The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Boatdrinks]

3 minutes ago, Scraps said:

I'm not confused.  I simply don't blindly take Trump or Pence's word as fact.

 

NY, Maryland and Michigan were a few.

I can’t take anything Cuomo says as fact. The Michigan Gov has proven to be moronic as well. Not sure about Maryland, but most of these people seem to be stalling, moving goalposts, etc. 

[fansince88]

3 hours ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

Sugar Nipples ordered additional antibody testing in NYS, and read the results today. 24.9% of people in NYC tested positive for the antibodies. It is actually lower than I thought.

Sugar nipples....LOL Yes, I saw that. So 1/4 of the people got it. so a bit over 2 million average of infected. Hmmm, where does that leave our morbidity rate?

2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

Never, ever thought I'd have to use mine. 

Got Q in mine and that is all

[IDBillzFan]

11 minutes ago, Scraps said:

I simply don't blindly take Trump or Pence's word as fact.

 

 

So to recap, you don't blindly take Trump or Pence's word as fact, however...

 

11 minutes ago, Scraps said:

NY, Maryland and Michigan were a few.

 

...you're okay with Cuomo, who lost his skull about not having any equipment, only to have Oregon send him a bunch, right before he found a warehouse full of equipment to the extent that he was able to send extra equipment to...wait for it...Maryland and Michigan.

 

Trump/Pence bad. Cuomo good.

 

Got it.

 

 

 

 

Edited April 28, 2020 by IDBillzFan

[SectionC3]

10 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

I can’t take anything Cuomo says as fact. The Michigan Gov has proven to be moronic as well. Not sure about Maryland, but most of these people seem to be stalling, moving goalposts, etc. 

How are these people stalling and moving goalposts? 

9 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

 

So to recap, you don't blindly take Trump or Pence's word as fact, however...

 

 

...you're okay with Cuomo, who lost his skull about not having any equipment, only to have Oregon send him a bunch, right before he found a warehouse full of equipment to the extent that he was able to send extra equipment to...wait for it...Maryland and Michigan.

 

Trump/Pence bad. Cuomo good.

 

Got it.

 

 

 

 

Not sure I see the contradiction here.  Data told Cuomo he would be short ventilators.  He agitated for and obtained more.  Now he shares unneeded equipment.  What’s the problem? 

[Scraps]

6 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

I can’t take anything Cuomo says as fact. The Michigan Gov has proven to be moronic as well. Not sure about Maryland, but most of these people seem to be stalling, moving goalposts, etc. 

So how many tests per day do you think these states need in order to know where the virus might be breaking out so they can do aggressive contact tracing to keep the virus in check?  Do you know if they have the testing capacity in both machines and materials to perform those tests?

 

I don't necessarily like these governors.  I don't necessarily take their word at face value but when governor after governor regardless of party says the same thing, I don't flat out dismiss what they say.  Couple that with what Buffalo_Gal said 

 

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Regardless, Trump and Pence have has the same answer for over a week... there is enough testing for the states that are eligible to open based on the phases.

 

Don't you notice the cop out?  What states are eligible?  What states have met the phase 1 criteria?  Alaska maybe?  

[SectionC3]

A profile in leadership: 

 

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/three-weeks-of-trump-coronavirus-briefings-under-a-microscope-2-hours-spent-on-attacks-45-minutes-on-self-congratulation-and-412-minutes-of-condolences-for-victims-2020-04-27

[Scraps]

12 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

 

So to recap, you don't blindly take Trump or Pence's word as fact, however...

 

 

...you're okay with Cuomo, who lost his skull about not having any equipment, only to have Oregon send him a bunch, right before he found a warehouse full of equipment to the extent that he was able to send extra equipment to...wait for it...Maryland and Michigan.

 

Trump/Pence bad. Cuomo good.

 

Got it.

 

I don't like Cuomo, particularly how he is handling the nursing home situation.  That said, he has Trump and Pence beat.  Not a very high bar I admit.

[Albwan]

3 minutes ago, Scraps said:

 

I don't like Cuomo, particularly how he is handling the nursing home situation.  That said, he has Trump and Pence beat.  Not a very high bar I admit.

... another orangemanbad cultist ...

[GG]

1 minute ago, Scraps said:

 

I don't like Cuomo, particularly how he is handling the nursing home situation.  That said, he has Trump and Pence beat.  Not a very high bar I admit.

 

Did Trump & Pence sign an executive order confining nursing home residents to a certain death?

[Buffalo_Gal]

9 minutes ago, Scraps said:

So how many tests per day do you think these states need in order to know where the virus might be breaking out so they can do aggressive contact tracing to keep the virus in check?  Do you know if they have the testing capacity in both machines and materials to perform those tests?

 

I don't necessarily like these governors.  I don't necessarily take their word at face value but when governor after governor regardless of party says the same thing, I don't flat out dismiss what they say.  Couple that with what Buffalo_Gal said 

 

 

Don't you notice the cop out?  What states are eligible?  What states have met the phase 1 criteria?  Alaska maybe?  

Half the states qualify for phase 1. If you cannot watch the pressers to stay informed, reading the synopsis from people who are watching at the time would be helpful to alleviate your fears. Call your state's governor's office and ask them if they have adequate tests, swabs, and lab capabilities for those in need. If you need a test because you are ill, call your doctor and ask for a script to get a test.  There are many millions of tests out there, all different sorts of tests. The lab capability is there. Simply call, and put your fears to rest.
 

Edited April 28, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal

[Boatdrinks]

3 minutes ago, Scraps said:

So how many tests per day do you think these states need in order to know where the virus might be breaking out so they can do aggressive contact tracing to keep the virus in check?  Do you know if they have the testing capacity in both machines and materials to perform those tests?

 

I don't necessarily like these governors.  I don't necessarily take their word at face value but when governor after governor regardless of party says the same thing, I don't flat out dismiss what they say.  Couple that with what Buffalo_Gal said 

 

 

Don't you notice the cop out?  What states are eligible?  What states have met the phase 1 criteria?  Alaska maybe?  

I know in Erie County the County Exec has stated repeatedly that anyone who has symptoms can get tested through their provider or through the County if they do not have one. No shortage of tests according to him. As for testing to tell where the virus might be breaking out I highly doubt that a system like that is even remotely possible. They can test the symptomatic and attempt to contact trace , which might be somewhat effective. Very hard to nail down contacts to that degree. I think there is a lot of magical thinking out there when it comes to testing. It can help, but it’s not a panacea. There is no way that everyone, everywhere is going to be virus free when things open up. Have to keep some extra hospital space available to stay ahead of the increase in cases, but even that has its limits. The draconian lockdowns are driving hospitals out of business and leading to furloughs of medical personnel. That’s ludicrous. 

[Scraps]

1 minute ago, GG said:

 

Did Trump & Pence sign an executive order confining nursing home residents to a certain death?

No they didn't.  However, what is your take on what Cuomo says about the supply chain issue?  He isn't the only governor to raise the issue.

[Scraps]

2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

I know in Erie County the County Exec has stated repeatedly that anyone who has symptoms can get tested through their provider or through the County if they do not have one. No shortage of tests according to him. As for testing to tell where the virus might be breaking out I highly doubt that a system like that is even remotely possible. They can test the symptomatic and attempt to contact trace , which might be somewhat effective. Very hard to nail down contacts to that degree. I think there is a lot of magical thinking out there when it comes to testing. It can help, but it’s not a panacea. There is no way that everyone, everywhere is going to be virus free when things open up. Have to keep some extra hospital space available to stay ahead of the increase in cases, but even that has its limits. The draconian lockdowns are driving hospitals out of business and leading to furloughs of medical personnel. That’s ludicrous. 

Testing isn't a panacea but it is a prerequisite to opening up in a safe manner.  Otherwise, we are flying blind like we were for weeks in Jan and Feb when we had a faulty test.

[Buffalo_Gal]

9 minutes ago, Scraps said:

Testing isn't a panacea but it is a prerequisite to opening up in a safe manner.  Otherwise, we are flying blind like we were for weeks in Jan and Feb when we had a faulty test.

You will still be flying blind even with testing. If someone tests negative today, they can go out and lick a  bus door handle tomorrow and contract COVID-19. The antibody testing could be helpful... if anyone knew how long having the antibodies would protect a person from reinfection.

 

Edited April 28, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, Scraps said:

Testing isn't a panacea but it is a prerequisite to opening up in a safe manner.  Otherwise, we are flying blind like we were for weeks in Jan and Feb when we had a faulty test.

Testing to what degree and in what fashion ? There is not going to be a perfect scenario. Dr Birx has already stated that there will never be the capacity to test on a daily basis or anything like that. Anyone can test negative today but positive 3 days from now. Safe is the most overused term I’ve heard with regard to reopening , and it’s fantasy. It’s not going to be completely “ safe” because the virus isn’t going anywhere. Politicians are hiding behind a false choice scenario. Contact tracing of positive cases is about the best we can do. Some level of social distancing initially upon reopening will help. An individual focus on hygiene and some personal discretion exercised by those who fall into vulnerable categories will be necessary going forward. 

[Scraps]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

You will still be flying blind even with testing. If someone tests negative today, they can go out and lick a door bus handle tomorrow and contract COVID-19. The antibody testing could be helpful... if anyone knew how long having the antibodies would protect a person from reinfection.

Even without knowing how long antibodies are protective that test would be useful.  One would think that most people would be immune for months or a few years.  It would be useful to know if the population was approaching herd immunity.  Perhaps that could be approached during the summer months.  I would expect a uptick in the Fall.

[shoshin]

2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Testing to what degree and in what fashion ? There is not going to be a perfect scenario. Dr Birx has already stated that there will never be the capacity to test on a daily basis or anything like that. Anyone can test negative today but positive 3 days from now. Safe is the most overused term I’ve heard with regard to reopening , and it’s fantasy. It’s not going to be completely “ safe” because the virus isn’t going anywhere. Politicians are hiding behind a false choice scenario. Contact tracing of positive cases is about the best we can do. Some level of social distancing initially upon reopening will help. An individual focus on hygiene and some personal discretion exercised by those who fall into vulnerable categories will be necessary going forward. 

 

What Birx said is that we need a testing breakthrough and antibody tests are so far too scarce. 

 

We definitely are undertested since not everyone who is even symptomatic is still getting tested, though that's getting better. Testing asymptomatic people is really the big breakthrough we need but serology tests are not available AND not accurate yet. A tough 1-2 punch. 

 

I hear rumblings of tracing talk at Trump press conferences but little detail from the states that are reopening. How is Georgia tracking? Florida? Texas? Are they following the Trump guidelines on a tracing regimen?  I can't follow all the states but I've not heard much on these and I know other states like NY are working on that part of their plan to reopen. 

[Scraps]

21 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Half the states qualify for phase 1. If you cannot watch the pressers to stay informed, reading the synopsis from people who are watching at the time would be helpful to alleviate your fears. Call your state's governor's office and ask them if they have adequate tests, swabs, and lab capabilities for those in need. If you need a test because you are ill, call your doctor and ask for a script to get a test.  There are many millions of tests out there, all different sorts of tests. The lab capability is there. Simply call, and put your fears to rest.
 

I'm skeptical.  I know my state isn't there.  I don't believe any of the neighboring states are there either.  States are moving forward regardless of the guidelines.  If the 1918 Pandemic is a guide, this is a bad choice.

[Boatdrinks]

3 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

What Birx said is that we need a testing breakthrough and antibody tests are so far too scarce. 

 

We definitely are undertested since not everyone who is even symptomatic is still getting tested, though that's getting better. Testing asymptomatic people is really the big breakthrough we need but serology tests are not available AND not accurate yet. A tough 1-2 punch. 

 

I hear rumblings of tracing talk at Trump press conferences but little detail from the states that are reopening. How is Georgia tracking? Florida? Texas? Are they following the Trump guidelines on a tracing regimen?  I can't follow all the states but I've not heard much on these and I know other states like NY are working on that part of their plan to reopen. 

You may be referencing a more recent comment. I am referring to one she made a couple of weeks ago that debunked the notion of daily testing before work etc. It was not in reference to antibody test. 

Edited April 28, 2020 by Boatdrinks

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, Scraps said:

I'm skeptical.  I know my state isn't there.  I don't believe any of the neighboring states are there either.  States are moving forward regardless of the guidelines.  If the 1918 Pandemic is a guide, this is a bad choice.

This thing isn’t nearly as deadly as Spanish Flu. I don’t know if anyone was asymptomatic with that ; ive seen estimates as high as 45% asymptomatic with Wuhan. Still not sure what level of testing you are envisioning but we don’t have the luxury of time it would take for major breakthroughs. The country will literally crumble to pieces. We still don’t have a vaccine for any of the other known Coronaviruses, fwiw.