Eli Manning: Will He Get Into Canton?

[dave mcbride]

21 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

.500 career winning percentage and (correct me if I'm wrong) never led the NFL in passing during his career.  No way.

Postseason counts -- and it should count.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yuck if he’s a first ballot HOF.  He was a stat complier.  He just played in a lot of games.  I know it’s a team stat but should a qb with a .500 record be a first ballot HOF?  This would be like Matt Stafford going to the HOF.  

 

If Stafford had two rings he would get in too. 

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yuck if he’s a first ballot HOF.  He was a stat complier.  He just played in a lot of games.  I know it’s a team stat but should a qb with a .500 record be a first ballot HOF?  This would be like Matt Stafford going to the HOF.  

The postseason: believe in it. It is, and should be, determinative in borderline cases. It's what the game is all about.

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

2 SB wins
 

How many Pro Bowls?

 

eventually if those are people’s criteria 

All pros is the way to go.but he never made one all pro and only 4 pro bowls in 16 years!  Was he ever in the conversation for a MVP?  
 

he will get in but he wasn’t that good.

[Lurker]

I voted yes. 

 

1.) It's becoming the Hall of the Very Good,  (2) he has two rings, (3) has a legacy name and (4) played in a high profile media market...

[Real McClappy]

He's easily going to the HOF. 1st ballot is the only real question here?

[jkeerie]

I remember him more fondly than Troy Aikman, who got in playing with a great offensive cast who are also in the HOF.  Eli won two SBs with a lesser offensive supporting cast.  I say yes.

[RobbRiddicksTDLeap]

He’s one of the best of his era. He has two all time great throws IN a super bowl, including the one that iced the perfect season. 
 

He deserves it based on the Tyree play alone. 

[dave mcbride]

3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yuck if he’s a first ballot HOF.  He was a stat complier.  He just played in a lot of games.  I know it’s a team stat but should a qb with a .500 record be a first ballot HOF?  This would be like Matt Stafford going to the HOF.  

 

Don't forget this game either. Many thought the 15-1 Packers were unbeatable in 2011. He lit them up in Lambeau. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201201150gnb.htm

 

In the postseason, his winning percentage was .667.

Edited January 22, 2020 by dave mcbride

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, Binghamton Beast said:

Eli Manning ***** on Matthew Stafford.

This isn’t even close to being right. MS’s stats are way better across the board.  2 lucky wild card runs saved Eli’s career. 

[dave mcbride]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

All pros is the way to go.but he never made one all pro and only 4 pro bowls in 16 years!  Was he ever in the conversation for a MVP?  
 

he will get in but he wasn’t that good.

Yes, he won two MVPs - in championship games against the greatest franchise in the modern era.

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

 

Don't forget this game either. Many thought the 15-1 Packers were unbeatable in 2011. He lit them up in Lambeau. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201201150gnb.htm

 

In the postseason, his winning percentage was .667.

Probably the best thing on his resume.  Good point. 

[dave mcbride]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

This isn’t even close to being right. MS’s stats are way better across the board.  2 lucky wild card runs saved Eli’s career. 

They weren't really lucky. He played well. 

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

They weren't really lucky. He played well. 

I guess I did forgot about that.  You’re right. He Joe Flacco’d those years.

 

so is Flacco a HOFer?  

4 minutes ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said:

He’s one of the best of his era. He has two all time great throws IN a super bowl, including the one that iced the perfect season. 
 

He deserves it based on the Tyree play alone. 

I think Dave’s made some good points about his postseason play.  But how many times was ELi consider a top 10 qb, much less top 5?  
 

 

[dave mcbride]

10 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I guess I did forgot about that.  You’re right. He Joe Flacco’d those years.

 

so is Flacco a HOFer?  

That's a good question. He really was a sensational postseason player (10-5) and 98-73 as a starter. He has over 40,000 yards.  That said, I doubt it. It's closer than you might think, though!  Also, if Lee Evans hangs on to the freaking ball, he may have had 2 rings. Also, @C.Biscuit97, Flacco has one of the greatest stat lines ever for a QB getting credited with a "win" in what was actually a total blowout of the Pats by the Ravens. Check out his passing stats in this game: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201001100nwe.htm

10 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I guess I did forgot about that.  You’re right. He Joe Flacco’d those years.

 

so is Flacco a HOFer?  

I think Dave’s made some good points about his postseason play.  But how many times was ELi consider a top 10 qb, much less top 5?  
 

 

Regular season? Maybe 2-3 seasons - 2011, 2012, and 2015. Maybe on the outer edge in 2008 too, but that's debatable. That's it, as far as I can tell. 

Edited January 22, 2020 by dave mcbride

[Big Turk]

Probably doesn't deserve to based on pure numbers but since voters love Super Bowl victories at starting QB I am pretty sure he will.

 

The HOF is cheapened by his inclusion tho IMHO

[billsfan89]

Eli Manning had two of the All-Time best playoff runs in NFL history. In 2007 he beat Tampa Bay away (Modest upset) and then upset Tony Romo and TO's Cowboys away, beat Brett Farve's last ride Packers teams in Lambo, and then upset  a 18-0 Pats team. All with clutch plays in each of those games to seal a victory. 

 

In 2011 Eli Beat Matt Ryan at home in round 1 (probably the only game in this 8 game stretch they were favored and the only one they were at home for), then beat a 15-1 Packers team that was the defending champs led by Aaron Rodgers with a stacked team in his prime, then went on the road to a very tough 49ers team led by Harbaugh's break out team, and then beat one of the stronger Pats teams who sported a great O-line, Gronk and Hernandez in a unique two tight end set along with Wes Welker at his best and Dion Branch who came back to have a decent season. 

 

Overall that's two of the best playoff runs I have ever seen a QB put together to go 8-0. I also think that Eli had some good years in the regular season and from 2005-2012 never had a losing season. Eli's career record from 2005 (his second season) to 2016 had a 107-85 record (a 56% winning percentage.) I think overall while his career in the regular season  is very Drew Bledsoe like you take a good but not great regular season resume and combine it with 2 spectacular all time great playoff runs I think you get a HOF player. 

[K-9]

33 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I got slack for it but I don’t think Gore is a HOFer.  How many years was Gore a dominant player?  The HOFer is supposed to be for the greatest players of all time. Gore and Eli aren’t close to the greatest players of all time.

That well may be the case, but the voters also value longevity and a consistent level of good play over time, especially when combined with all time statistics. There is simply no denying the fact that, great or not, Gore ranks third on the all time yardage list, well ahead of many of those all time greats. He’s the other end of the Sayers spectrum, if you will.

[Nihilarian]

While he played on some great teams he also played on some bad ones at the end. Just goes to show that you can have an elite QB and is he doesn't have the supporting cast around him it's just so hard to win. Just ask Matt Ryan the last two years. Or Aaron Rodgers 2017, 2018. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Yes he will get in.

No he doesn't deserve to be in the HOF. 

I also don't think Kurt Warner should be in the HOF. But if they put in Warner they will put in Eli