Saxum Posted January 18, 2020 Posted January 18, 2020 They should look to copy the Bills — yes, the Bills — during their rebuild https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/redskins-should-look-copy-bills-yes-bills-during-their-rebuild Quote d so far, it's working well, as the Bills have reached the postseason two out of the three years under McDermott and Beane and just won 10 contests for the first time since 1999. So, if the ******** want to model their rebuild after someone, Buffalo is a fit — especially considering how the former is already following in the latter's coach-centric approach. Expand Quote Ron Rivera has been the Burgundy and Gold's head man for less than a month, but he's already drastically altered so much about Washington's operations. So far, Rivera's contributed to changes on the offensive and defensive coaching staffs, as well as the front office and training staff. Expand Quote That's another aspect of McDermott and Beane's early success with the Bills. According to Skurski, they looked to move on from guys who were more focused on personal achievements, such as Sammy Watkins and LeSean McCoy, and add more selfless ones, like Frank Gore. "It is definitely a team-first approach with these guys," Skurski said. "There are not a lot of individuals on this team." Expand McCoy? I agree about Sammy but not LeSean. They moved on from selfish players early in process not later. They moved on from him for mostly inactive T.J. Yeldon but that was not reason.
Formerly Allan in MD Posted January 18, 2020 Posted January 18, 2020 The Bills model does not include an owner determined to meddle and make all the calls, and become a highlight (or is it lowlight?) real in and of himself. Rivera et al may quickly become disillusioned just like so many others that preceded them.
NoSaint Posted January 18, 2020 Posted January 18, 2020 On 1/18/2020 at 5:07 PM, Limeaid said: They should look to copy the Bills — yes, the Bills — during their rebuild https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/redskins-should-look-copy-bills-yes-bills-during-their-rebuild McCoy? I agree about Sammy but not LeSean. They moved on from selfish players early in process not later. They moved on from him for mostly inactive T.J. Yeldon but that was not reason. Expand if they thought shady was all in for the team he would’ve beat gore out. I think they were genuinely concerned about him mentoring DS if he was getting more touches 1 1
Trekking Posted January 18, 2020 Posted January 18, 2020 On 1/18/2020 at 5:07 PM, Limeaid said: They should look to copy the Bills — yes, the Bills — during their rebuild https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/redskins-should-look-copy-bills-yes-bills-during-their-rebuild McCoy? I agree about Sammy but not LeSean. They moved on from selfish players early in process not later. They moved on from him for mostly inactive T.J. Yeldon but that was not reason. Expand McCoy would have not been happy backing up Singletary 3
Don Otreply Posted January 18, 2020 Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) It’s hopeless, it’s Snyderville, resistance is futile, this is likely the beginning of the end of River boat Ron’s career as a NFL head coach, working as a head coach there is a stain on any coaches resume while Snyder has been the owner, jmo. Edited January 18, 2020 by Don Otreply
Rochesterfan Posted January 18, 2020 Posted January 18, 2020 On 1/18/2020 at 5:07 PM, Limeaid said: They should look to copy the Bills — yes, the Bills — during their rebuild https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/redskins-should-look-copy-bills-yes-bills-during-their-rebuild McCoy? I agree about Sammy but not LeSean. They moved on from selfish players early in process not later. They moved on from him for mostly inactive T.J. Yeldon but that was not reason. Expand Totally McCoy. They were very concerned about mentorship or Devin. I think they wanted a pure professional as his mentor. 1
Chaos Posted January 18, 2020 Posted January 18, 2020 If you can simply copy a model why not the chiefs or ravens instead of the Bills?
Saxum Posted January 18, 2020 Author Posted January 18, 2020 On 1/18/2020 at 6:41 PM, Chaos said: If you can simply copy a model why not the chiefs or ravens instead of the Bills? Expand Likely because he has worked with Coach McD and will fit him more.
Chaos Posted January 18, 2020 Posted January 18, 2020 On 1/18/2020 at 6:51 PM, Limeaid said: Likely because he has worked with Coach McD and will fit him more. Expand It was a rhetorical question.
Boatdrinks Posted January 18, 2020 Posted January 18, 2020 On 1/18/2020 at 6:41 PM, Chaos said: If you can simply copy a model why not the chiefs or ravens instead of the Bills? Expand The Chiefs were already pretty good when they drafted Mahomes. Not sure what kind of blueprint that is except for drafting a QB high. The Ravens have been successful during John Harbaugh's tenure as well. He’s got playoff appearances, wins and a worlds championship under his belt. Those teams were at most reloading, not rebuilding. The Bills were mired in a run of mediocrity dating back to the 2000 season. While some Bills fans may not want to admit it, McD and Beane have done a lot of things the right way. They are reshaping the Bills with a model designed for long term success. 2 2
eball Posted January 18, 2020 Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) On 1/18/2020 at 6:41 PM, Chaos said: If you can simply copy a model why not the chiefs or ravens instead of the Bills? Expand Chiefs model: hire a very good veteran HC and draft a QB (when you didn't really need one) who may be a generational talent Ravens model: keep a very good HC and get an OC who specializes in a game plan for a dynamic but limited QB Do those sound easily copy-able? Some of our "fans" love to critique Beane and McDermott, saying they "don't know anything about offense" and "the rebuild took too long" but those outside Bills fandom actually can see and appreciate the approach Buffalo has taken when they didn't have a proven HC or QB ready to go and had a lot of roster mess to clean up. Edited January 18, 2020 by eball 6 1 1
Boatdrinks Posted January 18, 2020 Posted January 18, 2020 On 1/18/2020 at 5:59 PM, Trekking said: McCoy would have not been happy backing up Singletary Expand Maybe not. However, one could argue that McCoy may have ended up getting more carries than Singletary, the way that things played out this season. On 1/18/2020 at 7:25 PM, eball said: Chiefs model: hire a very good veteran HC and draft a QB (when you didn't really need one) who may be a generational talent Ravens model: keep a very good HC and get an OC who specializes in a game plan for a dynamic but limited QB Do those sound easily copy-able? Some of our "fans" love to critique Beane and McDermott, saying they "don't know anything about offense" and "the rebuild took too long" but those outside Bills fandom actually can see and appreciate the approach Buffalo has taken when they didn't have a proven HC ready to go and had a lot of roster mess to clean up. Expand Exactly. The Redskins are closer to where the Bills had been as a franchise than KC or Baltimore. The Ravens have designed a gimmicky offense in a college style around a style of QB that doesn’t have a history of long term NFL success. It’s not hard to see why the writer would specify the Bills as a repeatable model to follow.
Chaos Posted January 18, 2020 Posted January 18, 2020 On 1/18/2020 at 7:25 PM, eball said: Chiefs model: hire a very good veteran HC and draft a QB (when you didn't really need one) who may be a generational talent Ravens model: keep a very good HC and get an OC who specializes in a game plan for a dynamic but limited QB Do those sound easily copy-able? Some of our "fans" love to critique Beane and McDermott, saying they "don't know anything about offense" and "the rebuild took too long" but those outside Bills fandom actually can see and appreciate the approach Buffalo has taken when they didn't have a proven HC or QB ready to go and had a lot of roster mess to clean up. Expand no one can copy what anyone else did. In this case Rivera is a head coach who has been to the super bowl. Much different than a first time HC. So the redskins are already way off course.
HOUSE Posted January 18, 2020 Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) OMG, copy the Buffalo Bills ? Edited January 18, 2020 by HOUSE 3
Boatdrinks Posted January 18, 2020 Posted January 18, 2020 On 1/18/2020 at 7:57 PM, Chaos said: no one can copy what anyone else did. In this case Rivera is a head coach who has been to the super bowl. Much different than a first time HC. So the redskins are already way off course. Expand That’s not what it’s about, an experienced HC vs a first time etc. While no one can copy something else exactly, the NFL has long been considered a “ copycat league “. Teams look to others for things that have worked. Anyway, you are missing the big picture by getting hung up on small specifics. What the Bills have done is eschewed egocentric , selfish players in favor of those who buy in to the team concept. They’ve cleaned up their cap situation, to set themselves up for long term success, rather than follow the often tried ( but rarely successful ) model of buying a championship. The Redskins come to mind as a franchise that has tried this in the past. It’s about changing how a franchise operates from the ground up, a change in corporate culture. It’s not about window - dressing type elements, such as “ hire a name HC that’s been to a Super Bowl” and so on. 1
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 18, 2020 Posted January 18, 2020 More and more we are seeing HC hires and then they help with the GM search and ultimate hiring. It has worked for the Bills. Having two people on the same page in regards To philosophy and approach is huge. I at first didn’t totally agree with it but I have come around. Coach comes in an interviews and describes what he wants to run and type of players etc. important for the GM to share the vision and belief, not just be told ‘go find me guys who fit a 3-4 or 4-3 defense’.
Boatdrinks Posted January 18, 2020 Posted January 18, 2020 On 1/18/2020 at 8:23 PM, atlbillsfan1975 said: More and more we are seeing HC hires and then they help with the GM search and ultimate hiring. It has worked for the Bills. Having two people on the same page in regards To philosophy and approach is huge. I at first didn’t totally agree with it but I have come around. Coach comes in an interviews and describes what he wants to run and type of players etc. important for the GM to share the vision and belief, not just be told ‘go find me guys who fit a 3-4 or 4-3 defense’. Expand While it can work, and has worked for the Bills I still view it as somewhat of a tactical error by the Pegulas. At best , they waited too long to dismiss Whaley once McD was hired. They really missed out on getting their QB earlier ( and a more NFL ready one at that) by doing this backwards. McDermott and Beane still may ultimately be a success, but Beane should have been in place before the 2017 draft. 2
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 18, 2020 Posted January 18, 2020 On 1/18/2020 at 8:37 PM, Boatdrinks said: While it can work, and has worked for the Bills I still view it as somewhat of a tactical error by the Pegulas. At best , they waited too long to dismiss Whaley once McD was hired. They really missed out on getting their QB earlier ( and a more NFL ready one at that) by doing this backwards. McDermott and Beane still may ultimately be a success, but Beane should have been in place before the 2017 draft. Expand I don’t think I agree totally on the premise that they missed out on their QB. I am sure you are going to say Mahomes or Watson, but neither of those QB’s has won a SB yet. I think that’s Beane and McDermott’s goal.
MJS Posted January 18, 2020 Posted January 18, 2020 On 1/18/2020 at 6:41 PM, Chaos said: If you can simply copy a model why not the chiefs or ravens instead of the Bills? Expand Neither of them really had to rebuild. Just retool.
benderbender Posted January 18, 2020 Posted January 18, 2020 On 1/18/2020 at 9:02 PM, MJS said: Neither of them really had to rebuild. Just retool. Expand ReTuel 3 1
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