RiotAct Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said: They may need to take out a loan from such a huge investment. I mean, I definitely would if I was on the hook for paying Roberts’ salary!
Max Fischer Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 After the Chiefs - Texans game we should never again debate the value of Andre Roberts. Andre is extremely reliable and those stats just add cream to the top. 3
eSJayDee Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 Somewhat (pleasantly) surprised. My feeling is that many times he would have been better off downing more & taking the 25. I'll also interject that the graph would be better served if the Y axis were reversed (say %age not returned). Then it would essentially be an efficient frontier thing.
billykay Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, Max Fischer said: After the Chiefs - Texans game we should never again debate the value of Andre Roberts. Andre is extremely reliable and those stats just add cream to the top. Roberts is a good returner - no question. I think the problem some people have is that he has a roster spot that could be used for someone else. Imo, he does his job, is reliable & hopefully every now & then will bust a long one.
Billl Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 12 minutes ago, TPS said: It looks like Denver's KO return man was the top returner. He was very discerning about when to return (about 27% of returnable kicks), and when he did, he average almost 5 yards past the 25. The Bengals had the best returner according to the chart. Denver's stats are inflated by cherry picking the times he returned it. Cincinnati averaged about half a yard fewer but had twice as many returns. Every one that didn't get returned started at the 25.
Max Fischer Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 1 minute ago, billykay said: Roberts is a good returner - no question. I think the problem some people have is that he has a roster spot that could be used for someone else. Imo, he does his job, is reliable & hopefully every now & then will bust a long one. Should be easier to accept if fans think of Roberts as a specialist: Long snapper, kicker, punter, etc. We don't expect Ferguson to be a center, he's the long snapper. I'll never understand why reliable returners are so undervalued when each week is littered with losses due to poor special teams. 2
Charles Romes Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 Not having heart palpitations every time your KR fields a kick is a huge plus 6
GG Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 Not sure why people were down on Roberts. He was brought in for a specific position. His "WR" role should never have been brought into the conversation
DCOrange Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Max Fischer said: Should be easier to accept if fans think of Roberts as a specialist: Long snapper, kicker, punter, etc. We don't expect Ferguson to be a center, he's the long snapper. I'll never understand why reliable returners are so undervalued when each week is littered with losses due to poor special teams. I think that's really the point though; being against the idea of having unnecessary specialists. No doubt Roberts is a good returner, but we have a roster that literally had 2 or maybe 3 useful WRs and part of that is because we had to use a roster spot on a guy that basically gave us a couple extra yards the couple times per game he touched the ball. It's just not a good use of limited resources in my opinion. Obviously to that same point, we had 5 or 6 WRs on the roster and only a couple of them could really do anything, so there's just as good a chance that the guy we replace Roberts with would have been relatively useless too, but I'd rather just have the extra roster spot personally. Edited January 15, 2020 by DCOrange
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) Interesting. Isn’t the right question How his ~3 yards average contribution on half the drives starting after kick offs, which with this defense I’m guessing is like, ~1 yard per drive on average contribution, more valuable than a legitimate WR(and average KR or guy already on roster elsewhere) that might Contribute more average yards per drive, just less from kickoffs? wow that’s confusing... you know what I mean Edited January 15, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood 1
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 37 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said: Why are we using data when the eyeball test clearly show the Bills are terrible? Good find, thanks. you clearly don’t know anything about analytics. The NY Giants crackpot analytics team actually agrees with our signing, and that says a lot:
GG Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 Just now, ScottLaw said: Just hope next year they have 5 good options ahead of Roberts because he's useless as a reciever. He was never meant to be a regular receiver. Look at his career stats. The only reason he was thrust into the role was due to failures by Zay and Foster.
Formerly Allan in MD Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 He played like he did for the Redskins; nothing special.
JESSEFEFFER Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 There were some days at New Era where punt catching was obviously a difficult thing. He made it look easy. i don't know what that chart shows but Andre handled most all the tough balls in bad weather and without much space so easily that it's easy to dismiss his contribution. But someone in that job who can't handle tough circumstances and we would all notice the muffs and/or balls that are not caught and are allowed to bounce and roll for 10 or 15 more yards.
Max Fischer Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, DCOrange said: I think that's really the point though; being against the idea of having unnecessary specialists. No doubt Roberts is a good returner, but we have a roster that literally had 2 or maybe 3 useful WRs and part of that is because we had to use a roster spot on a guy that basically gave us a couple extra yards the couple times per game he touched the ball. It's just not a good use of limited resources in my opinion. Obviously to that same point, we had 5 or 6 WRs on the roster and only a couple of them could really do anything, so there's just as good a chance that the guy we replace Roberts with would have been relatively useless too, but I'd rather just have the extra roster spot personally. For me (and suspect the Bills staff) looks at the current roster like this: Roberts/Extremely Reliable Returner>>>>>>>>>>>>>>WR5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>WR6 1
17islongenough Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Max Fischer said: For me (and suspect the Bills staff) looks at the current roster like this: Roberts/Extremely Reliable Returner>>>>>>>>>>>>>>WR5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>WR6 What would another WR have done? They had Foster who did nothing all year. The WR6 would most likely have been on the bench. At least they get something out of Roberts. 1
Cruiserplayer Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 #3 in aggressiveness and #3 in effectiveness with zero turnovers is as solid as you can get.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said: There were some days at New Era where punt catching was obviously a difficult thing. He made it look easy. i don't know what that chart shows but Andre handled most all the tough balls in bad weather and without much space so easily that it's easy to dismiss his contribution. But someone in that job who can't handle tough circumstances and we would all notice the muffs and/or balls that are not caught and are allowed to bounce and roll for 10 or 15 more yards. Hyde is a great punt catcher.... also only KR for TD Edited January 15, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood
Max Fischer Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, 17islongenough said: What would another WR have done? They had Foster who did nothing all year. The WR6 would most likely have been on the bench. At least they get something out of Roberts. Uh, that post means we agree. 4 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Hyde is a great punt catcher Agree, he's excellent but glad Hyde no longer has that injury risk.
17islongenough Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, Max Fischer said: Uh, that post means we agree. Agree, he's excellent but glad Hyde no longer has that injury risk. Correct, just chose yours to quote.
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