plenzmd1 Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said: Because those young men were part of a generation the likes of which haven't been seen since. Since then it's been mostly hippies. lot o wars over 250 years..all fought to preserve ourway of life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: agreed, and we need to be able to have rational conservations about the moral decisions around sacrificing lives downstream that have an expected life span of greater than 50 years vs ones that have an expected lifespan of 3 months.Callousness it may be, i call it utilitarianism , Every human is a life with loved ones. No one is a utility. 10 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Why was it not an issue to send young men( for the most part) to fight wars , It ALWAYS was and always will be. They day it isn't is a day we don't want. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 1 hour ago, ALF said: Trump's word not mine referring to demonstrations in 3 states , try to keep up. I meant interesting coming from you. I agree with the word. We need to be liberated. 1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said: okay? where do i sign up to be first in line? hmm, what callouness. Average stay in a nursing home under 6 months, in a state run facility under 4 months. People leaving aint going home cause they got better. People freaking die all the time, its what we do. Its why we have hospice.Both parents and my brother I guess could have gone to nursing homes and eeked out a few more months, they decided whats the freaking point...gunna die there or die at home..they chose to die at home. The real callousness is people ( not you i know) who refuse to acknowledge any downstream effects and deaths the lockdowns may cause, especially on children in homes with lesser means...that's some serious callousness. I gave you a thanks for your response to him calling me callous not about wanting to be first in line to help in my demise. That gets an awesome! ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, shoshin said: Every human is a life with loved ones. No one is a utility. It ALWAYS was and always will be. They day it isn't is a day we don't want. Agreed, but to deny the reality that we have always balanced the loss of life vs the greater good of the country is also not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 15 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: agreed, and we need to be able to have rational conservations about the moral decisions around sacrificing lives downstream that have an expected life span of greater than 50 years vs ones that have an expected lifespan of 3 months.Callousness it may be, i call it utilitarianism , Why was it not an issue to send young men( for the most part) to fight wars , but now we have an issue with talking about the fact that some at end of life are going to be put in danger in order to preserve our way of life and yes, our very country. I agree with this. Some may say your words are cold and unfeeling, but that’s really just semantics. This ( and wars) are harsh realities that involve difficult, even brutal decisions. Not for the faint of heart, but they must be made. As a country, there is a sizable faction doing everything they can to make the wrong one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 15 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: lot o wars over 250 years..all fought to preserve ourway of life 100%. But on the Homefront the last few generations have been very quick to shout me, me, me. On top of it, those voices get echoed quickly by power grabbing idiots and it pits group against group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: I agree with this. Some may say your words are cold and unfeeling, but that’s really just semantics. This ( and wars) are harsh realities that involve difficult, even brutal decisions. Not for the faint of heart, but they must be made. As a country, there is a sizable faction doing everything they can to make the wrong one. i dunno, maybe i been there at the end to many times. Maybe it's seeing my folks say leaving my kids with 90K to split 3 ways was way more important to them then an extra couple months in a nursing home..they worked their whole lives, and were proud AF they were leaving something to their kids ..the dignity in that is hard to comprehend for so many people.And to be clear not saying @shoshin, saying the body politic that says no life is worth sacrificing for the economy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: People freaking die all the time, its what we do. Its why we have hospice.Both parents and my brother I guess could have gone to nursing homes and eeked out a few more months, they decided whats the freaking point...gunna die there or die at home..they chose to die at home. My Uncle Joe (moniker) told my dad when he went in the hospital for the last time, "I came in the front door but I'm going out the back door." He didn't loose his sense of humor or perspective. RIP Edited May 16, 2020 by Uncle Joe 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 Shocker... Drug promoted by Trump as coronavirus ‘game changer’ increasingly linked to deaths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted May 16, 2020 Author Share Posted May 16, 2020 According to this report the US *may* resume funding, up to the same amount that China does, which is a whole lot less than what we had been on the hook for previously. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 NY death count continues to trend way down. Friday showed only six states in low triple digit deaths with NY in the middle of the pack. NJ took the top spot. The other 44 states are way down! This thing is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 For everyone who thinks masks help, read this. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 There are people out there that vote their conscious, and we are better for it. Proud of my Representative, keep an eye on her if she decides to make a career of politics. Only campaign i have ever volunteered for and fund raise for. @Buffalo_Gal. https://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/spanberger-opposes-latest-stimulus-package-saying-it-goes-far-beyond-pandemic-relief/article_c0d7b166-59aa-5204-b2c3-21d85fa5b3ab.html 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 America’s finest right here... 13 minutes ago, pop gun said: For everyone who thinks masks help, read this. I mean - who doesn’t get their medical advice from Facebook? ??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 1 minute ago, BillStime said: America’s finest right here... I mean - who doesn’t get their medical advice from Facebook? ??? How dare any of these plebs question the integrity of the media? Don't they recognize their betters when they see them? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: How dare any of these plebs question the integrity of the media? Don't they recognize their betters when they see them? Settle down there champ - no one said they couldn’t.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: How dare any of these plebs question the integrity of the media? Don't they recognize their betters when they see them? Doesn’t Trump hate people like that? He hates people that are unsuccessful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 19 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: There are people out there that vote their conscious, and we are better for it. Proud of my Representative, keep an eye on her if she decides to make a career of politics. Only campaign i have ever volunteered for and fund raise for. @Buffalo_Gal. https://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/spanberger-opposes-latest-stimulus-package-saying-it-goes-far-beyond-pandemic-relief/article_c0d7b166-59aa-5204-b2c3-21d85fa5b3ab.html I am glad that there are a few Ds coming out against this behemoth pork package. Sounds like it will be trimmed, as it should be. We will find out later if it is trimmed enough, and what "goodies" are kept in. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 38 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: NY death count continues to trend way down. Friday showed only six states in low triple digit deaths with NY in the middle of the pack. NJ took the top spot. The other 44 states are way down! This thing is over. It’s down. Not way down. And the summer of 1918 was awesome. I’ll call it over when we have it under control through a flu season. Until then we need to plan for its inevitable return this fall and work like MFers on treatments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I am glad that there are a few Ds coming out against this behemoth pork package. Sounds like it will be trimmed, as it should be. We will find out later if it is trimmed enough, and what "goodies" are kept in. As long as corporate America and Trumps friends get their billions F the rest - then you’ll be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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