Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Just saw that he’s the first Bills specialist to go to the pro bowl since 2004. Who was it? Moorman? McGhee? Leodis? i geuss even though he was first team all pro in 2012, no pro bowl Edited January 21, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood
YoloinOhio Posted January 21, 2020 Author Posted January 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Leodis? I looked up McGee and he did make it in ‘04 so must be him. They must have been referring to return specialist and not overall ST because as someone else pointed out moorman made it multiple times after 2004.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said: But I read here that he sucks I’m not sure you read that. I suspect what you should have read was a question on how much an all pro returner helps the offense versus a body that can do almost the same but can actually play wr
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 14 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: What we really need is Legit WRs with more than ONE Skillset at WR1 WR4 WR5 We have too many ONE skillset WRs on this Roster Which is why I like Shenault in round 1. He can Be McKenzie with the Jet Sweeps and out of the backfield. He can be physical and high point (Duke Williams) And he has Speed (Foster) will time in the low 4.4s to 4.3s Now you have ONE WR that has the Skill sets of currently 3. Now you can still go get those single Skill Set WRs for WR 4 and WR5. but I would rather get WRs with more than 1 Skill Set This is Straight Dope. A lot of what Daboll has been fighting is how to keep defenses off balance, while swapping personnel to put different skills on the field. The results have not been ideal.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I looked up McGee and he did make it in ‘04 so must be him. They must have been referring to return specialist and not overall ST because as someone else pointed out moorman made it multiple times after 2004. yeah leodis was first team all pro returner in 2012 but no pro bowl for him. McGee ... was 04 the year of that 99.9 yards kickoff return for no points? Edited January 21, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood
MAJBobby Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This is Straight Dope. A lot of what Daboll has been fighting is how to keep defenses off balance, while swapping personnel to put different skills on the field. The results have not been ideal. By the end of the season is had the reverse effect. Teams knew when McKenzie was on the field look for misdirection, motion and jet sweep stuff. Foster look for Bills to attack Vertically. the one skill set WRs made this offense very predictable by the end of the season
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 Just now, MAJBobby said: By the end of the season is had the reverse effect. Teams knew when McKenzie was on the field look for misdirection, motion and jet sweep stuff. Foster look for Bills to attack Vertically. the one skill set WRs made this offense very predictable by the end of the season Yes, that's exactly what I meant by saying "a lot of what Daboll has been fighting" - fighting the "tell" that swapping personnel provides to a D. The Bills tried through the season to expand both McKensie's and Foster's roles and had better success with McKensie than with Foster in an expanded WR role. But it wasn't good.
MAJBobby Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Yes, that's exactly what I meant by saying "a lot of what Daboll has been fighting" - fighting the "tell" that swapping personnel provides to a D. The Bills tried through the season to expand both McKensie's and Foster's roles and had better success with McKensie than with Foster in an expanded WR role. But it wasn't good. agree that is why a talent like Shenault is a better fit than another one skill WR. Not saying Higgins is that. But looking at DJ reasoning sure looks it. because now Entire offense available without having to take Shenault off the field. Edited January 21, 2020 by MAJBobby 2
RyanC883 Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 this is interesting. Roberts may never touch the ball given that the NFL is testing out new "kickoff" rules at the ProBowl. If I'm a ProBowl coach, I'm going "onside" a couple times. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001098234/article/nfl-to-test-out-two-potential-rule-changes-in-pro-bowl
Warcodered Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 13 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: this is interesting. Roberts may never touch the ball given that the NFL is testing out new "kickoff" rules at the ProBowl. If I'm a ProBowl coach, I'm going "onside" a couple times. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001098234/article/nfl-to-test-out-two-potential-rule-changes-in-pro-bowl There are still punt returns but I don't hate that new idea.
Buffalo Junction Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 28 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: By the end of the season is had the reverse effect. Teams knew when McKenzie was on the field look for misdirection, motion and jet sweep stuff. Foster look for Bills to attack Vertically. the one skill set WRs made this offense very predictable by the end of the season Which blew my mind, because the few times they ran jet sweeps with Foster, Knox, Roberts, etc they were effective. Any rational person would have gone back to the well for more.
Dopey Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 2 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Yeah we need a 6th WR spot for a just a guy, that 6th WR that is currently playing in the ProBowl. Keep dreaming. My bad, I should have mentioned this post was meant to be sarcastic. I believe I'm one of Duke's biggest detractors. I keep Andre over Duke all day, every day.
machine gun kelly Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Dopey said: He won't be back next year. We need that spot for Duke. disagree. Foster will be gone. We want that field position. Shorter the field the easier our suspect offense scores. If the Jets game mattered, we would have been 11-5.
Dopey Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: disagree. Foster will be gone. We want that field position. Shorter the field the easier our suspect offense scores. If the Jets game mattered, we would have been 11-5. Again, my bad for not making it clear I was being sarcastic. Big Duke detractor that I am, I would prefer him over Foster. Only Foster. My hope is we upgrade enough to where both are expendable.
machine gun kelly Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 Dopey, no worries bud. Have a good day, and hopefully we not only keep Williams, but ad some depth to see who is the next top line up. 1
Formerly Allan in MD Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, DCOrange said: I think pretty much everyone would agree that he's a good returner. Right, he really tore it up this season. I'm referring to the press clipping. Edited January 21, 2020 by Formerly Allan in MD
SmokinES3 Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 6 hours ago, RyanC883 said: this is interesting. Roberts may never touch the ball given that the NFL is testing out new "kickoff" rules at the ProBowl. If I'm a ProBowl coach, I'm going "onside" a couple times. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001098234/article/nfl-to-test-out-two-potential-rule-changes-in-pro-bowl That sounds horrendous. The kickoff return was once the most exciting play in football. It's already been neutered, now they'll drag it out back and put one between the ears. Sad.
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 Se the AFC QB's were Watkins, Jackson and.... Mahomes but he's out so see Tannerhill took his spot. Wonder how far down the voting Allen was? Personally if I were a fan watching game, would rather see Allen than Tannerhill as he's certainly more exciting to watch. I'm sure there will deafening oohs and ahhs watching Tannerhill's play action fakes
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 7 hours ago, MAJBobby said: By the end of the season is had the reverse effect. Teams knew when McKenzie was on the field look for misdirection, motion and jet sweep stuff. Foster look for Bills to attack Vertically. the one skill set WRs made this offense very predictable by the end of the season Right seems like lots players are one skilled it's areas. It is much easier to defend when things are simple.
NoSaint Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 10 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Two Tres and a Dre at the Pro Bowl! 664 return yards underscores how little value the position has. That’s 41 yards per game when taking a knee (or tossing the ball at the ref) gets you 25 12 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Se the AFC QB's were Watkins, Jackson and.... Mahomes but he's out so see Tannerhill took his spot. Wonder how far down the voting Allen was? Personally if I were a fan watching game, would rather see Allen than Tannerhill as he's certainly more exciting to watch. I'm sure there will deafening oohs and ahhs watching Tannerhill's play action fakes I’m all about Tannehill getting the feather in his cap come payday. Not a big deal but let some team pay him for the honor instead of josh getting the bump.
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