Penn State 1st Round Hopeful, Gross-Matos named in Federal Hazing Lawsuit.

[par73]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Penn State--->State pen

 

Perv State.

Yup-- they have a long history of hazing offenses in "Happy Valley." The place is blatantly perverted, with the HC cheering them on.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

You never hears of teabagging? Sure, it sounds crazy out of context, but ive seen that in multiple places-high school, hockey, the frat.  Also, remember the movie Waiting? The ball sack game? That falls under the heading of hazing now. Its just horseplay. 

 

Funny, I always thought horseplay was something like grabbing someone around the neck and rubbing their hair or giving them a noogie or stuffing snow down their shirt collar or maybe a smack on the clothed butt or hiding their cleats or squirting them with Gatorade or something like that.

 

I didn't realize that “direct contact with an intimate body part constitutes one of the most severe forms of sexual harassment” on the job but is "just horseplay" in the locker room.

 

I think that's BS myself.  Being common in your experience doesn't make it right.  I'll spare the board my list of institutions where outrageous conduct was once common but is clearly still outrageous, and not too pretty to defend. 

1 hour ago, jimmy10 said:

They should have burned that program to the ground and salted the earth years ago. 

 

Apparently so. 

[Reed83HOF]

the only time teabagging is acceptable - because seriously F that guy in PVP

 

In real life; people still do that - grow up

Edited January 15, 2020 by Reed83HOF

[london_bills]

7 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28484451/former-nittany-lions-player-files-federal-lawsuit-james-franklin-penn-state-hazing?platform=amp&__twitter_impression=true

 

“The suit alleges that Humphries was subject to hazing brought on by Barber, linebacker Micah Parsons, defensive lineman Yetur Gross-Matos and linebacker Jesse Luketa and that the coaching staff was aware of the hazing and did not protect Humphries.”

 

 

doesn’t scream “process” and family to me. 

Basic bullying 

[jkx2]

7 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

My bad, switch that. I meant Gross-Matos. Franklin was the one named. I didn't proof my response. 

 

Also, super random to call my a Penn St. fan. I don't really know what to do with that.  I just think the anti-hazing movement is silly.  

Yeah, it's to bad you can't pull a full Ned Beatty on anybody these days. Snowflakes. 

Quote: "perpetrators would allegedly steal victims' clothes and wrestle them to the ground while shoving their genitalia on their face or between their buttocks"

[Buffalo86]

We can't have some rookie coming into the locker room and teabagging the veterans.  We'd be the laughingstock of the league!

[John in Jax]

The most shocking thing about all of this is that this thread hasn't been locked down yet! ?

 

As for the "hazing", as others have said, it's a way different world than it was even 10 years ago, so a lot of the things us oldsters grew up with, and shrugged them off as "initiation rites" and/or harmless, now cause many snowflakes to need therapy or file lawsuits.

[MAJBobby]

1 hour ago, John in Jax said:

The most shocking thing about all of this is that this thread hasn't been locked down yet! ?

 

As for the "hazing", as others have said, it's a way different world than it was even 10 years ago, so a lot of the things us oldsters grew up with, and shrugged them off as "initiation rites" and/or harmless, now cause many snowflakes to need therapy or file lawsuits.

ok Boomer 

[LB3]

14 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Have you guys really never heard of this? This isnt even close to the worst kind of hazing. 

I was in a frat in the early aughts. Stuff like nutchecks or teabagging  always seemed silly to me, but not like assault. I think average hazing like getting yelled at while doing lots of cardio/pushups or having eggs broke over your head is pretty normal and harmless. I think most people just hear hazing and think of the extreme stories where kids get raped by brooms or take serious beatings. That stuff shouldn't be acceptable.

 

All that said, a lot of reactions in this thread reminded me of this.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, John in Jax said:

The most shocking thing about all of this is that this thread hasn't been locked down yet! ?

 

As for the "hazing", as others have said, it's a way different world than it was even 10 years ago, so a lot of the things us oldsters grew up with, and shrugged them off as "initiation rites" and/or harmless, now cause many snowflakes to need therapy or file lawsuits.

 

Yeah, really bad take.  Even back in the day when kids walked uphill to school through the snow both ways, kids on the receiving end did not always "shrug them off as initiation rites and/or harmless".  They may have had or perceived themselves as having little or no recourse, but that doesn't mean it had no effect. 

 

See some of the reports on survivors of Victorian Union Workhouses, Irish Industrial Schools, Canadian Barnardo Schools, and for that matter the Catholic church in general.

 

[CBennett]

Im so glad i didnt grow up in this SOFT generation we are currently raising. I dont know what if anything happened and how serious it was i wish i knew so that I could seriously either say man that was WRONG   OR say man GTFO with this current day weak sauce mental frailty *****...but since I dont know I cant make a true statement on what I think. 

 

There is stuff that I would say is "mild" like shaving cream in a helmet,singing a song for the team, having to carry around a Senior players helmet,etc,etc

 

Then there is the more egregious physical stuff that really shouldn't be happening anymore

 

I remember the shaving creme in my helmet, i remember carrying around someone helmet and pads through training camp/2 a days, I remember atomic balm in the jock strap...thats about as far as ours got though..

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, CBennett said:

Im so glad i didnt grow up in this SOFT generation we are currently raising. I dont know what if anything happened and how serious it was i wish i knew so that I could seriously either say man that was WRONG   OR say man GTFO with this current day weak sauce mental frailty *****...but since I dont know I cant make a true statement on what I think. 

 

There is stuff that I would say is "mild" like shaving cream in a helmet,singing a song for the team, having to carry around a Senior players helmet,etc,etc

 

Then there is the more egregious physical stuff that really shouldn't be happening anymore

 

I remember the shaving creme in my helmet, i remember carrying around someone helmet and pads through training camp/2 a days, I remember atomic balm in the jock strap...thats about as far as ours got though..

so if your generation wasn’t fine with dropping nuts on your Chin would you be calling them soft?  Or would your generation be ok with Nuts being dropped on your chin?

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, John in Jax said:

The most shocking thing about all of this is that this thread hasn't been locked down yet! ?

 

As for the "hazing", as others have said, it's a way different world than it was even 10 years ago, so a lot of the things us oldsters grew up with, and shrugged them off as "initiation rites" and/or harmless, now cause many snowflakes to need therapy or file lawsuits.

 

How many years before the stench of all those rancid taints and scrotums wore off the typical "oldster's" chin?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

35 minutes ago, CBennett said:

Then there is the more egregious physical stuff that really shouldn't be happening anymore

 

 

 

There's truth in this. Generally, anything that could cause physical harm shouldn't be allowed. But there IS an element in this society that wants ANYTHING remotely hazinglike removed from society because, well, they think they know better than everyone else.

 

 

 

[CuseBill]

Just finished reading this thread and I'm shocked that in 2020 there are still people (yeah I'm looking at you JoshAllenHasBigHands), from whatever generation, who still think various forms of sexual harassment are mild forms of hazing.  Sexual harassment is sexual harassment.  Hazing is hazing.  Like Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart wrote about pornography, I may not know how to define it but I know it when I see it.  I guess you missed that day of Constitutional Law class at the highly ranked (sarcasm) Syracuse University College of Law.  Under what circumstances is "teabagging" a teammate ever acceptable?  I participated in high school sports, including football, and I have coached high school sports, including football, for many years, and I have never seen any form of hazing.  You know why, because the intelligent adults in the room made it clear that it would not be permitted or tolerated in any form!  I sure am glad that no one who ever coached my kids thought hazing, in any form, was okay.

[badassgixxer05]

Yeah, this doesn't sound like hazing, sounds like sexual assault to me. Is this really what kids do these days? Some weird *****. Can't ever say I've had the urge to put my genitals on another man, especially against his will.. lol

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Just flat out sick if true, and shows that more rot needs to be excised from that program—this is the exact opposite of ‘team building’ or high character development to point out the obvious. Responsibility for program oversight all flows from the top, imho, and that’s where ultimately this should end, with the HC being shown the door and whatever admin hack(s) enabled turning a blind eye to red flags along the way. 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

2 hours ago, John in Jax said:

The most shocking thing about all of this is that this thread hasn't been locked down yet! ?

 

As for the "hazing", as others have said, it's a way different world than it was even 10 years ago, so a lot of the things us oldsters grew up with, and shrugged them off as "initiation rites" and/or harmless, now cause many snowflakes to need therapy or file lawsuits.

With all due respect, this is something much different. When I pledged my frat in the mid to late 90’s, we were sleep deprived and had to do calisthenics at odd hours, recite chapter history and eat crappy food. I promise you anything close to what is alleged here would still have been criminal back then. Knowing my pledge brothers at the time, we would have gone to war to blow up the place figuratively speaking had something like that happened to any of us. My point is, no matter the generation, there are certain lines that have never been considered cool/harmless to cross. 

[noacls]

I played football in college 20 years ago. S**t like that never happened hazing wise. You might get roughed up or taped to goal post before practice. Possibly even a fight but there were no sexual assaults taking place. This is disgusting and PSU football should get the death penalty if true. 

[YoloinOhio]

Interesting that Humphries’ dad played there as well, so it must have been not so easy to go forward with this. Btw he was also drafted by the Bills. 

Edited January 15, 2020 by YoloinOhio