shoshin Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, Gary M said: I'm think when they hit the same numbers percentage wise as NY in number of cases, their deaths will be lower because well Cuomo killed grandma. Cuomo's challenge was threefold: (1) No place is like NYC in all of America, (2) We sucked at treatment, and (3) We sucked at prevention. Every other state should do better than NY. We could have all done much, much better, but we didn't take prevention seriously and now just are watching it spread. 1
Magox Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 (edited) Uhhhh Cuomo had problems of his own making. His Nursing home policies killed thousands and god knows how many people were infected that brought it back into their homes through the MTA. That is a perfect place for transmission of the virus, people sit next to each other for extended periods of time. Hell, they weren't even sanitizing the transportation system nearly as much as they should have been. Edited July 23, 2020 by Magox 1 1
Gary M Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 2 hours ago, shoshin said: So what you're saying is that defeating the virus comes down to eating more kale and living the Robb Wolf diet? You seem a little unhinged brother. There is no defeating it, there is only reducing the negative impact (remember slow the spread,) the virus actually defeats itself by infecting people and either killing them or making them immune. The idea that cuomo or POTUS or any other politician can mandate this virus away is the real lie. 1
shoshin Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Magox said: Uhhhh Cuomo had problems of his own making. His Nursing home policies killed thousands and god knows how many people were infected that brought it back into their homes through the MTA. That is a perfect place for transmission of the virus, people sit next to each other for extended periods of time. Hell, they weren't even sanitizing the transportation system nearly as much as they should have been. Everyone got a lot of lessons learned from what happened in NYS. Cuomo made bad decisions. Others learned from them (in some places...masks have been a loooooooong lesson to teach.). There was not much criticism here about Cumo's decisions in the moment he was making them. Just saying. Anyone can Monday morning QB. 1
Gary M Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, shoshin said: Cuomo's challenge was threefold: (1) No place is like NYC in all of America, (2) We sucked at treatment, and (3) We sucked at prevention. Every other state should do better than NY. We could have all done much, much better, but we didn't take prevention seriously and now just are watching it spread. BS look at the numbers, cases surged after the shut down. The virus was already here and spreading. Because they thought if you got it you died they didn't test asymptomatic people we didn't know how far spread it was. 1
shoshin Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Gary M said: There is no defeating it, there is only reducing the negative impact (remember slow the spread,) the virus actually defeats itself by infecting people and either killing them or making them immune. The idea that cuomo or POTUS or any other politician can mandate this virus away is the real lie. Our behavior can beat it pretty well do. Imagine if we had someone who could unite us against a virus. Not even a political opponent!
Gary M Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 Just now, shoshin said: Our behavior can beat it pretty well do. Imagine if we had someone who could unite us against a virus. Not even a political opponent! ahh the human superiority complex, man cannot beat nature. 1 1
shoshin Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 Just now, Gary M said: BS look at the numbers, cases surged after the shut down. The virus was already here and spreading. Because they thought if you got it you died they didn't test asymptomatic people we didn't know how far spread it was. What point are you trying to make? Do you not recall how little capacity there was for testing at the beginning? How little we knew about outcomes? How little we knew about spread? How little we knew about fatality? Just now, Gary M said: ahh the human superiority complex, man cannot beat nature. Norway would like you to look at their Covid numbers.
Gary M Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 Just now, shoshin said: What point are you trying to make? Do you not recall how little capacity there was for testing at the beginning? How little we knew about outcomes? How little we knew about spread? How little we knew about fatality? Exactly Decisions (mostly bad) were made with bad/little/no information. 1
bilzfancy Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, shoshin said: What point are you trying to make? Do you not recall how little capacity there was for testing at the beginning? How little we knew about outcomes? How little we knew about spread? How little we knew about fatality? Norway would like you to look at their Covid numbers. I could be mistaken but didn't the Scandinavian countries keep their schools open? 1
shoshin Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, bilzfancy said: I could be mistaken but didn't the Scandinavian countries keep their schools open? Yup. As we should too, even while we're F-ing up our response. But look what you can do when you work smart and united instead of dumb and divided. 8 minutes ago, Gary M said: Exactly Decisions (mostly bad) were made with bad/little/no information. It was a tough time really. I have been against almost all the extended shutdowns (except for NYC or anyplace the hospitals get bombed out) but the first one for 2-3 weeks while we assessed made the most sense. NYC was reeling. Edited July 23, 2020 by shoshin
WEATHER DOT COM Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 (edited) From what I recall many businesses shut down in NYS and across the country before the county-wide shutdowns even began. Edited July 23, 2020 by wAcKy ZeBrA
Cinga Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, shoshin said: 9 minutes ago, bilzfancy said: I could be mistaken but didn't the Scandinavian countries keep their schools open? Yup. As we should too, even while we're F-ing up our response. Look what you can do when you work smart and united instead of dumb and divided. Nor did they require a mask, leaving it up to the individual instead. What an ironic twist of freedom from a socialist nation huh? 4
GG Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 13 minutes ago, shoshin said: What point are you trying to make? Do you not recall how little capacity there was for testing at the beginning? How little we knew about outcomes? How little we knew about spread? How little we knew about fatality? Norway would like you to look at their Covid numbers. You're back to testing? What was increased testing going to do with a virus that was fully established in NYC for about a month? 1
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 On 5/20/2020 at 2:04 PM, Chef Jim said: The unidentified staffer told her managers at Tula Regional Clinical Hospital that she was “too hot” No such thing. On 5/20/2020 at 2:35 PM, Joe Miner said: You won't get that kind of treatment with Obamacare. Thanks a lot Obama. On 5/20/2020 at 2:40 PM, Jon in Pasadena said: Where's the pics of her getting disciplined? (Asking for a friend.) On 5/20/2020 at 2:41 PM, keepthefaith said: She probably saved a few old dudes. No way you'd go ahead and die if you knew she'd be back to take your temperature. On 5/21/2020 at 7:01 AM, Gary M said: yep https://nypost.com/2020/07/23/too-hot-covid-19-nurse-lands-tv-spot-as-weather-forecaster/ 1 1
Buffalo_Gal Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 Because lawmakers, judges, and federal employees are immune from COVID-19? 2
Magox Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 33 minutes ago, shoshin said: Everyone got a lot of lessons learned from what happened in NYS. Cuomo made bad decisions. Others learned from them (in some places...masks have been a loooooooong lesson to teach.). There was not much criticism here about Cumo's decisions in the moment he was making them. Just saying. Anyone can Monday morning QB. It's not Monday Morning QB'ing when his peers in Florida, Georgia, Texas and other states didn't have that policy that resulted in a much better end result. The MTA was obvious from the very beginning and had lots of criticism, I criticized it myself while it was happening on this board countless times. Let's just be real here, Cuomo mishandled the virus worse than any other governor in the country, the numbers bear that out. I know you aren't a believer in data and tend to follow mainstream news analysis, but you're off once again. 2
3rdnlng Posted July 23, 2020 Posted July 23, 2020 One thing that I haven't seen taken into consideration is the cultural propensity for travel within a country or region. Is it possible that in countries in which their citizens are not prone to travel much that the spreading of the virus is substantially curtailed? I wonder if there have been any travel studies done in certain countries and how that would coincide with the amount of infections. Just a thought.
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