotes are coming from that he said something different.
plenzmd1 Posted September 18, 2020 Posted September 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Tiberius said: No surprise you are changing, the attempt to discredit Fauci is pretty telling there. And Fauci quote there is suppose to prove what? It was April and it seemed like people were going to follow the guidelines, that they didn’t and things got worse is suppose to be a surprise?? Huh? And like I saiid, Fauci has been consistent every time I’ve seen and listened to him. Not sure where these quotes are coming from that he said something different. Fauci has changed his opinions on this as much as anyone. He is to be praised for his work, and his dedication to this country. It does not mean he is a Demigod who is infallible. he has made mistakes in calculations, guess what, he is human. Unfortunately , Trump is such a great divider and the opposition to him so fierce rational and critical thought is out the window, now it is seen through the light Of Pro Trump or Never Trump. and that’s a damn shame when millions are being driven into poverty and countless lives affected in so many ways ( see my list above) , but. Party above all else is prevailing... on both sides. let me ask you this, do you dispute the NYT findings that as many of 90% of the cases would not be cases if the CT rate was 30 instead of all the way up to 40?
Tiberius Posted September 18, 2020 Posted September 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Fauci has changed his opinions on this as much as anyone. He is to be praised for his work, and his dedication to this country. It does not mean he is a Demigod who is infallible. he has made mistakes in calculations, guess what, he is human. Unfortunately , Trump is such a great divider and the opposition to him so fierce rational and critical thought is out the window, now it is seen through the light Of Pro Trump or Never Trump. and that’s a damn shame when millions are being driven into poverty and countless lives affected in so many ways ( see my list above) , but. Party above all else is prevailing... on both sides. let me ask you this, do you dispute the NYT findings that as many of 90% of the cases would not be cases if the CT rate was 30 instead of all the way up to 40? I don't agree with this at all. Your point was about masks. But he has been consistent on the point from everything I have seen from day one. I've been watching and have never seen him say anything different. And then there's the fact that every other public health official I've watched or read has backed that up. So it's case closed to me. Wear the damn mask. Trump the idiot has said other wise, or even made fun of the idea, while protecting himself and calling his people out to come and take risks--away from him. Both sides? One side believes the science, the other side, not so much. Is it irrational to follow the experts? Is it irrational to contradict the experts? No and yes IMO. And the poverty and lives lost? Whose fault is that? Can you link to NYT findings so I can understand what you are talking about? Does it have anything to do with masks?
plenzmd1 Posted September 18, 2020 Posted September 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, Tiberius said: I don't agree with this at all. Your point was about masks. But he has been consistent on the point from everything I have seen from day one. I've been watching and have never seen him say anything different. And then there's the fact that every other public health official I've watched or read has backed that up. So it's case closed to me. Wear the damn mask. Trump the idiot has said other wise, or even made fun of the idea, while protecting himself and calling his people out to come and take risks--away from him. Both sides? One side believes the science, the other side, not so much. Is it irrational to follow the experts? Is it irrational to contradict the experts? No and yes IMO. And the poverty and lives lost? Whose fault is that? Can you link to NYT findings so I can understand what you are talking about? Does it have anything to do with masks? Jesus, i know there is a reason i never respond to you. My point was just cause Fauci says it, does not make it so. Posted this earlier, but apparently you did not want to watch. In terms of listening to the science, neither "side" is, but especially the left.Look at the two articles below, noth from "liberal" publications. And yet you have no idea what the science proves, and yet claim your side follows the science. That's rich. here is the NYT article https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html and another for the Star Tribune https://www.startribune.com/broad-covid-19-testing-under-microscope/572396572/ and here is the thing..I blame Trump for not setting a national standard for this, no doubt. Does not change the fact that NYT says 90 % could be false positves, and the Star Tribune says at least 43% false at 35CT. So case rates from PCR tests in most states are pure junk...state and and labs setting the bar to high, Trump not setting a national rate exacerbated the problem. And oh, just for poops and giggles, why has Fauci not weighed in on this? I mean our whole nation is in a freaking holding pattern over these "cases"...what if 43% of the cases just went away..and logically 43% of the people who died "with covid"...that is what science asks. Do you want to get into the subject of Herd Immunity..and what the "media" and left is saying as the threshold as opposed to the scientists? I can go on that all day as well At least have an honest debate and leave the hatred for Trump at the door. Peoples lives and livelhoods are at stake, but all you care about is winning and getting Trump out of office, no matter the cost 2 1
GG Posted September 18, 2020 Posted September 18, 2020 1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said: At least have an honest debate and leave the hatred for Trump at the door. You're a comedian too? 2
ziltoid Posted September 18, 2020 Posted September 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Jesus, i know there is a reason i never respond to you. My point was just cause Fauci says it, does not make it so. 4 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: At least have an honest debate and leave the hatred for Trump at the door. Peoples lives and livelhoods are at stake, but all you care about is winning and getting Trump out of office, no matter the cost
Tiberius Posted September 18, 2020 Posted September 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Jesus, i know there is a reason i never respond to you. My point was just cause Fauci says it, does not make it so. Posted this earlier, but apparently you did not want to watch. A) I trust Fauci, that was my point. Nothing you have said or posted would lead me to even consider changing my opinion. B) You seem a bit arrogant, so what if you don't respond to me? And that you posted something earlier like I read every post here, whatever. But I'll watch! 8 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: In terms of listening to the science, neither "side" is, but especially the left.Look at the two articles below, noth from "liberal" publications. And yet you have no idea what the science proves, and yet claim your side follows the science. That's rich. Oh, I'd say the left took this way more seriously, and Trump is just flat out lying about it to the public. And you say the left is not taking it seriously, ok I'll read when I get a few minutes
Tiberius Posted September 18, 2020 Posted September 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: here is the NYT article https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html The testing of a new virus got off to a rocky start? Well, imagine that? The 200,000 or so deaths are real. Right? I'm sure mistake get made, but that doesn't mean I don't trust Fauci about masks. I still do
Tiberius Posted September 18, 2020 Posted September 18, 2020 19 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: I read the transcript of this and he did say, back when there was a shortage and health care providers needed them. More info has also been gathered since then. I'm still trusting him.
spartacus Posted September 18, 2020 Posted September 18, 2020 1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said: s. let me ask you this, do you dispute the NYT findings that as many of 90% of the cases would not be cases if the CT rate was 30 instead of all the way up to 40? the CDC instructions (p 26) mandate that all PCR tests run for 45 cycles (to generate 35 TRILLION copies) why would 45 cycles be needed if testing is supposed to be at 40 cycles- (which is way too high anyway)
plenzmd1 Posted September 18, 2020 Posted September 18, 2020 45 minutes ago, Tiberius said: The testing of a new virus got off to a rocky start? Well, imagine that? The 200,000 or so deaths are real. Right? I'm sure mistake get made, but that doesn't mean I don't trust Fauci about masks. I still do Thank you for proving you did not read the article. It has nothing to do with "getting off to a rocky start".,,zero.but i know, you follow the science, even if that means you don't actually read anything besides talking points. 41 minutes ago, Tiberius said: I read the transcript of this and he did say, back when there was a shortage and health care providers needed them. More info has also been gathered since then. I'm still trusting him. do we forget all the "any cloth covering will do" make a homemade mask etc he was telling us 4 weeks after this interview? Guy made a mistake, does not mean he is not right now, just means he can make mistakes..but you seem to believe that anything he says is Gospel...kinda like what you accuse the MAGA crowd of doing 1
Tiberius Posted September 18, 2020 Posted September 18, 2020 3 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: Thank you for proving you did not read the article. It has nothing to do with "getting off to a rocky start".,,zero.but i know, you follow the science, even if that means you don't actually read anything besides talking points. do we forget all the "any cloth covering will do" make a homemade mask etc he was telling us 4 weeks after this interview? Guy made a mistake, does not mean he is not right now, just means he can make mistakes..but you seem to believe that anything he says is Gospel...kinda like what you accuse the MAGA crowd of doing This is a new virus, so new testing. Rocky start. Pretty simple man. You comparing Fauci advice to Trump’s? Come on, that’s ridiculous. Trying to make false equivalence points between a serious scientist and doofus who can’t tell the truth from a lie. And sure, he can make mistakes, but I still believe him. Fauci is very trust worthy. 1
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