The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Magox]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m not a genius. I quote the data every day. If I blame the Trump administration for anything it’s in running away from this topic as it moved into the SW. They would be better served by addressing it again head on. America needs a refresher course in Covid 19 including guidelines that are as nimble as the virus is proving to be. The mistake was, and remains, treating the entire country as if the issue is the same everywhere...it’s wasn’t and it still isn’t! 

 

I agree, they need someone who is credible who can properly explain the risks....And those risks need to be explained over and over and over.

 

But they won't do that.   Trump wants to focus on the economy.   

 

Their communication strategy and the person at the top (Trump) are not meant for this sort of thing, which is to on one hand show empathy and on the other clearly explain things.

 

Instead they try to deflect, minimize things by citing half-baked reasoning and what you have is a public who doesn't approve of how he has handled the crisis.

 

 

[GG]

Lost in the idiot's ramblings are positive developments with the Moderna vaccine.

[SoCal Deek]

5 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

I agree, they need someone who is credible who can properly explain the risks....And those risks need to be explained over and over and over.

 

But they won't do that.   Trump wants to focus on the economy.   

 

Their communication strategy and the person at the top (Trump) are not meant for this sort of thing, which is to on one hand show empathy and on the other clearly explain things.

 

Instead they try to deflect, minimize things by citing half-baked reasoning and what you have is a public who doesn't approve of how he has handled the crisis.

 

 

I agree to a certain level, but I still believe he can get in front of it again. His personality is just not one to want to focus on the negative. Neither is mine. He’s got way more going on than to spend every day dealing with a virus. Unfortunately, the media is ‘all in’ on trying to bring him down and he’s conceded the narrative to them for the last couple of months. That mistake is on him. 

[GG]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I agree to a certain level, but I still believe he can get in front of it again. His personality is just not one to want to focus on the negative. Neither is mine. He’s got way more going on than to spend every day dealing with a virus. Unfortunately, the media is ‘all in’ on trying to bring him down and he’s conceded the narrative to them for the last couple of months. That mistake is on him. 

 

Yup.  He doesn't have a compassion gene and only operates on one speed in one direction.   At times like this, it's a huge detriment that he can't pivot.

[SoCal Deek]

5 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Yup.  He doesn't have a compassion gene and only operates on one speed in one direction.   At times like this, it's a huge detriment that he can't pivot.

There I would disagree. He’s as compassionate as the next guy....as am I. The difference is that both he and I choose to focus on the glass being 99% full, not 1% empty....and that’s the detriment during a pandemic. I was watching the news and EVERY SINGLE TIME a reporter talks about the good news of reduced fatalities they’re obligated to preface their comments with ‘of course every death is a tragedy’...no sh$t! And there’s the difference in a nutshell. You either focus on the victims or the survivors. Trump, like me, focuses on the survivors. 

[spartacus]

43 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Yesterday, Tuesday, three states (CA, FL, TX) reported triple digit deaths from Covid 19. Thirty states were in single digits or reported zero fatalities. NY state registered 17 deaths, down from close 1,000 at the height of the pandemic. The media continues to fan the flames of hysteria, but in reality this thing has simply moved (not spread) to a new part of the country. And even with that move into fertile territory the death toll in the south and west is less than 10% per capita of what we saw in the NY metro area in the spring. 

 

death rate in Florida at or below 1%

no problem in hospitals

 

[Magox]

5 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Yup.  He doesn't have a compassion gene and only operates on one speed in one direction.   At times like this, it's a huge detriment that he can't pivot.

 

I look back at the George Floyd and CoronaVirus early response from a PR and communication level and they should have been easy layups. 

 

Show empathy, pretend to be a human and then take care of business with rule of law and the COVID response.   Rather than that, he shows very little empathy, everything always circles back to him and he gets in these infantile squabbles with people who aren't important.  It's ok for that schtick with his base during times when the economy and things are going well, it's another when times of crisis are occurring. 

 

He still has time to turn this around, he just has to have a laser focus on his campaign and stop getting sucked in to these stupid skirmishes with people who are of no significance and stop with that stupid damn tweets.  Not to say don't tweet, but only tweet things that advance his agenda.

 

I'm still going to vote for him because the elections are that important and he, the senate and the courts are the last checks against this Maoist cultural revolution. 

 

 

[GG]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

There I would disagree. He’s as compassionate as the next guy....as am I. The difference is that both he and I choose to focus on the glass being 99% full, not 1% empty....and that’s the detriment during a pandemic. I was watching the news and EVERY SINGLE TIME a reporter talks about the good news of reduced fatalities they’re obligated to preface their comments with ‘of course every death is a tragedy’...no sh$t! And there’s the difference in a nutshell. You either focus on the victims or the survivors. Trump, like me, focuses on the survivors. 

 

To clarify, he's missing a public compassion gene, which is natural for nearly all politicians.  that's what makes it so easy for the media to hammer him.

 

Magox explained it well, above.

[SoCal Deek]

35 minutes ago, GG said:

 

To clarify, he's missing a public compassion gene, which is natural for nearly all politicians.  that's what makes it so easy for the media to hammer him.

 

Magox explained it well, above.

Agree...and I already applauded Magox for his summation 

[shoshin]

4 hours ago, fansince88 said:

I have a hard time reading you. Are you more of a I dont like Trump but will give him honor due him when he is right guy?

 

Does it matter for some reason? Take the issues as they come and stay out of the preset uniforms.

 

1 hour ago, Magox said:

This issue of hospitalization data filtering through HHS rather than CDC to streamline their process most likely has a tinge of truth to it.   But I also believe it is their frustration along with Dr. Birx with the CDC.  I don't believe they are happy with how they assess the data and truth be told they have reason to be skeptical.  With that said, I also believe so that they want to have more control of the narrative and having the data allows them some more control.

 

It's July 15. It's embarrassingly late to take any action, and bypassing the CDC seems a lot like spite. 

 

And yes, it's valuable and I hope, transparent, especially by region. You and I have noted many times how awful the hospitalization data is. 

Edited July 15, 2020 by shoshin

[Cinga]

49 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

I look back at the George Floyd and CoronaVirus early response from a PR and communication level and they should have been easy layups. 

 

Show empathy, pretend to be a human and then take care of business with rule of law and the COVID response.   Rather than that, he shows very little empathy, everything always circles back to him and he gets in these infantile squabbles with people who aren't important.  It's ok for that schtick with his base during times when the economy and things are going well, it's another when times of crisis are occurring. 

 

He still has time to turn this around, he just has to have a laser focus on his campaign and stop getting sucked in to these stupid skirmishes with people who are of no significance and stop with that stupid damn tweets.  Not to say don't tweet, but only tweet things that advance his agenda.

 

I'm still going to vote for him because the elections are that important and he, the senate and the courts are the last checks against this Maoist cultural revolution. 

 

 

 

While I agree with the empathy or as GG says, his "public compassion gene" and the childish squabbles. However, it's the very fact that he does fight back that keeps so many in his corner.

Remember during W Bush, he was called literally every name in the book, and accused of almost everything short of colluding with Satan. And never once did he punch back, not even criticizing a scuff on Pelosi or Reid's shoes! Hell, he was so lacking controversy I think he only ever vetoed ONE BILL! Then Obama came along as a POTUS who had the best opportunity EVER to unite the country, only to tear it apart even more and fanning the flames.

 

Look, we all know Trump isn't nearly as conservative as most of us prefer. His opponents haven't only called him every name in the book, but they have tried everything they could (so far) against him including impeachment and he keeps fighting back. He doesn't take the crap they dish at him and it's this that makes most of America like him so much.

[BillStime]

 

[GG]

3 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

 

 

The virus isn't transmitted person to person.  There's no concern about going out and enjoying yourself.  You don't need to wear masks. 

 

That Dr. Fauci?

[shoshin]

1 minute ago, GG said:

 

The virus isn't transmitted person to person.  There's no concern about going out and enjoying yourself.  You don't need to wear masks. 

 

That Dr. Fauci?

 

If the election has got Dr. Fauci as a centerpiece issue, Trump should pack his bags now. And all those statements you just noted were coming from the administration too, including the last one on masks being such a consistent message that it was huge news that the President wore a mask to a hospital (!) last weekend.  

[Big Blitz]

“We should always evaluate the risks and benefits of efforts to control the virus,” Jennifer Nuzzo, a Johns Hopkins epidemiologist, tweeted on Tuesday. “In this moment the public health risks of not protesting to demand an end to systemic racism greatly exceed the harms of the virus.”

 

“The injustice that’s evident to everyone right now needs to be addressed,” Abraar Karan, a Brigham and Women’s Hospital physician who’s exhorted coronavirus experts to amplify the protests' anti-racist message, told me. "While I have voiced concerns that protests risk creating more outbreaks, the status quo wasn’t going to stop #covid19 either," he wrote on Twitter this week.

 

It’s a message echoed by media outlets and some of the most prominent public health experts in America, like former Centers for Disease Control and Prevention director Tom Frieden, who loudly warned against efforts to rush reopening but is now supportive of mass protests. 

 

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/06/04/public-health-protests-301534

 

 

 

Never forget.  

 

They said (THE FORMER HEAD OF THE CDC, epidemiologists, and physicians) that systemic racism is a bigger threat than COVID

 

The CDC is who we should be listening to....and all the experts!!!

 

 

 

These people can all go bleep themselves.  

 

Edited July 15, 2020 by Big Blitz

[Magox]

1 hour ago, Cinga said:

 

While I agree with the empathy or as GG says, his "public compassion gene" and the childish squabbles. However, it's the very fact that he does fight back that keeps so many in his corner.

Remember during W Bush, he was called literally every name in the book, and accused of almost everything short of colluding with Satan. And never once did he punch back, not even criticizing a scuff on Pelosi or Reid's shoes! Hell, he was so lacking controversy I think he only ever vetoed ONE BILL! Then Obama came along as a POTUS who had the best opportunity EVER to unite the country, only to tear it apart even more and fanning the flames.

 

Look, we all know Trump isn't nearly as conservative as most of us prefer. His opponents haven't only called him every name in the book, but they have tried everything they could (so far) against him including impeachment and he keeps fighting back. He doesn't take the crap they dish at him and it's this that makes most of America like him so much.

 

I agree.   Just needs to channel his focus.

[Big Blitz]

An open letter signed by over 1200 public health officials, infections disease professionals:

 

Yet many say the protests are worth the risk of a possible Covid-19 surge, including hundreds of public health workers who signed an open letter this week that sought to distinguish the new anti-racist protests “from the response to white protesters resisting stay-home orders.”

 

 

Those protests against stay-at-home orders “not only oppose public health interventions, but are also rooted in white nationalism and run contrary to respect for Black lives,” according to the letter’s nearly 1,300 signatories. “Protests against systemic racism, which fosters the disproportionate burden of COVID-19 on Black communities and also perpetuates police violence, must be supported.”

 

“Staying at home, social distancing, and public masking are effective at minimizing the spread of COVID-19,” the letter signers add. “However, as public health advocates, we do not condemn these gatherings as risky for COVID-19 transmission.”

 

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/06/04/public-health-protests-301534

 

 

The Left destroys literally everything it touches.  

 

Including science.  But we're supposed to take their climate change hysteria seriously going forward.  Lol.  

 

 

[BillStime]

16 minutes ago, GG said:

 

The virus isn't transmitted person to person.  There's no concern about going out and enjoying yourself.  You don't need to wear masks. 

 

That Dr. Fauci?

 

Let's see - you really think Trump didn't override Fauci at every step throughout the process?

 

Why would Fauci tell you not to wear masks? 

• Could it be because there was ALREADY a shortage of masks? 
• Could it be because Trump didn't want to wear a mask?

Heaven freakn forbid you take a holistic approach about what lead us to this MASSIVE unpreparedness and mess.

 

What did Trump do? Destroy our pandemic infrastructure, ignore his intelligence and advisors and DENY.

 

 

When it comes to the TRUMP admin and his CULT - why is it ALWAYS SOMEONE ELSE'S FAULT?

WHO THE F IS THE POTUS?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

Back to the thread  .............Adults

 

 

WELL, IF THE EXPERTS HADN’T BEEN REPEATEDLY DISHONEST AND WRONG, MAYBE THE PUBLIC WOULDN’T HAVE TUNED THEM OUT: 

 

Public’s disconnect from COVID-19 reality worries experts. 

 

It’s not good that people are acting this way, but it’s not surprising either, and at this point it’s mostly the experts’ own fault.

 

The mask lie alone was deadly to their credibility, and the protest double-standard doubly so.

 

 

 

Related: Anthony Fauci has been wrong about everything I have interacted with him on: Peter Navarro.

 

 

Also: Carefree Mis-Reporting of Virus Deaths From Alarmist Media.

 

 

 

UPDATE: Yep:

 

 

 

 

 

[snafu]

3 hours ago, Magox said:

 

I look back at the George Floyd and CoronaVirus early response from a PR and communication level and they should have been easy layups. 

 

Show empathy, pretend to be a human and then take care of business with rule of law and the COVID response.   Rather than that, he shows very little empathy, everything always circles back to him and he gets in these infantile squabbles with people who aren't important.  It's ok for that schtick with his base during times when the economy and things are going well, it's another when times of crisis are occurring. 

 

He still has time to turn this around, he just has to have a laser focus on his campaign and stop getting sucked in to these stupid skirmishes with people who are of no significance and stop with that stupid damn tweets.  Not to say don't tweet, but only tweet things that advance his agenda.

 

I'm still going to vote for him because the elections are that important and he, the senate and the courts are the last checks against this Maoist cultural revolution. 

 

 

 

Shut up, Trumptard...

Oh, wait.