SDS Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 On 10/16/2020 at 1:16 PM, spartacus said: if so, why isn't this being promoted as important for all Americans to protect themselves why promote fear porn Expand if you are speaking about COVID-19 it is because research and analysis takes time. If you’re talking about taking zinc in general, zinc lozenges have been promoted for many years.
oldmanfan Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 On 10/16/2020 at 1:19 PM, Reality Check said: False. The nanosecond this so called pandemic hit, people should have done an assessment of their personal health and lifestyle trends. Viruses do not get eradicated. Fragments of RNA are everywhere regardless. Only your personal immune system can address these threat appropriately. Hygiene, diet, activity, and mental health are personal means of empowerment. Expand Yeah, and they didn't, so get over it. The way to eradicate this virus right now is to deprive the virus of a host. The way you try to do that in the absence of a vaccine is to keep the virus from spreading, and the way you do that is with good hand washing, distancing, and masks. I am not arguing that we should not all try to keep healthy immune systems, diets and such but the horse is out of the barn right now.
daz28 Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 On 10/16/2020 at 1:19 PM, Reality Check said: False. The nanosecond this so called pandemic hit, people should have done an assessment of their personal health and lifestyle trends. Viruses do not get eradicated. Fragments of RNA are everywhere regardless. Only your personal immune system can address these threat appropriately. Hygiene, diet, activity, and mental health are personal means of empowerment. Expand I 100% agree with this, but people expect a magic pill to solve all their problems. The Spanish flu got eradicated. 1
oldmanfan Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 On 10/16/2020 at 1:16 PM, spartacus said: if so, why isn't this being promoted as important for all Americans to protect themselves why promote fear porn Expand I don't know why about zinc; in general it has anti-viral properties but by itself likely will not curtail this epidemic. And drop the fear porn stuff, this is a highly contagious virus that has affected and killed millions across the globe.
Reality Check Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 On 10/16/2020 at 1:25 PM, oldmanfan said: Yeah, and they didn't, so get over it. The way to eradicate this virus right now is to deprive the virus of a host. The way you try to do that in the absence of a vaccine is to keep the virus from spreading, and the way you do that is with good hand washing, distancing, and masks. I am not arguing that we should not all try to keep healthy immune systems, diets and such but the horse is out of the barn right now. Expand From a national economic standpoint, how practical is what you are suggesting? How much damage economically, socially, and mentally is required to stop this?
oldmanfan Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 On 10/16/2020 at 1:26 PM, BeerLeagueHockey said: You'll be happy with the proposed 2-3 month Biden lockdown come January - March. Expand What Biden has said is that he will listen to the experts. What the experts have said is that if we all do our part and wear masks, wash our hands, distance when we can we can help prevent spread and actually allow things to open up more.
Reality Check Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 On 10/16/2020 at 1:28 PM, oldmanfan said: What Biden has said is that he will listen to the experts. What the experts have said is that if we all do our part and wear masks, wash our hands, distance when we can we can help prevent spread and actually allow things to open up more. Expand Which experts? Which scientists? Do they have names? Are they just the ones approved for national TV stations?
oldmanfan Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 On 10/16/2020 at 1:28 PM, Reality Check said: From a national economic standpoint, how practical is what you are suggesting? How much damage economically, socially, and mentally is required to stop this? Expand From a national standpoint? Tell everyone to wear a mask. Why would that be hard to do from a national standpoint? tell everyone to wash their hands often. How is that hard to accomplish from a national standpoint? Tell everyone to distance when it is possible to do so. Why is that hard to do from a national standpoint? I get the effect on the economy and such. My daughter is an actor and her field has been really hit hard by this. But in my community businesses are open, churches are allowing folks in again. They just need to do those three things. Here's my question: why be so damn stubborn?
oldmanfan Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 On 10/16/2020 at 1:31 PM, Reality Check said: Which experts? Which scientists? Do they have names? Are they just the ones approved for national TV stations? Expand How about people at the CDC? How about folks like Dr. Fauci who is the world authority of infectious disease? How about experts in epidemiology and other infection disease and public health experts who have spent their professional lives dedicated to figuring these things out?
daz28 Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 On 10/16/2020 at 1:28 PM, Reality Check said: From a national economic standpoint, how practical is what you are suggesting? How much damage economically, socially, and mentally is required to stop this? Expand He said good hand washing, distancing, and masks. How does that cause damage. Serious question, why does the workplace not want you to come to work when you're sick? It's so you don't infect the whole workplace. It's called mitigation, and people have been doing it for a long time.
oldmanfan Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 On 10/16/2020 at 1:33 PM, BeerLeagueHockey said: Basically what we've been doing then. So no reason to lock down ever again. Expand If we all do our part and help each other, then hopefully not. But you see what's going on now, infection rates are climbing in many states. Because people aren't listening.
Reality Check Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 On 10/16/2020 at 1:32 PM, oldmanfan said: From a national standpoint? Tell everyone to wear a mask. Why would that be hard to do from a national standpoint? tell everyone to wash their hands often. How is that hard to accomplish from a national standpoint? Tell everyone to distance when it is possible to do so. Why is that hard to do from a national standpoint? I get the effect on the economy and such. My daughter is an actor and her field has been really hit hard by this. But in my community businesses are open, churches are allowing folks in again. They just need to do those three things. Here's my question: why be so damn stubborn? Expand I can ask you why you are so stubborn, but I won't. Neither one of us is under any obligation to acquiesce to the other. That is the beauty of our Constitutional Republic. I'll disengage with you if you want to stop talking about it with me. We are free men after all.
spartacus Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 On 10/16/2020 at 1:13 PM, oldmanfan said: here's another big word. Mitigate. Masks are not 100% effective and no one has said they are. But they are a part of a strategy to mitigate spread. Expand they don't mitigate anything they enhance the spread by freeing droplet bound virus particles to travel farther 2
daz28 Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 On 10/16/2020 at 1:28 PM, BeerLeagueHockey said: Yet the all cause mortality has not risen for 2020. Running at the same rate as years past. Expand I have no clue what this even implies?? So no one died of Covid. It really is a hoax?
oldmanfan Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 On 10/16/2020 at 1:36 PM, spartacus said: they don't mitigate anything they enhance the spread by freeing droplet bound virus particles to travel farther Expand Every competent scientists says you are wrong.
Reality Check Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 On 10/16/2020 at 1:33 PM, oldmanfan said: How about people at the CDC? How about folks like Dr. Fauci who is the world authority of infectious disease? How about experts in epidemiology and other infection disease and public health experts who have spent their professional lives dedicated to figuring these things out? Expand That's one name, Fauci. Who else? Your faith in bureaucracies composed of billions of dollars in profit motives for its "experts" might be misplaced.
Reality Check Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 On 10/16/2020 at 1:36 PM, daz28 said: I have no clue what this even implies?? So no one died of Covid. It really is a hoax? Expand Try thinking about what he posted for a little while. You can't call it a pandemic when average total annual deaths haven't been affected.
oldmanfan Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 On 10/16/2020 at 1:35 PM, Reality Check said: I can ask you why you are so stubborn, but I won't. Neither one of us is under any obligation to acquiesce to the other. That is the beauty of our Constitutional Republic. I'll disengage with you if you want to stop talking about it with me. We are free men after all. Expand My opinions are based on the science. If there is anything worse than the deaths that have occurred from Covid and the economic impact, it is that the pandemic has shown us that we have a society that increasingly refuses to accept things like data and fact and science. That may be more dangerous than anything for the long term. We are free men. I express my freedom by doing what I can to help make sure my neighbor doesn't get this disease. What are you doing? 3
daz28 Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 On 10/16/2020 at 1:31 PM, Reality Check said: Which experts? Which scientists? Do they have names? Are they just the ones approved for national TV stations? Expand I think it would be easier to list all the doctors who believe mitigation measure don't work. Plus they're easy to find, because they all live in Alabama, and they think Jesus is gonna solve it.
Reality Check Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 On 10/16/2020 at 1:40 PM, oldmanfan said: My opinions are based on the science. If there is anything worse than the deaths that have occurred from Covid and the economic impact, it is that the pandemic has shown us that we have a society that increasingly refuses to accept things like data and fact and science. That may be more dangerous than anything for the long term. We are free men. I express my freedom by doing what I can to help make sure my neighbor doesn't get this disease. What are you doing? Expand Your opinions are not based on the science. They are based on the opinions of scientists. A handful of scientists I might add who have a profit motive. You yourself haven't seem to attempted to quantify the situation independently for yourself.
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