The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[BillsFanNC]

3 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

1 - Get going on PPE distribution AND production. 

2 - Prepare people to social distance. 

3 - Signal to hospitals that they need to start paying a lot of attention to this and get treatments ready. 

4 - Start Warp Speed. 

5 - Stop holding giant Trump pep rallies when he already knew about how the virus was air transmissible and 5x deadly. 

 

Off the top of my head. 

 

 

His actions were wrong...his knowledge as you can see from the tape was not.

 

HE KNEW and wait for it: He's the president. 

 

So covid is 5x more deadly than flu?  

[shoshin]

3 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

So covid is 5x more deadly than flu?  

 

I see you ignored my post, which is about Trump, what he said and believed, and how he acted and didn't. 

 

(We don't have a good number on that yet, but it's between 3-15x more deadly according to most studies...so Trump was in the range. )

 

Edited September 10, 2020 by shoshin

[WEATHER DOT COM]

36 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Says the guy who's cheering for the riots.

 

Rule #2, 5G. You are incorrect with this post.

[GG]

Just now, shoshin said:

 

I see you ignored my post, which is about Trump, what he said and believed, and how he acted and didn't. 

 

 

His public actions were totally in line with what the health officials were recommending at the time, because they didn't think that the virus had taken hold in the US, and would likely follow the path of SARS1 & H1N1. 

 

Who told people to not wear masks and go enjoy the public outings throughout February & early March?

 

 

[BillsFanNC]

2 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

I see you ignored my post, which is about Trump, what he said and believed, and how he acted and didn't. 

 

Your TDS is strong. Please don't make any further claims in the name of science.  

[shoshin]

1 minute ago, GG said:

 

Who told people to not wear masks and go enjoy the public outings throughout February & early March?

 

 

Plenty of stupid mayors and one president of the United States was having rallies. 

[GG]

1 minute ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

Rule #2, 5G. You are incorrect with this post.

 

You can't even use your own inane points?  Yeah, I've seen your countless posts denouncing the political violence.

1 minute ago, shoshin said:

 

Plenty of stupid mayors and one president of the United States was having rallies. 

 

They are politicians, who were acting at the advice of the medical "experts" at the time.

[WEATHER DOT COM]

Just now, GG said:

Yeah, I've seen your countless posts denouncing the political violence.

 

You said I cheer for it.

 

Find that post.

 

Rule #2

 

or ***** off

[GG]

Just now, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

You said I cheer for it.

 

Find that post.

 

Rule #2

 

or ***** off

 

I thought silence is violence.

[WEATHER DOT COM]

2 minutes ago, GG said:

 

I thought silence is violence.

 

[DFT]

Just now, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

 

“Go Bills - this board has lost it's luster. 

 

I'll be back when Biden wins. Until then, sayonara all.”

 

-  WHO

[WEATHER DOT COM]

2 minutes ago, DFT said:

 

“Go Bills - this board has lost it's luster. 

 

I'll be back when Biden wins. Until then, sayonara all.”

 

-  WHO

 

[GaryPinC]

49 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

More importantly, unlike heart disease or smoking....WE HAVE NO CURE for this virus. So these ‘leadership experts’ want the President to do what exactly?

I'm not a leadership expert, but if you accept that Trump knew the virus was going to be bad in late February what could he have done differently?  Plenty.

 

Absolutely he did great cutting flights from China and Europe.  Plenty of stupid people criticized him at the time and now those same people are crying he should have done it earlier.  Whatever, he deserves full marks for stepping up here.

 

What could he have done differently?  One easy catch-all answer:  SET A BETTER TONE FROM THE TOP.

 

Try to avoid panic?  Yep, good job and understandable.

Get the nation at large to take the pandemic seriously?  Total fail.

 

Wear a mask.  There's unrefutable reasons surgeons wear masks.  Those apply here.  Most importantly, masks protect others and instead of us pulling together as a society for something so simple, it got politicized and pulled us apart.

What role did Trump play in this?  Yuuuge.

 

Get the message out alongside democrats that this virus is real and to set politics aside, be a good American and pull together for each other despite personal opinions.

 

Force businesses to implement distancing measures before the shutdown, especially senior care facilities.  Very few were willing to do it unless forced.  Instead, we had to shut them all down.

 

Getting the economy going?  No one discusses this much, but even with businesses open, there's a large percent of the population that won't take a chance going to them because of all the people that don't take Covid seriously.  

 

This post's long enough, there's much more but Trump's tactic of being optimistic while refusing to advocate a cautious, nonpolitical tone has made this entire bad situation worse, medically, socially, and economically.

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, shoshin said:

That #HeKnew it was more deadly and contagious is not as newsworthy as that #HeKnew it was more deadly and contagious and did nothing except downplay it until it was far too late ( and even then continued to downplay it).  

 

We can't know how different NYC would have been if it had proper PPE and a ready population prepared in a united response, but they could have seen something more akin to the fatality rate we're seeing today. 

 

I don't fully fault Trump for this but he is POTUS and he says he knew it was 5x more fatal than the flu and more contagious.  

 

(Did Tucker really shoot Lindsay Graham and Bob Woodward over this? WTF happened to that guy? He used to be a pretty solid minded commentator.) 

 

 

Sorry--this topic is in two places so I am pulling my response here. 

 

You don't choose your leadership stances based on "people won't listen." You choose them based on, I hope, "This is important and I--as your sworn leader with a duty to protect you--need to convince you to listen."  

 

Leaders lead. They don't shrug. 

Look up the concept of federalism. Then read about Nancy Pelosi's visit to Chinatown in SF on 2-24-20. After that, look up what Cuomo and De Blasio were saying in March as it pertained to going out to dinner and the theater. Look up what Cuomo did with the NYS stash of ventilators in 2015. Then when NYS was deep in the throes of the virus look up the fabulous things Cuomo was saying about the federal government's response to it. After that is done, check on what Cuomo ordered people that still were contagious to do as it pertains to nursing homes. While you are at it, consider all of the hospital beds that were unused in the Mercy ship and Javits Center, all provided by the federal government. You might want to also see what Dr. Fauci recently had to say about Trump's statements and performance in regards to fighting the virus. 

 

We were actually set up and attacked by China, sneaking this virus into our country (and elsewhere) while they simultaneously hoarded the protective equipment necessary to fight it. Trump mobilized the manufacture of protective equipment and ventilators much like FDR mobilized against Japan. The attacks on Trump are nothing more than seedy politics at its worst. 

[Q-baby!]

Just now, 3rdnlng said:

Look up the concept of federalism. Then read about Nancy Pelosi's visit to Chinatown in SF on 2-24-20. After that, look up what Cuomo and De Blasio were saying in March as it pertained to going out to dinner and the theater. Look up what Cuomo did with the NYS stash of ventilators in 2015. Then when NYS was deep in the throes of the virus look up the fabulous things Cuomo was saying about the federal government's response to it. After that is done, check on what Cuomo ordered people that still were contagious to do as it pertains to nursing homes. While you are at it, consider all of the hospital beds that were unused in the Mercy ship and Javits Center, all provided by the federal government. You might want to also see what Dr. Fauci recently had to say about Trump's statements and performance in regards to fighting the virus. 

 

We were actually set up and attacked by China, sneaking this virus into our country (and elsewhere) while they simultaneously hoarded the protective equipment necessary to fight it. Trump mobilized the manufacture of protective equipment and ventilators much like FDR mobilized against Japan. The attacks on Trump are nothing more than seedy politics at its worst. 

Ah, but, but everyone else! 

[WEATHER DOT COM]

Trying to keep the nation calm?

 

 

Didn't work

 

Edited September 10, 2020 by wAcKy ZeBrA

[SectionC3]

10 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

I'm not a leadership expert, but if you accept that Trump knew the virus was going to be bad in late February what could he have done differently?  Plenty.

 

Absolutely he did great cutting flights from China and Europe.  Plenty of stupid people criticized him at the time and now those same people are crying he should have done it earlier.  Whatever, he deserves full marks for stepping up here.

 

What could he have done differently?  One easy catch-all answer:  SET A BETTER TONE FROM THE TOP.

 

Try to avoid panic?  Yep, good job and understandable.

Get the nation at large to take the pandemic seriously?  Total fail.

 

Wear a mask.  There's unrefutable reasons surgeons wear masks.  Those apply here.  Most importantly, masks protect others and instead of us pulling together as a society for something so simple, it got politicized and pulled us apart.

What role did Trump play in this?  Yuuuge.

 

Get the message out alongside democrats that this virus is real and to set politics aside, be a good American and pull together for each other despite personal opinions.

 

Force businesses to implement distancing measures before the shutdown, especially senior care facilities.  Very few were willing to do it unless forced.  Instead, we had to shut them all down.

 

Getting the economy going?  No one discusses this much, but even with businesses open, there's a large percent of the population that won't take a chance going to them because of all the people that don't take Covid seriously.  

 

This post's long enough, there's much more but Trump's tactic of being optimistic while refusing to advocate a cautious, nonpolitical tone has made this entire bad situation worse, medically, socially, and economically.

 

Thank you.  So well said.  It was a failure of leadership from the top. 

[DFT]

6 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Look up the concept of federalism. Then read about Nancy Pelosi's visit to Chinatown in SF on 2-24-20. After that, look up what Cuomo and De Blasio were saying in March as it pertained to going out to dinner and the theater. Look up what Cuomo did with the NYS stash of ventilators in 2015. Then when NYS was deep in the throes of the virus look up the fabulous things Cuomo was saying about the federal government's response to it. After that is done, check on what Cuomo ordered people that still were contagious to do as it pertains to nursing homes. While you are at it, consider all of the hospital beds that were unused in the Mercy ship and Javits Center, all provided by the federal government. You might want to also see what Dr. Fauci recently had to say about Trump's statements and performance in regards to fighting the virus. 

 

We were actually set up and attacked by China, sneaking this virus into our country (and elsewhere) while they simultaneously hoarded the protective equipment necessary to fight it. Trump mobilized the manufacture of protective equipment and ventilators much like FDR mobilized against Japan. The attacks on Trump are nothing more than seedy politics at its worst. 

This argument is divided by two sides and can be judged easily by the content which they contribute on their behalf...

 

Those that can admit the president acted accordingly under unprecedented circumstances (amidst a seething political corruption scheme, a lab-released pandemic of unknown capabilities  and a compromised media)

 

&

 

Those that hate Trump, justify riots as mostly peaceful protests, find no issues with an-named sources and think there’s validity in the Russian investigation.

 

 

5 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

Thank you.  So well said.  It was a failure of leadership from the top. 

The Nina...

[3rdnlng]

4 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

Trying to keep the nation calm?

 

 

Didn't work

 

 

How many tons of PPE did Trump send to China?

Yes, initially China had us fooled. Maybe if we had more spies on the ground there we could have confirmed what was going on a little sooner. Shall we talk about what actions depleted our in country espionage in China?

[shoshin]

2 minutes ago, DFT said:

 

Those that can admit the president acted accordingly under unprecedented circumstances

 

 

I give him and many others a lot of leeway because this was new, and have said so, but Trump is on record in Feb and March saying it was 5x more deadly than the flu and air transmissible ... and in the meantime not taking active steps to get the country prepared for a pandemic ... and also holding multiple giant rallies. 

 

So there's that. 

 

If he got everyone worked up and nothing happened, he'd deserve some blame. 

 

What he did was minimal early on and lots happened. He deserves some blame. 

 

That's the burden of being the big man. When you make the wrong decision, you're accountable for it.