All_Pro_Bills Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 I think Detroit surprises and goes QB with Tagovailoa on the 3rd pick. Sure they have Stafford but after 11 years and $200M they've reached the playoffs 3 times and all 3 times lost in the wild card round. They can opt out of the remaining 2 years of his deal after 2020. Patricia knows from his NE experience that he needs a long term solution at QB and Stafford isn't it. When will they find themselves drafting this high again to get a top QB prospect? if they draft this high next year the HC knows he'll be out the door after 2020. This puts the Giants in a great spot to trade back. Maybe even with Miami if other teams want to jump up to #4 as QB's go off the board fast. They could drop back a few picks and still get the guy or one of the guys they are targeting and still add another pick or two. I'd be surprised if Jeudy lasts to the Denver pick. If he does Beane might try to move up and get him. Higgins would look good in the Bills line up too and filll a definite need at WR but I wouldn't be surprised if they go Edge or OLB here either.
thebandit27 Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Wait Wat? So how accurate is he historically then? Or is it more insight into how teams may be valuing players? Let me put it this way: if he mocks someone to a team like Baltimore or NYG—where he’s got a connection to the GM—you can more or less take it to the bank.
The Jokeman Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I think Shenalt will be a top 10 pick and is the only WR that I would trade up for. This guy is in the mold of WR type that I want to build my team around. He can help your team out in red zone, run blocking, 1st downs and he is a yac nightmare. This guy will demand a double team opening up other players as well, just one guy can do all this. If Shenalt runs anything in the 4.45 range he will skyrocket into the top 5. Wasn't this what most said about Sammy Watkins? Except that he lacked the ideal size of guys like AJ Green, Julio and other top WRs?
DCOrange Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 23 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: In high school he ran a 4.75; he better have improved that otherwise he won't be a 1st Rounder, I'd think he'd have to run at least a 4.5 NFL teams expect him to run in the 4.45-4.50 range
MAJBobby Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, DCOrange said: NFL teams expect him to run in the 4.45-4.50 range Higgins is a long strider and takes a bit to get to speed. But he doesn’t need to be 4.5 otherwise I don’t see him in the 1st round. I want to see his 3 cone numbers and short shuttles. Let me see if he can generate Space out of breaks. Otherwise you have a big guy that makes contested catches because he has to make contested catches because he can’t separate out of breaks. And that won’t work in NFL as seen over and over and over again. Edited January 21, 2020 by MAJBobby
Gambit Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 32 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I think Shenalt will be a top 10 pick and is the only WR that I would trade up for. This guy is in the mold of WR type that I want to build my team around. He can help your team out in red zone, run blocking, 1st downs and he is a yac nightmare. This guy will demand a double team opening up other players as well, just one guy can do all this. If Shenalt runs anything in the 4.45 range he will skyrocket into the top 5. With his injury history I highly doubt he goes top 10. That and I'd be shocked to see him go before Jeudy and Lamb.
MAJBobby Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 Just now, Gambit said: With his injury history I highly doubt he goes top 10. That and I'd be shocked to see him go before Jeudy and Lamb. Lamb and Jeudy should be the first two off board. I like Lamb a bit more than Jeudy. now after those two it becomes a little muddled with Higgins, Ruggs, Shenault. 2
DCOrange Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Higgins is a long strider and takes a bit to get to speed. But he doesn’t need to be 4.5 otherwise I don’t see him in the 1st round. I want to see his 3 cone numbers and short shuttles. Let me see if he can generate Space out of breaks. Otherwise you have a big guy that makes contested catches because he has to make contested catches because he can’t separate out of breaks. And that won’t work in NFL as seen over and over and over again. I wouldn't be shocked if he declines to run the cone/shuttle after what happened to DK.
Aussie Joe Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Wait Wat? Correction.. I searched out the article and it was Jawaan Taylor going to the Bills at 9 and not Cody Ford.. I got my OT's who ended up going in the 2nd Round confused.. He picks Ford to go to the Bengals at 11... If people are interested in how his first cut worked out last year, here is the link... Obviously he hadnt heard the rumours about Murray at this stage.. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001011490/article/daniel-jeremiah-mock-draft-10-kyler-murray-lands-with-patriots
MAJBobby Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, DCOrange said: I wouldn't be shocked if he declines to run the cone/shuttle after what happened to DK. and he will tumble as well. I don’t care about the 40 with him as much. He isn’t a speed guy so means nothing to me. Will watch his 10 yard split though want to see how long it takes to gear up. I will watch those Shuttle and 3 Cone times though. I don’t want another James Hardy a big guy that has to make a living making contested catches because he can generate zero separation out of cuts. he screams possession WR to me because doesn’t have the long speed IMO. But that is fine as long as he generates Separation out of cuts. Edited January 21, 2020 by MAJBobby
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 I may be in the minority but I wouldn't mind a couple receivers in this draft. This team will look markedly better with some guys who can make plays. We can get our edge guy in FA. Getting top end WRs in FA is gonna be tough, if not impossible, need to draft. 1
MAJBobby Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 Just now, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: I may be in the minority but I wouldn't mind a couple receivers in this draft. This team will look markedly better with some guys who can make plays. We can get our edge guy in FA. Getting top end WRs in FA is gonna be tough, if not impossible, need to draft. I am with you I want Bills to get Three WRs this offseason. One in UFA and 2 in draft. However I could be convinced only to double dip the draft and pass on the UFA 1
YoloinOhio Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) 56 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: In high school he ran a 4.75; he better have improved that otherwise he won't be a 1st Rounder, I'd think he'd have to run at least a 4.5 He ran faster than that at Ohio state’s camp while he was in HS. They wanted him bad. Not saying he’s the fastest guy in the draft but that’s not really his, he’s a contested point of catch guy with elite ball skills. Edited January 21, 2020 by YoloinOhio
MAJBobby Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 Just now, YoloinOhio said: He ran faster than that at Ohio state’s camp. They wanted him bad. Not saying he’s the fastest guy in the draft but that’s not really his game, he’s a contested point of catch guy. Not enough imo. While the long speed I won’t really be watching with concern. The 10 yard split and 3 Cone and Shuttle are the most important numbers for him. he has to show enough quickness to have teams project ability to separate out of breaks.
The Jokeman Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He ran faster than that at Ohio state’s camp while he was in HS. They wanted him bad. Not saying he’s the fastest guy in the draft but that’s not really his, he’s a contested point of catch guy with elite ball skills. If he can develop into a Kenny Golladay I'd be more than happy yet I think we be better off with an Edge Rusher and getting someone like Michael Pittman Jr in Round 2.
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I am with you I want Bills to get Three WRs this offseason. One in UFA and 2 in draft. However I could be convinced only to double dip the draft and pass on the UFA Agreed we should not come out of this offseason short on playmakers. There is no excuse for that to happen. Don't put all your eggs in one receiver and take him in round 2 just because he fell. Be redundant with playmakers and make sure.
MAJBobby Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 Just now, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: Agreed we should not come out of this offseason short on playmakers. There is no excuse for that to happen. Don't put all your eggs in one receiver and take him in round 2 just because he fell. Be redundant with playmakers and make sure. Agree and the UFA as well. Because the reality is we have 2 NFL quality WRs out of 6. same with TEs we MIGHT have 1 legit one out of 4 and RB ooo well can always find RB
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 1 minute ago, The Jokeman said: If he can develop into a Kenny Golladay I'd be more than happy yet I think we be better off with an Edge Rusher and getting someone like Michael Pittman Jr in Round 2. Disagree. And what if that 2nd round receiver isn't a help this year or never is?
DCOrange Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He ran faster than that at Ohio state’s camp while he was in HS. They wanted him bad. Not saying he’s the fastest guy in the draft but that’s not really his, he’s a contested point of catch guy with elite ball skills. I've only seen a handful of his games and have been kinda lukewarm on him in general; you think he might be able to be like a Vincent Jackson type maybe if he develops the right way?
The Jokeman Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: Disagree. And what if that 2nd round receiver isn't a help this year or never is? Then we look for a WR in 2022, again it's collecting the best group of players and with WR depth in this draft being better than most I think you can afford to wait to take one. 2 minutes ago, DCOrange said: I've only seen a handful of his games and have been kinda lukewarm on him in general; you think he might be able to be like a Vincent Jackson type maybe if he develops the right way? If we keep our 9 picks I have no issues double dipping on WR. Round 2 and Round 6 ideally. Edited January 21, 2020 by The Jokeman
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