The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[BillStime]

Definition of a cult

 

 

[Tiberius]

We have 4 percent of the world’s population and more than 20 percent of the world’s covid-19 deaths.

[Big Blitz]

 

[GG]

4 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

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This is a huge admission by the UK.  Some notable quotes, which parallels what many here were saying in April

 

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It was always a temporary measure that simply delayed the stage of the epidemic we see now. It was never going to change anything fundamentally, however low we drove down the number of cases, and now we know more about the virus and how to track it we should not be in this position again.

 

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This is why we need a broader range of people on the government advisory board Sage with equal input from economists to assess the damage to incomes, jobs and livelihoods, educationalists to assess the damage to children and mental health specialists to assess levels of depression and anxiety especially among younger adults, as well as psychologists to assess the effects of not being able to go to the theatre or a football match.

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I would not dignify waiting for a vaccine with the term ‘strategy’. That’s a hope not a strategy. But we do need to get on with providing an alternative to lockdown.”

He said a better understanding of who was actually at risk from the virus would allow better solutions to be presented. Any restrictions imposed should be “considered measures” and should protect those who needed it while letting everyone live more freely.

 

 

More stories coming out that extended lockdowns are not effective.

 

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Five months later, the evidence suggests lockdowns were an overly blunt and economically costly tool. They are politically difficult to keep in place for long enough to stamp out the virus. The evidence also points to alternative strategies that could slow the spread of the epidemic at much less cost. As cases flare up throughout the U.S., some experts are urging policy makers to pursue these more targeted restrictions and interventions rather than another crippling round of lockdowns.

“We’re on the cusp of an economic catastrophe,” said James Stock, a Harvard University economist who, with Harvard epidemiologist Michael Mina and others, is modeling how to avoid a surge in deaths without a deeply damaging lockdown. “We can avoid the worst of that catastrophe by being disciplined,” Mr. Stock said.

 

 

[Big Blitz]

THE CDC JUST SAID TODAY ASYMPTOMATICS ARE NO LONGER THE CONCERN WE THOUGHT THEY WERE.......

 

And thus....neither is the virus.  

 

 

 

 

 

[Gary M]

13 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

 

i blame governor cornholio (cuomo)

[shoshin]

21 minutes ago, GG said:

 

 

More stories coming out that extended lockdowns are not effective.

 

 

 

Good article. Also makes as one of its premises the effectiveness of masks:

 

 

Also agree with this take (the former approach being the one I wished we'd done and still wish we would do):

 

Dr. Mina of Harvard said the U.S. at the outset could have chosen to prioritize the economy, as Sweden did, and accept the deaths, or it could have chosen to fully prioritize health by staying locked down until new infections were so low that testing and tracing could control new outbreaks, as some northeastern states such as Rhode Island did. Most of the U.S. did neither. The result was “a complete disaster. We’re harming the economy, waffling back and forth between what is right, what is wrong with a slow drift of companies closing their doors for good,” Dr. Mina said.

[Gary M]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

We have 4 percent of the world’s population and more than 20 percent of the world’s covid-19 deaths.

 

Thanks to governor cornholio (cuomo) who killed 11,000 elderly

[Tiberius]

9 minutes ago, Gary M said:

 

Thanks to governor cornholio (cuomo) who killed 11,000 elderly

Be gone by April 

[Gary M]

10 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Be gone by April 

Big difference between optimism and incompetence. cuomo killed people. Trump saved 1.5 million.

[Magox]

1 hour ago, GG said:

 

This is a huge admission by the UK.  Some notable quotes, which parallels what many here were saying in April

 

 

More stories coming out that extended lockdowns are not effective.

 

 

 

 

Every day that passes by, Sweden's strategy looks better and better.  

 

The only thing they should have done differently and they will be the first to admit it is protect the nursing homes much more so than they did.  That has been their only failing.

 

They never wore masks, they had freedom, practiced common sense social distancing measures and allow things to develop.   I have such admiration for what they did, they knew it was going to be very unpopular with the rest of the world and they stuck to their beliefs and allowed the science and data guide their decisions.

 

Now, unlike any of their neighbors they really don't have to worry about any more outbreaks (so it seems) whereas their neighbors do.

[Tiberius]

22 minutes ago, Gary M said:

Big difference between optimism and incompetence. cuomo killed people. Trump saved 1.5 million.

Lol ? lol ? 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

11 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Lol ? lol ? 

Cuomo put sick people with people in nursing homes. President Trump did save people while closed flights to China when things getting started. He helped buy time with knowledge how to treat people better for doctors and other things.

[Taro T]

32 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

 

Every day that passes by, Sweden's strategy looks better and better.  

 

The only thing they should have done differently and they will be the first to admit it is protect the nursing homes much more so than they did.  That has been their only failing.

 

They never wore masks, they had freedom, practiced common sense social distancing measures and allow things to develop.   I have such admiration for what they did, they knew it was going to be very unpopular with the rest of the world and they stuck to their beliefs and allowed the science and data guide their decisions.

 

Now, unlike any of their neighbors they really don't have to worry about any more outbreaks (so it seems) whereas their neighbors do.

 

@Magox was wondering what your thoughts are on Madrid seeming to be having a 2nd spike.  Did not expect that to occur (thought they'd been hit hard enough in their 1st go around to have reached the herd immunity threshold) but you've been looking at this far closer than yours truly.  What seems to be missing here (or, more accurately, there)?

[Tiberius]

26 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

Cuomo put sick people with people in nursing homes. President Trump did save people while closed flights to China when things getting started. He helped buy time with knowledge how to treat people better for doctors and other things.

It will be gone by April! 

It is what it is. 

 

Cuomo is popular. Trump, not so much 

[shoshin]

20 minutes ago, Taro T said:

 

@Magox was wondering what your thoughts are on Madrid seeming to be having a 2nd spike.  Did not expect that to occur (thought they'd been hit hard enough in their 1st go around to have reached the herd immunity threshold) but you've been looking at this far closer than yours truly.  What seems to be missing here (or, more accurately, there)?

 

Madrid shut EVERYTHING down hard core. That stopped progression. When they reopened, Covid returned (shocker). 

 

I don't see it as a second spike. More like a continuation IMO. And there's almost no chance they get the same deaths like before this time around because there are much better treatments and a younger demo getting hit.  

 

Several perspectives in this article. One interesting thing is that Spain has a *****-ton (an additional 16,000) of unclassified deaths (likely Covid) so far this year but there's a lot of political pressure around how to classify those. 

 

 

 

Edited August 24, 2020 by shoshin

[Big Blitz]

5 minutes ago, Taro T said:

 

@Magox was wondering what your thoughts are on Madrid seeming to be having a 2nd spike.  Did not expect that to occur (thought they'd been hit hard enough in their 1st go around to have reached the herd immunity threshold) but you've been looking at this far closer than yours truly.  What seems to be missing here (or, more accurately, there)?

 

 

Italy to.  

 

New York has "beaten" the virus yet still sees 600 to 800 cases a day. 

 

Those case numbers should not alarm anyone without context.  As it always should be.  

 

Italy has 265K documented cases.  Out of 60 million people.  Half the cases of California a state that has almost half the population they do.  

 

No one has the testing capacity we do.  And we for some reason thought it a good idea to test everyone then present the data with zero context.  Frightening millions.  

 

The world is many months perhaps years from zero cases.  The question is should we be living 6 feet apart (or 3 if you're in Europe I guess it's not as contagious there) for an indefinite period of time.

 

[Taro T]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Italy to.  

 

New York has "beaten" the virus yet still sees 600 to 800 cases a day. 

 

Those case numbers should not alarm anyone without context.  As it always should be.  

 

Italy has 265K documented cases.  Out of 60 million people.  Half the cases of California a state that has almost half the population they do.  

 

No one has the testing capacity we do.  And we for some reason thought it a good idea to test everyone then present the data with zero context.  Frightening millions.  

 

The world is many months perhaps years from zero cases.  The question is should we be living 6 feet apart (or 3 if you're in Europe I guess it's not as contagious there) for an indefinite period of time.

 

 

Hadn't seen reports that Milan is seeing a 2nd spike.  Southern Italy was pretty much virus free when Milan was getting pummeled the 1st time. So not surprised cases are increasing overall in Italy.  Would be surprised to see Milan hit again or anything close to the cluster #### they had in March.

13 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

Madrid shut EVERYTHING down hard core. That stopped progression. When they reopened, Covid returned (shocker). 

 

I don't see it as a second spike. More like a continuation IMO. And there's almost no chance they get the same deaths like before this time around because there are much better treatments.  

 

Several perspectives in this article. One interesting thing is that Spain has a *****-ton (an additional 16,000) of unclassified deaths (likely Covid) so far this year but there's a lot of political pressure around how to classify those. 

 

 

 

 

That would make sense.  If they didn't actually get to whatever that threshold (hopefully only ~20%) for herd immunity is before everything shut down then they'll likely get more cases until they reach the magic number.

 

Hoping that's the case, because if herd immunity really comes in at 20% or so of a population being exposed, this won't be nearly as bad as feared moving forward, vaccine or no vaccine.

[Big Blitz]

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 hours ago, Gary M said:

 

Thanks to governor cornholio (cuomo) who killed 11,000 elderly

 

 

...Big Fredo gets honorable mention for letting 8,000 Chinese nationals pass through NYC AFTER Trump enacted the travel ban.....thus NYC served as the "Covid-19 Gateway to the US"......maybe he'll have a chapter in his new book blaming someone else............