JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 10:48 PM, MAJBobby said: Humphries claims the alleged bullies would wrestle victims to the ground and shove their genitals in their faces. Other threats allegedly included assailants saying, "I am going to Sandusky you," referencing disgraced former Nittany Lions defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky. ummm that doesn’t conform ANYWHERE Expand You never hears of teabagging? Sure, it sounds crazy out of context, but ive seen that in multiple places-high school, hockey, the frat. Also, remember the movie Waiting? The ball sack game? That falls under the heading of hazing now. Its just horseplay. 1
BarleyNY Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) On 1/14/2020 at 10:50 PM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: You never hears of teabagging? Sure, it sounds crazy out of context, but ive seen that in multiple places-high school, hockey, the frat. Also, remember the movie Waiting? The ball sack game? That falls under the heading of hazing now. Its just horseplay. Expand Or sexual assault. Tomāto, tomáto. Edited January 14, 2020 by BarleyNY 4 1
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 10:53 PM, BarleyNY said: Or sexual assault. Tomāto, tamáto. Expand I mean, you can pretend its not a thing if you like. That it isn’t something dudes have done for literally generations as a prank. Sure, its different in todays social culture, but that wasnt the case as recently as ten years ago. 1 1
Gambit Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 10:50 PM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: You never hears of teabagging? Sure, it sounds crazy out of context, but ive seen that in multiple places-high school, hockey, the frat. Also, remember the movie Waiting? The ball sack game? That falls under the heading of hazing now. Its just horseplay. Expand What in the ***** is wrong with you? 6 3
MAJBobby Posted January 14, 2020 Author Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 10:50 PM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: You never hears of teabagging? Sure, it sounds crazy out of context, but ive seen that in multiple places-high school, hockey, the frat. Also, remember the movie Waiting? The ball sack game? That falls under the heading of hazing now. Its just horseplay. Expand And is well sexual assault. Unless you like nuts dropped on your chin unwanted 1
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 11:02 PM, MAJBobby said: And is well sexual assault. Unless you like nuts dropped on your chin unwanted Expand Have you guys really never heard of this? This isnt even close to the worst kind of hazing. 1 1
MAJBobby Posted January 14, 2020 Author Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 11:06 PM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Have you guys really never heard of this? This isnt even close to the worst kind of hazing. Expand Let me know what law firm you work for so I can make sure NONE of my family and friends use it. Don’t like lawyers that well are ok with hazing and sexual assault. 2
Warcodered Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 10:48 PM, MAJBobby said: Humphries claims the alleged bullies would wrestle victims to the ground and shove their genitals in their faces. Other threats allegedly included assailants saying, "I am going to Sandusky you," referencing disgraced former Nittany Lions defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky. ummm that doesn’t conform ANYWHERE Expand I wonder if any of the others said they were going to Joe Paterno them and just sit by and watch. On 1/14/2020 at 10:26 PM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Overwhelming odds are that every guy on the Bills staff with any collegiate or professional sports background were themselves hazed, and then hazed people below them afterwards. Hazing did not become taboo until the last 10 to 15 years. Before that, hazing was often tradition. I have a hard time believing anyone in the organization would consider it a disqualifying event. Also, and this is a minor point, but Franklin wasn't named in the suit. He may have been identified as a participant, but "named" implies that he is a defendant. He is not. Expand Hazing happens pretty much everywhere if something has become taboo it's the more extreme cases of it. 3
Augie Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 One simple rule that will help you have a happier life: Don’t be a $%#@& knucklehead. Do this to anybody, and you deserve every bit of punishment you get. YES, I’ve heard of this, and a lot of other horrible behaviors. That doesn’t make it any less reprehensible. On 1/14/2020 at 11:06 PM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Have you guys really never heard of this? This isnt even close to the worst kind of hazing. Expand Leaving the pine cone out does NOT make it OK. 1 1
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 11:08 PM, MAJBobby said: Let me know what law firm you work for so I can make sure NONE of my family and friends use it. Don’t like lawyers that well are ok with hazing and sexual assault. Expand Why do you keep trying to make this personal? Im talking about a real social phenomenon and how people perceive it. Im not even saying its ok. 1
Jauronimo Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 10:46 PM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: I've been a part of a frat that was suspended for hazing. The problem is they using the umbrella term "hazing" to encompass any number of activities that universities deem problematic to eliminate behavior that doesn't conform to the new socially just model of modern universities. Expand My frat was also suspended for hazing. While nothing close to the behavior detailed in the Penn State allegations occurred at my frat (wanton acts of homosexuality were reserved for brothers and totally forbidden for pledges) hazing has a tendency to get more extreme and out of control no matter how harmless it may start. Every year some kid dies as a result of hazing gone bad. Every year, crimes like assault and sexual abuse are committed in the name of hazing. Its an unacceptable outcome.
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) On 1/14/2020 at 11:16 PM, Jauronimo said: My frat was also suspended for hazing. While nothing close to the behavior detailed in the Penn State allegations occurred at my frat (wanton acts of homosexuality were reserved for brothers and totally forbidden for pledges) hazing has a tendency to get more extreme and out of control no matter how harmless it may start. Every year some kid dies as a result of hazing gone bad. Every year, crimes like assault and sexual abuse are committed in the name of hazing. Its an unacceptable outcome. Expand Heres the thing. The majority of that stems from binge drinking. That is obviously super dangerous. That said, hazing is used to justify prohibiting a much longer list of types of actions. Things that might look like bullying are a great example. That seems a bit far. Edited January 14, 2020 by JoshAllenHasBigHands 1
MAJBobby Posted January 14, 2020 Author Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 11:13 PM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Why do you keep trying to make this personal? Im talking about a real social phenomenon and how people perceive it. Im not even saying its ok. Expand but you are justifying this as locker room horseplay. That is how you perceive it.
Augie Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 11:21 PM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Heres the thing. The majority of that stems from binge drinking. That is obviously super dangerous. That said, hazing is used to justify prohibiting a much longer list of types of actions. Things that might look like bullying are a great example. That seems a bit far. Expand So, we’re going to do very bad things, so that we don’t do even worse things? Sorry, 100% unacceptable. Period. 1
appoo Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 So far it's been investigated, and there's no evidence to corroborate the kids allegations. Also a lot of players are speaking out, including Ryan Bates: 1
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 11:28 PM, Augie said: So, we’re going to do very bad things, so that we don’t do even worse things? Sorry, 100% unacceptable. Period. Expand I dont really follow what you are trying to say here.
Augie Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) On 1/14/2020 at 11:30 PM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: I dont really follow what you are trying to say here. Expand See the bold text, hazing does not justify anything. It’s just wrong. I played sports into college, and my kids were in frats. It can and should be done without any of this behavior. The worst they got was being the DD for a weekend or bringing the donuts. IF TRUE, this needs to be firmly handled and become a lesson for everyone. Again. It’s not just common locker room horseplay. We had some of that at at my kids HS (and it never even became physical) with football. The HC was out as soon as it became known. He was part of the problem. . Edited January 14, 2020 by Augie
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) On 1/14/2020 at 11:27 PM, MAJBobby said: but you are justifying this as locker room horseplay. That is how you perceive it. Expand I do. That doesnt mean its ok. But I also dont think he should be regarded as acting with the same kind of malice as someone who uses drugs or prostitutes. Nor do i think GMs and coaches will. Edited January 14, 2020 by JoshAllenHasBigHands 1
Sherlock Holmes Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 10:16 PM, NC Book said: Meh Christian Wilkins fingered some guys b hole on the field, during the game and still went 13th. I'm jk. I still think he'll be drafted in the 1st round. Hazing isn't as big as a red flag to me as being arrested for drugs, guns or violence. Expand Tell me more please, tell me more. Now if it were Kuechly, TJ Watt or the Bosas... I'd take one for the team 1 1
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