shoshin Posted July 17, 2020 Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: If someone magic were able to accurately predict that we'd have an effective vaccine, but it wouldn't be available widely until Jan 1, 2023, what would you recommend be done? Asked and answered, and who would care about what I recommend anyways? Edited July 17, 2020 by shoshin
Magox Posted July 17, 2020 Posted July 17, 2020 59 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I have no doubt that this is going on and I wouldn't be surprised that it is not a statistically insignificant number. Just think about it, it's common sense. If you have over half the deaths from COVID of people that are in nursing homes and were essentially in their last few months and the reason they were going to die was of something else and they just happened to contract COVID during that time period, is that truly a COVID related death? It shouldn't be. I wouldn't be surprised that in years past if someone in a nursing home died and they happened to catch the flu that their death in many cases weren't considered flu related deaths. At this point, there is no way to fix that without appearing to be doctoring the numbers. This would be an abject failure of reporting data, because the data helps craft policy and if you aren't getting good data, you aren't going to get good policy. 1
B-Man Posted July 17, 2020 Posted July 17, 2020 Florida health official says person in 20s listed as COVID-19 fatality had no underlying conditions, also ‘he died in a motorcycle accident’ Sources inside Trump admin confirm CDC misreporting COVID data to inflate the numbers
Magox Posted July 17, 2020 Posted July 17, 2020 15 minutes ago, B-Man said: Florida health official says person in 20s listed as COVID-19 fatality had no underlying conditions, also ‘he died in a motorcycle accident’ Sources inside Trump admin confirm CDC misreporting COVID data to inflate the numbers If this is the case, this needs to be highlighted. It's a legitimate thing to report, it goes back to data integrity.
shoshin Posted July 17, 2020 Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) Florida data through today. Fatalities on the sharp rise. Hospitalizations can't tell for sure if there's any break coming. The Florida hospital capacity seems bad but there does not yet seem to be a good one-stop source. I'm not sure why. Edited July 17, 2020 by shoshin 1
B-Man Posted July 17, 2020 Posted July 17, 2020 At the cost of citizens losing their jobs, livelihoods and education. 1 1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 17, 2020 Posted July 17, 2020 19 minutes ago, B-Man said: At the cost of citizens losing their jobs, livelihoods and education. ..which is the Master Plan......the Dems will "rescue" them in exchange for votes...……. 1
KD in CA Posted July 17, 2020 Posted July 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said: If (a bit over) 8K people die daily in the US, and 1K die from COVID-19 right now, are 9K people dying daily? Or the same 8K just from a different cause? (I looked and looked and could not find any numbers for that.) Yes there are all kinds of 'excess mortality' stats out there, but it seems like the data is wildly inconsistent.
bilzfancy Posted July 17, 2020 Posted July 17, 2020 31 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ..which is the Master Plan......the Dems will "rescue" them in exchange for votes...……. Yep, we'll be told we need socialism so that everyone can be taken care of by the government. Government will take over education, health care, banking and anything else that people need or want 2
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted July 17, 2020 Posted July 17, 2020 Hopefully you are all doing your part: https://news.yahoo.com/new-study-people-drinking-unsafe-levels-more-frequently-coronavirus-pandemic-164339217.html
BillsFanNC Posted July 17, 2020 Posted July 17, 2020 47 minutes ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said: Hopefully you are all doing your part: https://news.yahoo.com/new-study-people-drinking-unsafe-levels-more-frequently-coronavirus-pandemic-164339217.html I wonder if keeping parents at home playing teacher this fall will correlate with this trend continuing?
123719bwiqrb Posted July 17, 2020 Posted July 17, 2020 50 minutes ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said: Hopefully you are all doing your part: https://news.yahoo.com/new-study-people-drinking-unsafe-levels-more-frequently-coronavirus-pandemic-164339217.html We've got time to study this, but we still do not know how to tally up dead people. I love epidemiologists, they are the best kind of -ologists. 1
TH3 Posted July 17, 2020 Posted July 17, 2020 5 hours ago, B-Man said: A FRIEND WHO LISTENS TO NPR REGULARLY PROVIDES THIS PRECIS OF A RECENT BROADCAST: Yesterday, NPR ran a segment about the scandalous decision of the Trump administration to change the Covid-related reporting that hospitals are now doing. What NPR reported: (1) Hospitals will now have to send data to the Trump administration, bypassing the CDC. (2) Interviewed a doctor who said that this is horrible! They are already stressed out and overwhelmed! Bad Trump! (3) Repeatedly said that the data collection will by done by a private company. Many times, in case you didn’t catch it. (3) Brief in passing mentioned that the head of the CDC said that this was a good move, increased efficiency and accuracy, and also that the CDC will have full access to all information. And also, data will not go to Trump, but to the Medicare division of the DHHS. No interview, no details, all very brief. (4) Interview with a midlevel manager from the CDC who used to run data collection and is now stripped of juicy bureaucratic office, so he goes on and on to complain how this is terrible. But never once, not once says why it is terrible. Just terrible, and all. What NPR did not report: (1) That hospitals already send their data to the DHHS, and also send it to the CDC, and the current reporting is a bureaucratic nightmare, which they hate. (2) Hospitals are happy to report to a single institution, with one streamlined procedure, so most are very happy about the new system. (3) There is no evidence that the “private subcontractor” in charge of data collection was not selected properly, or is not expected to do a good job, or that the government employees would have done a better job. News flash: government computers are also made by private companies, as is almost all software they use. Zero discussions of expected changes in the quality of reported data. (Can argue either way, but need someone who actually knows!). Zero discussions of cost savings for everyone involved, including hospitals. Zero discussions for whether this will cause any damage whatsoever to the CDC’s (or anyone’s) ability to use newly collected data. No expert on data collection or analysis interviewed or mentioned. Repeatedly: data will go “to Trump”, “bypassing the CDC”, and “private subcontractor”. And this concludes the reporting segment. Remember, they say they need taxpayer money and listener donations to support “quality journalism.” by Glenn Reynolds So actual reporting from NPR and conjecture from you 5 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Yesterday, Thursday, the same three large population southern states (CA, FL, TX) were all in low to mid triple digit Covid fatalities. Thirty states reported in single digits or zero....again. Still not sure what all of the hysteria is about. The death rate as a percentage of population in these states is a mere fraction of what it was in NY. The virus has simply moved to fertile ground and we’re apparently way better at dealing with it! Once again...it hasn’t spread! It moved. NY and other NE states are all way down. At least for now, the virus has passed in those areas. atta boy! 1
B-Man Posted July 17, 2020 Posted July 17, 2020 Just now, TH3 said: So actual reporting from NPR and conjecture from you Poor reading comprehension. Try again..............#1,#2,#3 from NPR are FALSE. and to you, that's actual reporting ? 1
TH3 Posted July 17, 2020 Posted July 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Magox said: I have no doubt that this is going on and I wouldn't be surprised that it is not a statistically insignificant number. Just think about it, it's common sense. If you have over half the deaths from COVID of people that are in nursing homes and were essentially in their last few months and the reason they were going to die was of something else and they just happened to contract COVID during that time period, is that truly a COVID related death? It shouldn't be. I wouldn't be surprised that in years past if someone in a nursing home died and they happened to catch the flu that their death in many cases weren't considered flu related deaths. At this point, there is no way to fix that without appearing to be doctoring the numbers. This would be an abject failure of reporting data, because the data helps craft policy and if you aren't getting good data, you aren't going to get good policy. Eff the olds!. and fats!...and diabetics! and people living their life just fine with some unfortunate comorbidity...they were gonna die anyway!!
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 17, 2020 Posted July 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: ...hmmm.....I'd say the 10-14 stat should be encouraging for some 'round these parts...………. 1
Penfield45 Posted July 17, 2020 Posted July 17, 2020 2 hours ago, B-Man said: At the cost of citizens losing their jobs, livelihoods and education. the president literally went on national television and called the virus a hoax, and also said we will be fine by Easter. Trump is doing everything bad to himself. stop acting like this is all a conspiracy against him. He could have been a national hero if he just followed the guidelines, sent out multiple stimulus checks and enforced mask use but he didn't. and this is why his team are in a free fall and will be sent packing in November to a guy who has dementia.
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