shoshin Posted August 4, 2020 Posted August 4, 2020 11 hours ago, B-Man said: Something to think about. Socially distanced work environments, masks required (though not always enforced), hand sanitizing, no large groupings of employees in close proximity, etc. The lesson: We can be fully open if we are smart about it.
SoCal Deek Posted August 4, 2020 Posted August 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, shoshin said: Socially distanced work environments, masks required (though not always enforced), hand sanitizing, no large groupings of employees in close proximity, etc. The lesson: We can be fully open if we are smart about it. Wrong! The lesson is there is no lesson. There’s no study showing that those large companies are THAT rigorously enforcing anything more than anyone else is. We still no very, very little about this virus and it’s transmission. Anyone who says otherwise is kidding themselves. Social distancing? Sure, why not? That’s obvious, but beyond that....not much!
Magox Posted August 4, 2020 Posted August 4, 2020 25 minutes ago, shoshin said: Sorry I haven't been here to check the work of the "data" put out by the Twitter mob. Looks like a bogus graphic or some seriously manipulated measurement. The data from TMC (the largest Houston hospital system--one of the largest in the world), which has a lot of data online and was pretty easy to find, looks more like what reasonable people would expect. Bed usage did increase exponentially and it's now on its way down. Their website slices this data a lot of ways but no matter how you look at it, it tells the same story. Let's stop pretending this virus is a nothingburger at the same time we stop pretending it's the end of the world. How about you stop pretending to know what you're talking about? All you do is parrot mainstream news, you lack any ability to critically think for yourself when it comes to COVID-19. 3
Taro T Posted August 4, 2020 Posted August 4, 2020 On 8/1/2020 at 8:35 PM, Doc Brown said: The true test will be if Finland and Norway do eventually have a similar death rate per capita then the Swedish model would've been the most prudent. If you look at the normal death rate in 2018 per 1,000 people Sweden (9.1) falls in between Norway (7.7) and Finland (9.9). Right now they have five times the death rate of Denmark and ten times the death rate of Norway from Covid. Sorry for delay in posting this, just saw your post now. Pretty sure that Sweden admits they should've done a better job protecting their elderly and they should've locked those high risk individuals down. But they could've done that better while leaving the rest of the nation open. Doubt those other countries end up at Sweden's death rate, but do expect they'll be far closer to it when all is said & done. And expect that for future pandemics the Sweden model with some tweaks to better protectively quarantine the elderly will be the model to follow. 2
Gary M Posted August 4, 2020 Posted August 4, 2020 12 hours ago, BillStime said: We are doing very well 159,000 Dead Americans - great job Trump Early estimates were 1.7 million dead, Trump saved 1.5 million people. https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/03/16/916661/coronavirus-covid-19-deaths-projections-united-states-italy/ FTA: Worst-case scenarios from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention say there could be 1.7 million deaths in the US, mostly among older people. 11 hours ago, Gene Frenkle said: You guys source from the most biased sites I've ever seen. Argue the material not the source please!!! 3 1
dubs Posted August 4, 2020 Posted August 4, 2020 http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2020/august/03/europeans-are-waking-up-to-government-covid-tyranny-why-are-we-still-asleep/ 11 hours ago, Gene Frenkle said: You guys source from the most biased sites I've ever seen. there’s nothing more biased than The NY Times, Washington Post, CNN and the rest of the Ministry of Truth. 2
Tiberius Posted August 4, 2020 Posted August 4, 2020 35 minutes ago, dubs said: http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2020/august/03/europeans-are-waking-up-to-government-covid-tyranny-why-are-we-still-asleep/ there’s nothing more biased than The NY Times, Washington Post, CNN and the rest of the Ministry of Truth. ? Ron Paul institute??? Ha ha ha! Do people sell sell you bottles of piss? I will, it’s good for you! ?
Gary M Posted August 4, 2020 Posted August 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: ? Ron Paul institute??? Ha ha ha! Do people sell sell you bottles of piss? I will, it’s good for you! ? You have no substantive argument. Arrogantly dismissing source to avoid any real discussion. 1
Tiberius Posted August 4, 2020 Posted August 4, 2020 Just now, Gary M said: You have no substantive argument. Arrogantly dismissing source to avoid any real discussion. Ron Paul is a quack. If you are listening to him you are just being manipulated.
Gary M Posted August 4, 2020 Posted August 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Ron Paul is a quack. If you are listening to him you are just being manipulated. That's your opinion. You have no substantive argument. Arrogantly dismissing source to avoid any real discussion. 1
Tiberius Posted August 4, 2020 Posted August 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Gary M said: That's your opinion. You have no substantive argument. Arrogantly dismissing source to avoid any real discussion. Just pointing out that the source is very unreliable. Hey, I really wish—oh just part of me—that Ron Paul people had their own country to go to that had almost no government. Good bye to them! They would live nasty, brutish and short lives. Their choice!
plenzmd1 Posted August 4, 2020 Posted August 4, 2020 @BillStime, i saw that Axios interview and came away with two distinct impressions 1) Trump found it hard to pivot from his prepared talking point, no doubt. Scary, i agree 2) Trump should have jumped all over the "death rate as a percentage of population" thing...if we could get people to focus on that most of this hysteria of the virus would disappear. If as everyone believes we are handling the "crisis" worse than anyone out there, and after 6 months we the below calculation as the 'death rate"...wtf are we doing? S0 4/10ths of 1 percent.....and we have shut down the world...what in the hell are we doing? Do you think that is worth 10K kids dying a month of starvation? Millions of people losing their businesses and life savings? Kids losing substantial portions of youth experiences? This is insane 2 2
GG Posted August 4, 2020 Posted August 4, 2020 2 hours ago, shoshin said: Sorry I haven't been here to check the work of the "data" put out by the Twitter mob. Looks like a bogus graphic or some seriously manipulated measurement. The data from TMC (the largest Houston hospital system--one of the largest in the world), which has a lot of data online and was pretty easy to find, looks more like what reasonable people would expect. Bed usage did increase exponentially and it's now on its way down. Their website slices this data a lot of ways but no matter how you look at it, it tells the same story. Let's stop pretending this virus is a nothingburger at the same time we stop pretending it's the end of the world. Speaking of manipulating the data …. That's a scary looking graph, and the mayor would have been correct if he issued that warning in the beginning of June and not July. There was NO significant spike two weeks after Turner went on the air in July. Try harder.
shoshin Posted August 4, 2020 Posted August 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, GG said: Speaking of manipulating the data …. That's a scary looking graph, and the mayor would have been correct if he issued that warning in the beginning of June and not July. There was NO significant spike two weeks after Turner went on the air in July. Try harder. Did you read the statement by the mayor and look at the graph. On July 5, the mayor of Houston said "The number of people in our ICU beds has exponentially increased..." according to that Tweet. On July 5, that was correct. And...the graph that they guy tweeted was massively misleading.
Magox Posted August 4, 2020 Posted August 4, 2020 27 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: @BillStime, i saw that Axios interview and came away with two distinct impressions 1) Trump found it hard to pivot from his prepared talking point, no doubt. Scary, i agree 2) Trump should have jumped all over the "death rate as a percentage of population" thing...if we could get people to focus on that most of this hysteria of the virus would disappear. If as everyone believes we are handling the "crisis" worse than anyone out there, and after 6 months we the below calculation as the 'death rate"...wtf are we doing? S0 4/10ths of 1 percent.....and we have shut down the world...what in the hell are we doing? Do you think that is worth 10K kids dying a month of starvation? Millions of people losing their businesses and life savings? Kids losing substantial portions of youth experiences? This is insane That's one of Trump's problems. He doesn't get into the weeds, frankly he doesn't understand it. He sees things from a very visceral point of view, he tends to have good instincts but when pressed to discuss in depth on a granular level, he's unable to do so. Even though Cuomo made some horrendous decisions that actually cost people lives, he was able to at least pretend to show empathy and explain things on a very detailed level. It provided comfort to people, it demonstrated that he at least appeared to know what he was talking about. Trump on the other hand looked oafish, appeared to have no mastery of the underlying topic. And his answer on John Lewis showed pettiness. Then when asked about the deaths he said "it is what it is". Even though I agree with the sentiment in that the Virus is here and we have to do what we can, his answer showed no empathy. I understand that people on this board are ok with that and frankly it doesn't personally bother me one bit. But as someone who is rooting for him to win, I thought that interview highlighted a lot of his weaknesses. What are we gonna do? He is who he is. 2
shoshin Posted August 4, 2020 Posted August 4, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Magox said: How about you stop pretending to know what you're talking about? All you do is parrot mainstream news, you lack any ability to critically think for yourself when it comes to COVID-19. I cited the actual hospital data to rebut some Twitter clown you quoted. I didn't cite CNN, the NY Times, or whatever "mainstream news" you're associating with my post. You attacked me personally for using the actual data. Is that what you want for PPP? To not cite and debate the actual source data? Edited August 4, 2020 by shoshin
GG Posted August 4, 2020 Posted August 4, 2020 1 minute ago, shoshin said: Did you read the statement by the mayor and look at the graph. On July 5, the mayor of Houston said "The number of people in our ICU beds has exponentially increased..." according to that Tweet. On July 5, that was correct. And...the graph that they guy tweeted was massively misleading. The point was that as of July 5th, the scare story was that Houston is about to be overwhelmed, with the apocalypse coming within two weeks. Showing the exponential rise from May is totally misleading, since the point of the criticism is that MSM doesn't go back to follow up on the initial fear porn stories. Houston was not overwhelmed, and if you show a graph from July 5 to today, that graph will look like the one Magox linked.
Magox Posted August 4, 2020 Posted August 4, 2020 1 minute ago, GG said: The point was that as of July 5th, the scare story was that Houston is about to be overwhelmed, with the apocalypse coming within two weeks. Showing the exponential rise from May is totally misleading, since the point of the criticism is that MSM doesn't go back to follow up on the initial fear porn stories. Houston was not overwhelmed, and if you show a graph from July 5 to today, that graph will look like the one Magox linked. Don't bother, he doesn't do nuance. He parrots mainstream analysis.
dubs Posted August 4, 2020 Posted August 4, 2020 57 minutes ago, Tiberius said: ? Ron Paul institute??? Ha ha ha! Do people sell sell you bottles of piss? I will, it’s good for you! ? "Do people sell sell you...?" What what the the heck heck does does that that mean mean? You really have the cognitive ability of rock. If you can point to anything Ron Paul wrote in that article and offer up a coherent argument against, then maybe someone will take you seriously. Until then, you are just part of the hysterical clan of nitwits who can't articulate an argument and instead just post the Marxist propaganda of the day.
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