GaryPinC Posted Thursday at 04:39 PM Posted Thursday at 04:39 PM On 2/19/2025 at 7:32 AM, Doc said: No, that Biden failed in his campaign promise to "shut down the virus" and that it was going to ravage the US no matter who was in Office. I said that in 2020 and Biden proved me correct. Ok, so what? Anyone with a reasonable scientific/medical mind knew that. How is your point that Trump didn't have the vaccine while Biden did relevant to this? Trump would have also "failed" similarly if he had been president in 2021. I would say Biden's political promise was based on two things: pushing vaccination as quickly as he could with the general population and the fact that the mRNA vaccines had been proven to be hugely effective against the beta version of Covid at the time in clinical trials. That's why health officials were quoting 100%, fully stop transmission, etc. So for a non-scientific, questionable mental-acuity president who listened to his over-speaking health officials, I feel like he made a legit good effort to achieve this promise but essentially the vaccine wasn't as great as his health officials were proclaiming. Plus Omicron was first identified in the fall of 2021, has dominated since, and the vaccines have never been as effective against it as they were beta. WRT mass vaccination, the vaccines became available mid-December and by the end of May 50% (167+ million) of the US population had received at least one dose with 41% fully vaccinated. That is pretty impressive to me in such a short time. I am definitely glad Trump presided over the outbreak as Biden probably would have dictated precautions similar to NY or CA and they were the most delusional about being able to stamp it out entirely.
Doc Posted Thursday at 07:52 PM Posted Thursday at 07:52 PM 3 hours ago, GaryPinC said: Ok, so what? Anyone with a reasonable scientific/medical mind knew that. How is your point that Trump didn't have the vaccine while Biden did relevant to this? Trump would have also "failed" similarly if he had been president in 2021. I would say Biden's political promise was based on two things: pushing vaccination as quickly as he could with the general population and the fact that the mRNA vaccines had been proven to be hugely effective against the beta version of Covid at the time in clinical trials. That's why health officials were quoting 100%, fully stop transmission, etc. So for a non-scientific, questionable mental-acuity president who listened to his over-speaking health officials, I feel like he made a legit good effort to achieve this promise but essentially the vaccine wasn't as great as his health officials were proclaiming. Plus Omicron was first identified in the fall of 2021, has dominated since, and the vaccines have never been as effective against it as they were beta. WRT mass vaccination, the vaccines became available mid-December and by the end of May 50% (167+ million) of the US population had received at least one dose with 41% fully vaccinated. That is pretty impressive to me in such a short time. I am definitely glad Trump presided over the outbreak as Biden probably would have dictated precautions similar to NY or CA and they were the most delusional about being able to stamp it out entirely. Probably and that's been my point since 2020: it was going to ravage the US no matter who was President. But many on the left (like "Homelander," to whom I was responding) think Trump totally mismanaged the COVID response and Biden did well. I agree with the last paragraph. And think they also wouldn't have shut down travel from China early-on for fear of looking racist.
GaryPinC Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago 20 hours ago, Doc said: Probably and that's been my point since 2020: it was going to ravage the US no matter who was President. But many on the left (like "Homelander," to whom I was responding) think Trump totally mismanaged the COVID response and Biden did well. I agree with the last paragraph. And think they also wouldn't have shut down travel from China early-on for fear of looking racist. It wouldn't have mattered if they had shut China travel earlier. It spread too quickly with 2 or 3 days of victims being asymptomatic and infectious, and longer for those that remained asymptomatic. China was also slow to acknowledge it, I know I first learned about it from Li Wenliang's warnings shortly before he died and the construction of field hospitals in Wuhan early Feb 2020. Think about how long it had been spreading to get to that point. Probably 2-6 months, plenty to get it seeded around the world. The Wuhan market was shut down January 1 2020 to test for viruses. Other than Trump's standard stupid spews about alternative remedies he did just fine. So many hind-sighters on both sides forget how in the dark we were those first six months of 2020.
Doc Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 28 minutes ago, GaryPinC said: It wouldn't have mattered if they had shut China travel earlier. It spread too quickly with 2 or 3 days of victims being asymptomatic and infectious, and longer for those that remained asymptomatic. China was also slow to acknowledge it, I know I first learned about it from Li Wenliang's warnings shortly before he died and the construction of field hospitals in Wuhan early Feb 2020. Think about how long it had been spreading to get to that point. Probably 2-6 months, plenty to get it seeded around the world. The Wuhan market was shut down January 1 2020 to test for viruses. Other than Trump's standard stupid spews about alternative remedies he did just fine. So many hind-sighters on both sides forget how in the dark we were those first six months of 2020. I started to hear about it midway through January. I went to a medical conference at the end of the month and they were talking about it. Never thought it would blow up the way it did though.
BillsFanNC Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago Wuhan worked with a humanized mouse model having ACE2 spike protein receptors in lung tissue that exhibited >1000 fold infectivity enhancement with engineered SARS like viruses. Translation: All masking protocols, lockdowns and public health measures were useless. The virus was going to spread around the globe like wildfire just as it did no matter what 1 1
GaryPinC Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 2 hours ago, Doc said: I started to hear about it midway through January. I went to a medical conference at the end of the month and they were talking about it. Never thought it would blow up the way it did though. Yeah, no one did. As soon as I heard about them setting up field hospitals I knew we were f*cked. It seemed surreal but the Chinese take outbreaks seriously and it was too late for them already. 2 hours ago, BillsFanNC said: Wuhan worked with a humanized mouse model having ACE2 spike protein receptors in lung tissue that exhibited >1000 fold infectivity enhancement with engineered SARS like viruses. Translation: All masking protocols, lockdowns and public health measures were useless. The virus was going to spread around the globe like wildfire just as it did no matter what 😂Yes, an overexpressing artificially created mouse model always portends truth. Look how many times it's pegged cancer cures. Translation: You are incredibly overreacting and ignorant, and just plain wrong. Stay away from science and medicine. You truly suck at it. 1
BillsFanNC Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 5 minutes ago, GaryPinC said: Yeah, no one did. As soon as I heard about them setting up field hospitals I knew we were f*cked. It seemed surreal but the Chinese take outbreaks seriously and it was too late for them already. 😂Yes, an overexpressing artificially created mouse model always portends truth. Look how many times it's pegged cancer cures. Translation: You are incredibly overreacting and ignorant, and just plain wrong. Stay away from science and medicine. You truly suck at it. How many years have you spent AT THE BENCH conducting these very same types of genetic manipulation experiments with viruses like flu and rsv? I'm guessing 0.0 is pretty close. You're a clown like Quack.
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