Kemp Posted September 1, 2020 Posted September 1, 2020 14 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: And your point other than Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump? You’re like a band that plays the same set every single night. Even if their music is good it becomes boring and very predictable. You can criticize me. You can't refute what I've posted in this thread. And the band played on.
keepthefaith Posted September 1, 2020 Posted September 1, 2020 1 hour ago, nkreed said: I don't have an answer to your question. But I do have an observation on your insinuation (wether intentional or not). The insinuation I take from this is that the US should ban the right to assemble (since it does no good). We have enough constitutional trampling already, we don't need more. Not insinuating that at all. What I'm suggesting is that the collective time and energy invested in protests might be better spent directly engaging those in a position to make a difference. Assemble in a prepared and organized fashion with the target audience. A more businesslike approach might be more effective.
shoshin Posted September 1, 2020 Posted September 1, 2020 Domestic calls and violence: The calls are not increasing. https://penntoday.upenn.edu/news/data-driven-approach-understanding-domestic-violence-during-pandemic?fbclid=IwAR3Fxs9AqV4CS7XolsutfSodx20JqejXe9Qthsn-50zKo7HJi3kAbiAEKAk “Service providers anticipate that hotline calls will increase when people start going back to work and school, that is, when it’s safe to call again.”
Tommy Callahan Posted September 1, 2020 Posted September 1, 2020 6%. The CDC Comorbidities table is damning to the fear mongering media and politicians that pushed to shut down the economy while forcing people inside/wear mask. the more one digs into the ICD - 10 codes on Table 3, the more one realizes the amount of effery that's been pushed as fact. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm 3
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted September 1, 2020 Posted September 1, 2020 @Magox I think a week or so ago a person reinfection. Here is video makes much sense with t cell and b cell memory. 1
shoshin Posted September 1, 2020 Posted September 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Oh? Great article. Sweden did what we all should have done. Get ready, then get on with it. Though Sweden has a totally different culture than us and our death toll would no doubt have been higher if we just stayed open the entire time, which I am willing to accept because I'm heartless...guess that's because I'm an MSM lemming according to you lot. 1
Reality Check Posted September 1, 2020 Posted September 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, shoshin said: Great article. Sweden did what we all should have done. Get ready, then get on with it. Though Sweden has a totally different culture than us and our death toll would no doubt have been higher if we just stayed open the entire time, which I am willing to accept because I'm heartless...guess that's because I'm an MSM lemming according to you lot. 1
spartacus Posted September 1, 2020 Posted September 1, 2020 On 8/31/2020 at 11:52 AM, shoshin said: Do you have a link to that claim about the CDC changing its spec in June? I'd like to read about that. The following discusses the flaws in the PCR test As I noted, the PCR test range started from 35- 45 replication cycles. On June 12, the CDC PCR instructions raised the recommended cycle count to 45- which basically multiplies the genetic material 35 trillion times From the Times article: Tests with thresholds so high may detect not just live virus but also genetic fragments, leftovers from infection that pose no particular risk — akin to finding a hair in a room long after a person has left, Dr. Mina said. Any test with a cycle threshold above 35 is too sensitive, agreed Juliet Morrison, a virologist at the University of California, Riverside. “I’m shocked that people would think that 40 could represent a positive,” she said. “ https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-live-trump-speaks-during-discussion-community-safety-kenosha by Jon Rappoport September 1, 2020 Townhall.com, August 29: “According to The New York Times, potentially 90 percent of those who have tested positive for COVID-19 have such insignificant amounts of the virus present in their bodies that such individuals do not need to isolate nor are they candidates for contact tracing. Leading public health experts are now concerned that overtesting is responsible for misdiagnosing a huge number of people with harmless amounts of the virus in their systems.” “’Most of these people are not likely to be contagious…’ warns The Times.” Yes, that’s what the NY Times is confessing (8/29): “Some of the nation’s leading public health experts are raising a new concern in the endless debate over coronavirus testing in the United States: The standard tests are diagnosing huge numbers of people who may be carrying relatively insignificant amounts of the virus. Most of these people are not likely to be contagious…” “In three sets of testing data…compiled by officials in Massachusetts, New York and Nevada, up to 90 percent of people testing positive carried barely any virus, a review by The Times found.” Let me break this down for you, because it’s a lot worse than the Times admits. The rabbit hole goes much deeper—and I’ve been reporting on the deeper facts for months. The issue appears to be the ballooning sensitivity of the PCR test. It’s so sensitive that it picks up inconsequential tiny, tiny amounts of virus that couldn’t harm a flea—and it calls these amounts “positive.” Therefore, millions of people are labeled “positive/infected” who carry so little virus that no harm would come to them or anyone they come in contact with. That would be bad enough. But the truth is, the PCR test is not able to produce ANY reliable number that reflects how much virus a person is carrying. A lot, a little, it doesn’t matter. The test has never been validated, in a large-scale study, for the ability to quantify the amount of virus a person is carrying. I’ve proposed how that study should be done IN THE REAL WORLD, NOT IN THE LAB. You take 1000 people and remove tissue samples from them. A lab puts these samples through its PCR and announces which virus it found in each case and how much virus it found in each case. It says: “All right, in patients 23, 46, 76, 89, 265 we found a high amount of virus.” That should mean these particular patients are visibly sick. They will have obvious clinical symptoms. Why? Because actual illness requires millions of millions of a virus replicating in the body. So now we unblind these particular patients with high amounts of virus, according to the PCR. Are they, in fact, sick? Or are they running marathons and swimming five miles a day? Let’s see. For real. THIS VALIDATION OF THE PCR HAS NEVER BEEN DONE. Therefore, the claim that the PCR can determine how much virus is in a human is completely and utterly unproven. Period. Therefore, ALL the PCR tests being done on people all over the world reflect NOTHING about illness, infection, contagion, or transmission. The scam is wall to wall. But there’s more. The PCR isn’t even testing for a particular virus in the first place. It’s using a piece of RNA assumed to be part of a virus. The assumption is unproven. And finally, as I’ve been writing and demonstrating for months, there is no evidence that researchers used proper procedure to discover “a new coronavirus that is causing a pandemic.” Therefore, the PCR test, as worthless as it already is, aims to show the presence of a germ that has never been shown to exist. But let’s lock down the planet, destroy economies and untold numbers of lives in the process. SOURCES: townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonstocking/2020/08/29/it-looks-like-a-lot-of-those-positive-covid-tests-should-have-been-negative-n2575305 nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html 1 1
shoshin Posted September 1, 2020 Posted September 1, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, spartacus said: The following discusses the flaws in the PCR test As I noted, the PCR test range started from 35- 45 replication cycles. On June 12, the CDC PCR instructions raised the recommended cycle count to 45- which basically multiplies the genetic material 35 trillion times From the Times article: Tests with thresholds so high may detect not just live virus but also genetic fragments, leftovers from infection that pose no particular risk — akin to finding a hair in a room long after a person has left, Dr. Mina said. Any test with a cycle threshold above 35 is too sensitive, agreed Juliet Morrison, a virologist at the University of California, Riverside. “I’m shocked that people would think that 40 could represent a positive,” she said. “ https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-live-trump-speaks-during-discussion-community-safety-kenosha by Jon Rappoport September 1, 2020 Townhall.com, August 29: “According to The New York Times, potentially 90 percent of those who have tested positive for COVID-19 have such insignificant amounts of the virus present in their bodies that such individuals do not need to isolate nor are they candidates for contact tracing. Leading public health experts are now concerned that overtesting is responsible for misdiagnosing a huge number of people with harmless amounts of the virus in their systems.” “’Most of these people are not likely to be contagious…’ warns The Times.” Yes, that’s what the NY Times is confessing (8/29): “Some of the nation’s leading public health experts are raising a new concern in the endless debate over coronavirus testing in the United States: The standard tests are diagnosing huge numbers of people who may be carrying relatively insignificant amounts of the virus. Most of these people are not likely to be contagious…” “In three sets of testing data…compiled by officials in Massachusetts, New York and Nevada, up to 90 percent of people testing positive carried barely any virus, a review by The Times found.” Let me break this down for you, because it’s a lot worse than the Times admits. The rabbit hole goes much deeper—and I’ve been reporting on the deeper facts for months. The issue appears to be the ballooning sensitivity of the PCR test. It’s so sensitive that it picks up inconsequential tiny, tiny amounts of virus that couldn’t harm a flea—and it calls these amounts “positive.” Therefore, millions of people are labeled “positive/infected” who carry so little virus that no harm would come to them or anyone they come in contact with. That would be bad enough. But the truth is, the PCR test is not able to produce ANY reliable number that reflects how much virus a person is carrying. A lot, a little, it doesn’t matter. The test has never been validated, in a large-scale study, for the ability to quantify the amount of virus a person is carrying. I’ve proposed how that study should be done IN THE REAL WORLD, NOT IN THE LAB. You take 1000 people and remove tissue samples from them. A lab puts these samples through its PCR and announces which virus it found in each case and how much virus it found in each case. It says: “All right, in patients 23, 46, 76, 89, 265 we found a high amount of virus.” That should mean these particular patients are visibly sick. They will have obvious clinical symptoms. Why? Because actual illness requires millions of millions of a virus replicating in the body. So now we unblind these particular patients with high amounts of virus, according to the PCR. Are they, in fact, sick? Or are they running marathons and swimming five miles a day? Let’s see. For real. THIS VALIDATION OF THE PCR HAS NEVER BEEN DONE. Therefore, the claim that the PCR can determine how much virus is in a human is completely and utterly unproven. Period. Therefore, ALL the PCR tests being done on people all over the world reflect NOTHING about illness, infection, contagion, or transmission. The scam is wall to wall. But there’s more. The PCR isn’t even testing for a particular virus in the first place. It’s using a piece of RNA assumed to be part of a virus. The assumption is unproven. And finally, as I’ve been writing and demonstrating for months, there is no evidence that researchers used proper procedure to discover “a new coronavirus that is causing a pandemic.” Therefore, the PCR test, as worthless as it already is, aims to show the presence of a germ that has never been shown to exist. But let’s lock down the planet, destroy economies and untold numbers of lives in the process. SOURCES: townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonstocking/2020/08/29/it-looks-like-a-lot-of-those-positive-covid-tests-should-have-been-negative-n2575305 nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html I’ve seen those articles and find them compelling, but they don’t talk about the CDC raising the standards in mid June like you said. It’s not a big deal. I just hadn’t heard about that and it seems like it didn’t happen. Edited September 1, 2020 by shoshin
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 1, 2020 Posted September 1, 2020 24 minutes ago, shoshin said: I’ve seen those articles and find them compelling, but they don’t talk about the CDC raising the standards in mid June like you said. It’s not a big deal. I just hadn’t heard about that and it seems like it didn’t happen. ...it is just too bad that at the end of the day, unbiased, non-political laced data, devoid of multiple reports of screwed up testing numbers cannot be ascertained so the scientific community can reach some accurate assessments going forward.....as a layperson, I'd think that information would be invaluable as far as long term effects, seasonal and/or other recurrence, vaccine(s) effectiveness et al.....BUT...."NEVER let a good crisis go to waste"...we are societally SICK............. 1
Chef Jim Posted September 1, 2020 Posted September 1, 2020 8 hours ago, Kemp said: You can criticize me. You can't refute what I've posted in this thread. And the band played on. You are absolutely correct. I can’t refute anything you’ve said. And the reason is not what you think. The reason I can’t refute anything you’ve said is because it’s so unremarkable I’ve not remembered any of it.
B-Man Posted September 1, 2020 Posted September 1, 2020 16 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Oh come on............? 1
Penfield45 Posted September 2, 2020 Posted September 2, 2020 8 hours ago, B-Man said: conservatives call this a hoax but still think 9/11 was real? amazing 1
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