The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said:

Did they try HCQ with zinc yet?

 

Wipe off your chin.

[Tiberius]

3 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Biden's off to a great start, you know, swooping in and saving every American life...thankfully he developed that vaccine just in time

 

Whatever you do Gary, don't come to Florida we might give you the COVIDs here

I thought Covid would be over by last April? 

 

Trump let so many die. Killer incompetence, and you love him 

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

 

No I was using it as a point that Birx was full of ***t this morning.

 

If she thinks we should have done something sooner, when?  Did she recommend that?  Did Fauci?  

 

No.  But Trump killed 100,000 innocents or something.  

It’s 400,000, but like a good little Trumper you distorted the facts 

[daz28]

15 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

What lie?  He said what he said, did he not?  By the time he changed his opinion the damage had been done in the minds of many. 

 

And conveniently blaming Trump for everything but giving Fauci et al a pass for their ignorance is rich.  Talk about crap.

Fauci was adjusting to changing conditions of a novel virus using his expert knowledge.  Trump was always just talking out his ass.  Also Trump stared at those empty cupboards for 3 years.  If Covid happened in 2015, then I'd blame Obama for lack of PPE but it didn't.  

[Doc]

22 minutes ago, daz28 said:

Fauci was adjusting to changing conditions of a novel virus using his expert knowledge.  Trump was always just talking out his ass.  Also Trump stared at those empty cupboards for 3 years.  If Covid happened in 2015, then I'd blame Obama for lack of PPE but it didn't.  

 

LOL!  So what was Obama doing for 6 years, after the H1N1 outbreak in 2009?  You think that's any sort of excuse for him?
 

And yes, there were changing conditions.  The best you'll get from me is that a Dem wouldn't have done any better given the circumstances.

Edited March 28, 2021 by Doc

[Chef Jim]

16 minutes ago, daz28 said:

Fauci was adjusting to changing conditions of a novel virus using his expert knowledge.  Trump was always just talking out his ass.  Also Trump stared at those empty cupboards for 3 years.  If Covid happened in 2015, then I'd blame Obama for lack of PPE but it didn't.  

Damn Trump for not doing an inventory of the nation’s PPE.  

[B-Man]

1 hour ago, daz28 said:

  Also Trump stared at those empty cupboards for 3 years.  

 

That's the kind of reply that is a dead giveaway of a biased poster.

 

 

 

 

New York, New Jersey now lead the country in COVID-19 infections.

 

https://nypost.com/2021/03/28/new-york-new-jersey-now-have-highest-covid-19-infection-rates/

 

 

[Big Blitz]

On July 4th 2021 it will be 18 months minimum that the virus has been in this country and just as long mitigating or in lockdown.  

 

Our leaders* are so confident that the vaccines are going to.......well, something they don't really say...........so does Biden come out and say "Look man, com'on....we are almost there....soon we will have our schools back to normal and the nearly 2 years of childhood we took from our kids will soon be back to normal........we are so close we can soon have full stadiums and normal capacity.  Com'on man.  Almost there."

 

Nope.  

 

Here is what he thinks will be possible by July 4th, 2021:

 

That maybe you can have friends over for a BBQ.

 

Let that sink in again.   

 

I know politically there is something to underpromise and over deliver.  That's not what's happening.  

 

 

 

 

 

*Bought paid and controlled by China 

[BillStime]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Also the PPE was depleted under Obama.  It was his responsibility to replenish it no matter how it occurred, not wait 6 years later and for a new administration. 

 

If 100% true, why would Trump wait three to years to replenish PPE and at the same absolutely destroy our pandemic preparedness and infrastructure?

 

How Trump Gutted Obama’s Pandemic-Preparedness Systems

 

An anti-science administration

 

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On the morning of Jan. 22, 2017, the day after Trump’s inauguration, the PCAST website was taken down and all of its reports vanished from the White House website (though they can be found in the Obama White House archives).

 

For two years, the directorship of OSTP was vacant, the longest in its history. The staff was reduced by two-thirds. The current director, Kelvin Droegemeier, a professor of meteorology at the University of Oklahoma whose appointment was confirmed by the Senate on Jan. 2, 2019, isn’t an assistant to the president and is unable to directly communicate with the president.

 

PCAST lay dormant until November 2019, when Trump appointed members to it. Unlike its predecessor, which included a diversity of scientists from academia and industry, the current version includes members drawn primarily from industry. Their charge has been narrowed. The council is to advise the president on “how does America win in the Industries of the Future and how do we prepare the workforce of the future to take advantage of this opportunity?” They’re not to produce any reports (the prior PCAST produced 39 reports).

 

The minutes of the council’s meeting on Feb. 3 and 4, 2020, include no discussion of the Covid-19 pandemic.

 

The sum of the work done by Trump’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology? Zero.

 

The follow-up on the 2016 recommendation for an assistant to the president dedicated to pandemic prevention and response also fell on deaf ears.

 

As Ebola was once again breaking out in West Africa, Rear Admiral Timothy Ziemer, who had been charged with creating a national biodefense strategy, resigned from Trump’s National Security Council on May 11, 2018. At the time of his departure, that strategy hadn’t yet been created.

 

The remaining staff members were faced with managing a portfolio that bundled together epidemics, biological threats, and weapons of mass destruction. Dividing their time among many responsibilities whose day-to-day urgencies can seem to be greater than preparing for a future pandemic is precisely what Ron Klain and PCAST had warned about in 2016. The Pandemic Playbook was neglected, and its existence has even been denied.

 

By the end of December 2019, as the Covid-19 epidemic began breaking out in China, Trump was largely without any coherent scientific input into his policy making. Given that none of the president’s assistants, the people with direct access to him via memo or meeting, have any scientific expertise, his nonresponse, even complacency, in the face of the emerging epidemic in China is sadly understandable.

 

On March 10, after a meeting with U.S. senators about Covid-19, the president remarked to the press that America was prepared and doing a great job. “And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away,” he insisted.

 

 

 

 

[Doc]

11 hours ago, BillStime said:

If 100% true, why would Trump wait three to years to replenish PPE and at the same absolutely destroy our pandemic preparedness and infrastructure?

 

How Trump Gutted Obama’s Pandemic-Preparedness Systems

 

An anti-science administration

 

What do you mean "if 100% true"?  The PPE was depleted under Obama.  That is not even in question.  The only question is: why didn't Obama and especially the mythic Pandemic Response Team make sure that the PPE was repleted as soon as it was depleted during the minor H1N1 pandemic?

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

What do you mean "if 100% true"?  The PPE was depleted under Obama.  That is not even in question.  The only question is: why didn't Obama and especially the mythic Pandemic Response Team make sure that the PPE was repleted as soon as it was depleted during the minor H1N1 pandemic?

 

And why did Trump wait three years to address it?

 

THREE YEARS

[Backintheday544]

12 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

What do you mean "if 100% true"?  The PPE was depleted under Obama.  That is not even in question.  The only question is: why didn't Obama and especially the mythic Pandemic Response Team make sure that the PPE was repleted as soon as it was depleted during the minor H1N1 pandemic?

Obama tried to. The tea party house denied the budget requests:

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/obama-ebola-coronavirus-trump-congress-tea-party-a9469186.html

At the time, the former president was asking for hundreds of millions of dollars in funding to prepare the US for future pandemics, but the request was rejected by Republican politicians.

https://nmpoliticalreport.com/2020/04/06/how-tea-party-budget-battles-left-the-national-emergency-medical-stockpile-unprepared-for-coronavirus/

 

We recognized the need for replenishment of the stockpile and budgeted about a 10% increase,” said Dr. Nicole Lurie, who served as the assistant secretary for preparedness and response at the Department of Health and Human Services during the Obama administration. “That was rejected by the Republican House.”

Republicans took over the House of Representatives in the 2010 midterms on the Tea Party wave of opposition to the landmark 2010 health care reform law, the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare. The new House majority was intent on curbing government spending, especially at HHS, which administered Obamacare.

Congressional Republicans, led by Mitch McConnell in the Senate and House Speaker John Boehner, leveraged the debt ceiling — a limit on the government’s borrowing ability that had to be raised — to insist that the Obama administration accept federal spending curbs. The compromise, codified in the 2011 Budget Control Act, required a bipartisan “super committee” to find additional ways to reduce the deficit, or else it would trigger automatic across-the-board cuts known as “sequestration.”

Even in the aftermath of the swine flu pandemic, the stockpile wasn’t a priority then. Without a full committee markup, Rehberg introduced a bill that provided $522.5 million to the stockpile, about 12% less than the previous year and $132 million less than the administration wanted. “Nobody got everything they wanted,” Rehberg said.

 

[SoCal Deek]

5 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:

Obama tried to. The tea party house denied the budget requests:

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/obama-ebola-coronavirus-trump-congress-tea-party-a9469186.html

At the time, the former president was asking for hundreds of millions of dollars in funding to prepare the US for future pandemics, but the request was rejected by Republican politicians.

https://nmpoliticalreport.com/2020/04/06/how-tea-party-budget-battles-left-the-national-emergency-medical-stockpile-unprepared-for-coronavirus/

 

We recognized the need for replenishment of the stockpile and budgeted about a 10% increase,” said Dr. Nicole Lurie, who served as the assistant secretary for preparedness and response at the Department of Health and Human Services during the Obama administration. “That was rejected by the Republican House.”

Republicans took over the House of Representatives in the 2010 midterms on the Tea Party wave of opposition to the landmark 2010 health care reform law, the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare. The new House majority was intent on curbing government spending, especially at HHS, which administered Obamacare.

Congressional Republicans, led by Mitch McConnell in the Senate and House Speaker John Boehner, leveraged the debt ceiling — a limit on the government’s borrowing ability that had to be raised — to insist that the Obama administration accept federal spending curbs. The compromise, codified in the 2011 Budget Control Act, required a bipartisan “super committee” to find additional ways to reduce the deficit, or else it would trigger automatic across-the-board cuts known as “sequestration.”

Even in the aftermath of the swine flu pandemic, the stockpile wasn’t a priority then. Without a full committee markup, Rehberg introduced a bill that provided $522.5 million to the stockpile, about 12% less than the previous year and $132 million less than the administration wanted. “Nobody got everything they wanted,” Rehberg said.

 

So...it wasn’t Trump’s fault then? Discussion closed! 

[Doc]

23 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

And why did Trump wait three years to address it?

 

THREE YEARS

 

Why did Obama wait six years and for a new administration.

 

SIX YEARS

 

6 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:

Obama tried to. The tea party house denied the budget requests:

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/obama-ebola-coronavirus-trump-congress-tea-party-a9469186.html

At the time, the former president was asking for hundreds of millions of dollars in funding to prepare the US for future pandemics, but the request was rejected by Republican politicians.

https://nmpoliticalreport.com/2020/04/06/how-tea-party-budget-battles-left-the-national-emergency-medical-stockpile-unprepared-for-coronavirus/

 

We recognized the need for replenishment of the stockpile and budgeted about a 10% increase,” said Dr. Nicole Lurie, who served as the assistant secretary for preparedness and response at the Department of Health and Human Services during the Obama administration. “That was rejected by the Republican House.”

Republicans took over the House of Representatives in the 2010 midterms on the Tea Party wave of opposition to the landmark 2010 health care reform law, the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare. The new House majority was intent on curbing government spending, especially at HHS, which administered Obamacare.

Congressional Republicans, led by Mitch McConnell in the Senate and House Speaker John Boehner, leveraged the debt ceiling — a limit on the government’s borrowing ability that had to be raised — to insist that the Obama administration accept federal spending curbs. The compromise, codified in the 2011 Budget Control Act, required a bipartisan “super committee” to find additional ways to reduce the deficit, or else it would trigger automatic across-the-board cuts known as “sequestration.”

Even in the aftermath of the swine flu pandemic, the stockpile wasn’t a priority then. Without a full committee markup, Rehberg introduced a bill that provided $522.5 million to the stockpile, about 12% less than the previous year and $132 million less than the administration wanted. “Nobody got everything they wanted,” Rehberg said.

 

 

Excuses.  He could have gotten it replenished several ways.

[Tiberius]

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“I was marginalized every day. I mean, that is no question. The majority of the people in the White House did not take this seriously,” said Birx, who increasingly broke with the administration on its testing strategy and mitigation efforts as the year progressed. Birx said she was personally rebuked by Trump after warning in an August interview that Americans needed to take strict safety precautions because the virus was “extraordinarily widespread.”

“He felt very strongly that I misrepresented the pandemic in the United States, that I made it out to be much worse than it is,” she said. “I feel like I didn’t even make it out as bad as it was.”

 

It will be over by April! And Trump never had anything to do with Russia, either, huh? 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/03/29/trump-officials-tell-all-coronavirus-response/

[Backintheday544]

Just now, Doc said:

 

Why did Obama wait six years and for a new administration.

 

SIX YEARS

 

 

Excuses.  He could have gotten it replenished several ways.

You apparently hate the constitution then since Congress has the power of purse and you wanted Obama to circumvent the constitution.

 

Obama admin was trying to. Republicans said no.

 

Trump had 3 years. Republicans didn’t do anything.

 

PPE failures fall squarely on Republicans. I’d put it on Tea Party Republicans.

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:

You apparently hate the constitution then since Congress has the power of purse and you wanted Obama to circumvent the constitution.

 

Obama admin was trying to. Republicans said no.

 

Trump had 3 years. Republicans didn’t do anything.

 

PPE failures fall squarely on Republicans. I’d put it on Tea Party Republicans.

 

So...the buck only stops at the desk of Trump.  OK.

[Backintheday544]

25 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

So...the buck only stops at the desk of Trump.  OK.

As I said, the issue is with the Tea Party Republicans. If they didn’t have their hate for the ACA all the budget non-sense during the Obama admin wouldn’t have happened.

[SoCal Deek]

16 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:

As I said, the issue is with the Tea Party Republicans. If they didn’t have their hate for the ACA all the budget non-sense during the Obama admin wouldn’t have happened.

"Elections have consequences":  Barrack Obama

[Backintheday544]

4 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

"Elections have consequences":  Barrack Obama

And unfortunately one of those consequences was the Tea Party doing stupid things like not funding the resupplying PPE when asked.

 

To add:

1. For the party of personal responsibility the Republicans/Tea Party sure are doing their best to say they’re not responsible

2. To the elections have consequences - so because there was an election and Republicans elected tea party nuts and those tea party nuts didn’t allow funding of core items like PPE it’s ok because well golly gee elections have consequences. Elections shouldn’t have the consequences of all these deaths just because the tea party was unable to properly govern.

 

Edited March 29, 2021 by Backintheday544

[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, Backintheday544 said:

And unfortunately one of those consequences was the Tea Party doing stupid things like not funding the resupplying PPE when asked.

 

To add:

1. For the party of personal responsibility the Republicans/Tea Party sure are doing their best to say they’re not responsible

2. To the elections have consequences - so because there was an election and Republicans elected tea party nuts and those tea party nuts didn’t allow funding of core items like PPE it’s ok because well golly gee elections have consequences. Elections shouldn’t have the consequences of all these deaths just because the tea party was unable to properly govern.

 

You are so full of crap.  Go ahead, keep blaming everything on the other side of the aisle if it helps you sleep at night. One day, you're going to grow up and learn that BOTH sides are the problem.