billsfan1959 Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 Just now, BullBuchanan said: Oh ok, so now the data doesn't work because percentages aren't apples to apple because our country is bigger. You people constantly move the goal posts on every discussion. News Flash: there is no country just like ours. There are a lot of reasons for the UAE's numbers to be higher than ours including the fact that they are so small. We have a lot of advantages in this crisis and are falling or already behind countries without them. You're getting less fact-based and more defensive with each response. The data is all there. I can supply it and explain it, but I can't understand it for you. 1. To use a chart comparing the number of cases in a population of 330 million directly with the number cases in a population of 60 million, or one of 50 million is ridiculous and serves absolutely no purpose. 2. To use the UAE with a population of 9 million and virtually no cases of significance as a foundation for your arguments is even more ridiculous. There are plenty of countries out there with substantial populations and cases with which to make your arguments. Unfortunately, they don't support you. We are running away from Italy because we have over 200,000 cases and they are starting to stabilize in the low 100,000 range? Even though they have 1842 cases per million compared to our 616 case per million - and 219 deaths per million compared to our 13.5 deaths per million Forget understanding the data for me, spend some time trying to understand it for you 2 1 2 2
Doc Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Gary Busey said: The cult is turning on Fauci No one is turning on him, at least here. What I do find frustrating/dumb is his insistence that we need to do controlled double-blind studies for months on HCQ/AZM as if a) these are new drugs, b) have shown little efficacy and c) we have all the time in the world. 2
Foxx Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 19 minutes ago, GG said: And you don't think there's a slightest bit of privacy concerns? Who tracks you whereabouts? How do they know who you were in contact with? How do they contact all the people you've been in contact with? your phone. 2 1
Nanker Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 6 hours ago, TPS said: I'm sure this was posted back when he said it, but a lot of people thought there was a lack of leadership... https://www.mediaite.com/news/cnbcs-jim-cramer-hits-trump-for-leisure-time-amid-dow-bloodbath-we-all-want-more-leadership-we-dont-want-golfing/ March 9th: “I think we all want more leadership,” Cramer said. “I think that we all want more test kits, if we’re going to just talk about health care. We all want the treasury secretary to come out and say ‘small businesses, we’ve got no-interest loans.’ We want to be able to take advantage of the curve … and be able to be ready. We don’t want golfing.” A CNBC colleague pointed out that the administration appears to be opting against that stance, with Trump advisor Larry Kudlow saying that the impact from the virus has been “contained.” “That may be an ill-advised position,” Cramer said. Now wait. You’ve been saying for weeks that Trump only cared about the markets and the Dow. How can this be?
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 19 minutes ago, GG said: And you don't think there's a slightest bit of privacy concerns? Who tracks you whereabouts? How do they know who you were in contact with? How do they contact all the people you've been in contact with? http://www.oleantimesherald.com/news/number-of-cattaraugus-county-positive-covid-19-cases-rises-to-5/article_4dabb02f-2ae2-5379-bce2-2c2af68dd798.html The man called the county Health Department after he developed a cough and shortness of breath and was tested on Thursday. The results were reported at 6 p.m. Friday. “He had traveled up to the Buffalo area,” Watkins said of the man, who has been placed under mandatory quarantine for two weeks at home with his family. “We will continue to watch him very closely for symptoms” that could require hospital treatment, Watkins said. That resident had recently visited New York City and the Buffalo area, according to local health officials. At last report, there are 38 residents in mandatory quarantine in their homes and 13 in precautionary quarantines in their homes. That number has grown since Saturday’s report. On Thursday, Cattaraugus County was the only Western New York county and a handfull in New York State not to report a confirmed case of COVID-19. An Allegany County woman who reported shortness of breath upon coming to the Olean General Hospital emergency room on Friday. She had earlier tested negative for influenza. http://www.oleantimesherald.com/coronavirus/state-union-oth-building-closed-after-covid--exposure/article_4ec884b7-f0e8-50e0-9b86-9049a1d5460c.html Email Print Save The Olean Times Herald’s offices remain closed to the public until further notice after exposure to an individual who has tested positive for the coronavirus. The building was closed as a precaution since Wednesday, with several employees working from home to get the last few day’s editions out. The positive test was confirmed on Monday. “We worked with the Cattaraugus County Health Department to identify all contacts the individual had in the building,” said editor Jim Eckstrom. “Everyone who had contact with the individual is in isolation at home, as deemed necessary by the health department, and they are being tested. Just sharing with you man. 1
BullBuchanan Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 22 minutes ago, Dante said: Nothing more than this years flu season with a psy op attached. This site has real reporting by actual citizens. Not the hyperbolic domestic terrorism that the MSM is shitting out. https://www.filmyourhospital.com/ Go to church.
BullBuchanan Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 19 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: 1. To use a chart comparing the number of cases in a population of 330 million directly with the number cases in a population of 60 million, or one of 50 million is ridiculous and serves absolutely no purpose. 2. To use the UAE with a population of 9 million and virtually no cases of significance as a foundation for your arguments is even more ridiculous. There are plenty of countries out there with substantial populations and cases with which to make your arguments. Unfortunately, they don't support you. We are running away from Italy because we have over 200,000 cases and they are starting to stabilize in the low 100,000 range? Even though they have 1842 cases per million compared to our 616 case per million - and 219 deaths per million compared to our 13.5 deaths per million Forget understanding the data for me, spend some time trying to understand it for you Ratios are ratios. Either they are climbing or they are not. Most of europe is stabilizing or growing at a reduced rate than we are. Ignore the overall numbers. You're cherry-picking which data is allowed and which isn't and I'm using the data as presented. The countries that test the most have the high rates of stopping the virus from spreading and stopping the virus from killing. Ignore it if you want, but you cant change the facts.
B-Man Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 35 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Just dropping by for your daily reminder that China is a filthy place, and is behind all this crap. 3 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Filed under "duh" 2 1
3rdnlng Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 Hedge posted this on January 24, 2020. China and WHO were still claiming that the virus could not be transferred between humans. I guess there must be bats in all those movie theaters. Steve Lookner ✔@lookner China is closing all of its movie theaters due to the virus outbreak h/t @newsfreak1984https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/chinas-cinemas-officially-close-response-coronavirus-outbreak-1272566 … China Shutters Nearly 70,000 Movie Theaters in Response to Coronavirus Outbreak China's cinemas — the most of any nation in the world by far — are going dark as the country grapples with the deadly virus epidemic. hollywoodreporter.com 122 12:51 AM - Jan 24, 2020 Twitter Ads info and privacy 84 people are talking about this 1 2
Kevbeau Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Ratios are ratios. Either they are climbing or they are not. Most of europe is stabilizing or growing at a reduced rate than we are. Ignore the overall numbers. You're cherry-picking which data is allowed and which isn't and I'm using the data as presented. The countries that test the most have the high rates of stopping the virus from spreading and stopping the virus from killing. Ignore it if you want, but you cant change the facts. He’s trying to tell you the data that you are citing is presented in a way that nobody with a lick of analytics background would take seriously. I understand what you’re arguing but what you’re presenting doesn’t support it. 3 1 1
billsfan1959 Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Ratios are ratios. Either they are climbing or they are not. Most of europe is stabilizing or growing at a reduced rate than we are. Ignore the overall numbers. You're cherry-picking which data is allowed and which isn't and I'm using the data as presented. The countries that test the most have the high rates of stopping the virus from spreading and stopping the virus from killing. Ignore it if you want, but you cant change the facts. Of course they are and we are about 10 days behind most of them. So, we will have more cases and more deaths before we start to stabilize and decline. That's not rocket science. I'm not cherry picking anything. When you look at our trajectory, our numbers more closely align with Germany than with the othe European countries - and it isn't just about testing. The fact is, I asked you to show me the countries, outside of South Korea, that are doing a better job at controlling the virus, because of testing, than the US. Your response is to give us... .....wait for it..... ....the UAE with their stunning success of having only 814 cases in a population of 9 million!!! Not Italy, Spain, Germany, the UK, etc....no, the UAE! Quite honestly, I am embarrassed for you Edited April 1, 2020 by billsfan1959 2
TPS Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: Nice. Very cute of you to cast those dispersions without completely committing to accusing any specific people. If you are going to claim something why don't you provide a quote? Your posting lately has become very similar to Tiberius's posting. While he will outright lie and then refuse to back it up in any way you will insinuate, thinking that no one will require you to prove it. I could easily find some, but I don't want to cast aspersions on anyone specifically.... Edited April 1, 2020 by TPS 1
3rdnlng Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 Heard on TV a little while ago that San Francisco was doing a good job because its citizens were distancing themselves from each other. They said it was only common sense. I'm saying it was caused by the common scents.
BullBuchanan Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Kevbeau said: He’s trying to tell you the data that you are citing is presented in a way that nobody with a lick of analytics background would take seriously. I understand what you’re arguing but what you’re presenting doesn’t support it. Why because the chart shows raw numbers? you can't ignore those and simply look at growth curves? There aren't ready made charts with the data you're looking for, but if we use our knowledge about the size of various countries we can ballpark other points.
Tiberius Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 The New York Times reported last week, “South Korea has tested far more people for the coronavirus than any other country, enabling it to isolate and treat many people soon after they are infected. The country has conducted over 300,000 tests, for a per-capita rate more than 40 times that of the United States.”
BullBuchanan Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Of course they are and we are about 10 days behind most of them. So, we will have more cases and more deaths before we start to stabilize and decline. That's not rocket science. I'm not cherry picking anything. When you look at our trajectory, our numbers more closely align with Germany than with the othe European countries - and it isn't just about testing. The fact is, I asked you to show me the countries, outside of South Korea, that are doing a better job at controlling the virus, because of testing, than the US. Your response is to give us... .....wait for it..... ....the UAE with their stunning success of having only 814 cases in a population of 9 million!!! Not Italy, Spain, Germany, the UK, etc....no, the UAE! Quite honestly, I am embarassed for you You don't like the SK example - got an excuse for that, don't like the Germany example, - got an excuse for that, don't like the UAE example - got an excuse for that. What example would you like? Israel, Japan? What other country has 330M people, is bordered by only two countries on the same continent and has the land mass that we have? Your argument, or lack thereof is pathetic.
keepthefaith Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 8 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Ratios are ratios. Either they are climbing or they are not. Most of europe is stabilizing or growing at a reduced rate than we are. Ignore the overall numbers. You're cherry-picking which data is allowed and which isn't and I'm using the data as presented. The countries that test the most have the high rates of stopping the virus from spreading and stopping the virus from killing. Ignore it if you want, but you cant change the facts. Most of the published numbers are garbage because countries have not tested equal portions of their populations or their entire populations so nobody knows how many cases really exist anywhere. The death count is the most relevant number and only if countries are reporting the real numbers.
billsfan1959 Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: The New York Times reported last week, “South Korea has tested far more people for the coronavirus than any other country, enabling it to isolate and treat many people soon after they are infected. The country has conducted over 300,000 tests, for a per-capita rate more than 40 times that of the United States.” Forget the fact that to equal that testing, per capita, we would have had to administer 2,000,000 tests to their 300,000...
Kevbeau Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Why because the chart shows raw numbers? you can't ignore those and simply look at growth curves? There aren't ready made charts with the data you're looking for, but if we use our knowledge about the size of various countries we can ballpark other points. Raw numbers can tell a story but when presenting different data series together, some sort of scaling function is required for comparison purposes. The chart you are citing has none so the slope of the lines mean nothing.
BullBuchanan Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 Just now, billsfan1959 said: Forget the fact that to equal that testing, per capita, we would have had to administer 2,000,000 tests to their 300,000... And?
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