The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[GaryPinC]

46 minutes ago, GG said:

 

It's as if a virus wants to do viral things.

 

The most important news from Australian outbreak is that the cases are growing in Victoria state Melbourne), which was largely spared in the first wave, which hit New South Wales (Sydney). There is a slight uptick in New South Wales cases, but nowhere near the April levels.  If there was a true resurgence of COVID in Australia, Sydney would get hit as badly as Melbourne.   But it's not ...

 

That critical piece of information is missing from nearly all press accounts, and what leads many morons to simply parrot country wide data, without regard to the particulars of a given country's geography and where the "resurgences" are happening.

 

That's why you have people in NY tristate still cowering in fear, despite overwhelming evidence that the virus isn't a huge threat in that region.

 

 

Look, I get your point, but there's going to be outbreaks in New York also, nearly everywhere unless we get, as Magox says, draconian about it.   Certainly previous exposure (innate immunity) will play an as-yet-unquantified role but it's up to everyone to do their best to follow guidelines to limit the outbreak.  You're comparing Sydney to Melbourne today?  It could completely flip in a week, who knows?

[WEATHER DOT COM]

2 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Makes you wonder if there's an alterior motive?

 

No, but there might be an ulterior one. 

[BillStime]

Yup - no doubt. Just like he said he would definitely release his taxes. 

 

 

[GaryPinC]

19 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

Baselines matter.  That's why every time I'd hear people say we could "increased testing, wear masks and contact tracing" and believe that this would be the solution to "get things under control" when the outbreak was already in place is laughable.  It's as if they have zero common sense. 

 

Masks work on the margins.  Increased testing helps you recognize who is and isn't positive at that moment.  Contact tracing helps recognize some others who are positive.

 

These tools while marginally helpful are fractional in their overall efficacy when you have tens of thousands of infected people in a particular area.   

 

Yet, the media and their gullible viewers keep parroting these things over and over despite all the data and evidence that points to the contrary.

 

 

You're certainly right about most everything except the laughable part.  You keep at the efforts to control it until you get control then really need to use contact tracing to keep it under control.  But even then people need to take the prevention steps.  The baseline can come down, isolation and these other measures help that.

[GG]

1 minute ago, GaryPinC said:

Look, I get your point, but there's going to be outbreaks in New York also, nearly everywhere unless we get, as Magox says, draconian about it.   Certainly previous exposure (innate immunity) will play an as-yet-unquantified role but it's up to everyone to do their best to follow guidelines to limit the outbreak.  You're comparing Sydney to Melbourne today?  It could completely flip in a week, who knows?

 

Yes comparing Sydney to Melbourne is important because it shows the increasing spread in a region that didn't get hit before.  That repeats the pattern of another diverse and geographically huge country.

 

Of course cases can rise, but from my vantage point, NY has been out of lockdown for 2 months, you have thousands of kids getting hammered nightly and then bringing whatever virus home to their high risk parents, and there's been no meaningful increase in cases.  Never mind the hundreds of thousands that have been out protesting in 2 months.  And of course my favorite petri dish, the Hasids of Williamsburg.  Why did they stop dropping like flies in mid-April.

 

You seem to be reasonably educated on this virus.  Please tell me of a theory on why cases aren't rising in the world's biggest hotspot, despite the loose behavior?

[WEATHER DOT COM]

1 minute ago, GG said:

 

Please tell me of a theory on why cases aren't rising in the world's biggest hotspot, despite the loose behavior?

 

A statewide effort to keep those from other states out of NY, social distancing, contract tracing, and mandatory masks in indoor venues

 

 

 

[BillStime]

Remember when Trump implied heath care workers were stealing their masks?  Yeah that was cute.

 

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[GG]

1 minute ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

A statewide effort to keep those from other states out of NY, social distancing, contract tracing, and mandatory masks in indoor venues

 

 

 

 

And none of that is happening in NYC.

 

Thanks for the daily confirmation.

[WEATHER DOT COM]

Just now, GG said:

 

And none of that is happening in NYC.

 

Thanks for the daily confirmation.

 

None of it? Did NYC airports stop tracking visitors from out of state? Did tracers stop calling those who get Covid 19 in NYC?

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[GG]

4 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

None of it? Did NYC airports stop tracking visitors from out of state? Did tracers stop calling those who get Covid 19 in NYC?

 

Yeah, let's worry about the 50 passengers who arrive at the airports and ignore the million who cross the bridges and tunnels by car.

 

please enlighten me of the army of tracers that are working in Astoria and Lower East side every night. 

 

Moron.  

Edited July 27, 2020 by GG

[WEATHER DOT COM]

Just now, GG said:

 

Yeah, let's worry about the 50 passengers who arrive at the airports and ignore the million who cross the bridges and tunnels by car.

 

Moron.  

 

More people enter NYS through airports than by car.

 

Also a majority of those entering via bridge and tunnel are from CT and NJ - two states that have huddled with NY in response to the virus.

 

Genius.

[GaryPinC]

6 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Yes comparing Sydney to Melbourne is important because it shows the increasing spread in a region that didn't get hit before.  That repeats the pattern of another diverse and geographically huge country.

 

Of course cases can rise, but from my vantage point, NY has been out of lockdown for 2 months, you have thousands of kids getting hammered nightly and then bringing whatever virus home to their high risk parents, and there's been no meaningful increase in cases.  Never mind the hundreds of thousands that have been out protesting in 2 months.  And of course my favorite petri dish, the Hasids of Williamsburg.  Why did they stop dropping like flies in mid-April.

 

You seem to be reasonably educated on this virus.  Please tell me of a theory on why cases aren't rising in the world's biggest hotspot, despite the loose behavior?

LOL, forgive my midwestern ignorance but what is the Hasids of Williamsburg?

 

The rest?  And these are only educated guesses.  Incidence in NY is very low right now.  If, loose behavior is as rampant as you describe, then the virus will come back up.  As I said, we still don't know enough about long term immunity from this virus so it's certainly very possible that is tamping it down right now.  Will it be long lasting?  Maybe NYC will teach us then.

BTW, I was up at Chautauqua 2 weeks ago.  NY still has a lot of restrictions that help.

 

This is a novel virus.  It is highly infectious.  Yes, the numbers tell us only a small percent of the population will have problems with it.  But I don't want to have those kinds of problems nor to I want to be careless and inflict them on someone else.  I go out to eat at bar/restaurants that are operating responsibly and am out doing my part to support responsible businesses.  

[GG]

1 minute ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

More people enter NYS through airports than by car.

 

Also a majority of those entering via bridge and tunnel are from CT and NJ - two states that have huddled with NY in response to the virus.

 

Genius.

 

Air travel is down 90%.  there are still thousands non-tristate vehicles entering NYC daily.

 

If your theory is correct, it doesn't matter where the virus comes from.  Yet, if NJ & CT huddled with NY and there's no increase in cases despite tristate being wide open to them, what does that say about a viral resurgence?

[RiotAct]

1 hour ago, Gary M said:

 

DEJA VU

 

I could swear I heard those same lines when NY started to decline in numbers.

I know.  I’m just sayin... I feel like those states have had drops on the past only to spike up again

[WEATHER DOT COM]

1 minute ago, GG said:

If your theory is correct, it doesn't matter where the virus comes from.  Yet, if NJ & CT huddled with NY and there's no increase in cases despite tristate being wide open to them, what does that say about a viral resurgence?

 

uh

 

14 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

A tri-state effort to keep those from other states out of MA/CT/NY, social distancing, contract tracing, and mandatory masks in indoor venues

 

 

Fixed it so you can comprehend

 

Although I probably have alterior motives with you.

[BillsFanNC]

Trump just down the road from me as we speak at FujiFilm Diosynth with a covid vaccine update.

 

https://abc11.com/politics/watch-live-president-trump-makes-1st-visit-to-nc-since-march/6336407/

[BillStime]

Per WorldMeters - We have just passed another grim milestone:
 

150,000 Americans have died in less than five months
 

Congrats Trump voters - you are indeed a death cult.

[GG]

2 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

LOL, forgive my midwestern ignorance but what is the Hasids of Williamsburg?

 

The rest?  And these are only educated guesses.  Incidence in NY is very low right now.  If, loose behavior is as rampant as you describe, then the virus will come back up.  As I said, we still don't know enough about long term immunity from this virus so it's certainly very possible that is tamping it down right now.  Will it be long lasting?  Maybe NYC will teach us then.

BTW, I was up at Chautauqua 2 weeks ago.  NY still has a lot of restrictions that help.

 

This is a novel virus.  It is highly infectious.  Yes, the numbers tell us only a small percent of the population will have problems with it.  But I don't want to have those kinds of problems nor to I want to be careless and inflict them on someone else.  I go out to eat at bar/restaurants that are operating responsibly and am out doing my part to support responsible businesses.  

 

The Hasids are an old world insular sect of Judaism that's concentrated in Williamsburg (Brooklyn).  It's a very close knit community that still thinks it's 19th century Hungary.  Given their lifestyle and housing arrangements, this virus should have wiped them out.  Yet despite the high early cases, and the Nazi mayor's best efforts, they remain very much alive.

 

NY kids have flouted all social distancing rules ever since the bars started curbside orders.  No social distancing, no masks. 

 

It's been proven that the prevalence of the spread is in the home, and that's why the worst hit neighborhoods were the ones with the largest household sizes (not poverty).  Therefore, if the virus was still lingering in NY, there would have been a massive resurgence starting in mid-June. 

9 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

uh

 

 

 

Fixed it so you can comprehend

 

Although I probably have alterior motives with you.

 

None of that is happening in any scale in tristate, no matter what you think.

[Gary M]

7 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Per WorldMeters - We have just passed another grim milestone:
 

150,000 Americans have died in less than five months
 

Thanks China

 

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