Dkollidas Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 I believe it will he edge rusher. In his press conference he really got a bit more detailed about how there’s not enough elite pass rushers for each team in the league and how important a position it is. I think they realize the defense could be do for a slight regression, and that edge is one of the few places they could make a splash that would change that defense around overnight. I also believe there’s better money to be spent on the edge position than any in free agency. Ngakoue, Clowney, Vic Beasley, Dante Fowler, hell Jason Pierre-Paul had 8.5 sacks in 10 games. Robert Quinn, Mario Addison... etc etc.
Boatdrinks Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 Probably right . Then maybe TE and OL. Not a ton of quality there at WR, so it will likely have to be a trade situation there to get immediate help. They still need to draft a WR, but they’ve got a bit need there and just a draft pick won’t cover it.
Dkollidas Posted January 14, 2020 Author Posted January 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said: Probably right . Then maybe TE and OL. Not a ton of quality there at WR, so it will likely have to be a trade situation there to get immediate help. They still need to draft a WR, but they’ve got a bit need there and just a draft pick won’t cover it. I think they might throw an offer at Hooper, but if they can’t get him, I don’t really see any other guys being big upgrades. Ebron drops as many as Knox. Henry is hurt as much as Kroft. Not much after that. As for O-Line I believe they try to bring Spain back and then draft a guy who can play guard/tackle later on (4th-5th round).
Rc2catch Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, Dkollidas said: I believe it will he edge rusher. In his press conference he really got a bit more detailed about how there’s not enough elite pass rushers for each team in the league and how important a position it is. I think they realize the defense could be do for a slight regression, and that edge is one of the few places they could make a splash that would change that defense around overnight. I also believe there’s better money to be spent on the edge position than any in free agency. Ngakoue, Clowney, Vic Beasley, Dante Fowler, hell Jason Pierre-Paul had 8.5 sacks in 10 games. Robert Quinn, Mario Addison... etc etc. Some of those guys I can see on Beanes magical contract scale. I don’t see any of them as cornerstone 100 million dollar guys though. I think fans might be upset and deflated if he doesn’t break open the check book to sign the “top guys on free agent boards” I generally dismiss the top 5-10 at every position when I shop free agents. And we still have franchise tags to be handed out. And of course cuts for cap needy teams. You could see more than half those guys you mentioned gone before free agency even begins. 1 1
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 Thought I remember Beane saying he likes to use free agency to fill starter needs and then draft BPA. Upgrade a Pass rusher, RT, WR and CB across from Tre. There are a lot of good veteran corners that might hit free agency. Same for pass rushers. You listed a bunch above. One that I thought of today is Emanuel Ogbah. Would probably come cheaper that Ngakoue, he’s bigger at 275, and put up 5.5 sacks in 10 games mostly as a backup. 3
Mr. WEO Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, NewEra said: I hope it’s OL. Upgrade needed That got fixed last off-season, no? 1
Boatdrinks Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, Dkollidas said: I think they might throw an offer at Hooper, but if they can’t get him, I don’t really see any other guys being big upgrades. Ebron drops as many as Knox. Henry is hurt as much as Kroft. Not much after that. As for O-Line I believe they try to bring Spain back and then draft a guy who can play guard/tackle later on (4th-5th round). I’d take Ebron over Knox for sure. 8 minutes ago, NewEra said: I hope it’s OL. Upgrade needed Yeah I still think RT is a problem. Ford might be a G 1
NewEra Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: That got fixed last off-season, no? We had a 16 point lead at the half of a playoff game and then ran the ball 8 times after the half. You tell me 5 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: I’d take Ebron over Knox for sure. Yeah I still think RT is a problem. Ford might be a G Our OL doesn’t suck, but it’s not an asset imo. It’s just ok. Josh allen needs a better OL if we wanna win the SB 2
Mr. WEO Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: We had a 16 point lead at the half of a playoff game and then ran the ball 8 times after the half. You tell me Our OL doesn’t suck, but it’s not an asset imo. It’s just ok. Josh allen needs a better OL if we wanna win the SB I was kidding. many credited the FO for fixing the O-line. It's not fixed yet. 1
NewEra Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: I was kidding. many credited the FO for fixing the O-line. It's not fixed yet. Copy that.
DRA3196 Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 I believe Beane's top priority is WR-1A then DE-1B. depends on what talent is available in FA. Our offense needs to get better. It obviously was better than 2018 but we need more talent on that side of the ball. Big time playmakers, if we want to see the offense step up from mediocrity to good. If they want to give Josh the best opportunity to succeed they need more talent on offense. 1
Boatdrinks Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 57 minutes ago, NewEra said: Copy that. By fixing I take it to mean made it NFL caliber . 2018 line was a bad joke. 2019 was decent, but not a strength as you mentioned. Those who think fixing meant made it elite are off base. It was too far gone to do that in one offseason. 3
Niagara Dude Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 9 hours ago, Dkollidas said: I believe it will he edge rusher. In his press conference he really got a bit more detailed about how there’s not enough elite pass rushers for each team in the league and how important a position it is. I think they realize the defense could be do for a slight regression, and that edge is one of the few places they could make a splash that would change that defense around overnight. I also believe there’s better money to be spent on the edge position than any in free agency. Ngakoue, Clowney, Vic Beasley, Dante Fowler, hell Jason Pierre-Paul had 8.5 sacks in 10 games. Robert Quinn, Mario Addison... etc etc. Bills should cut some of their own guys like Kroft/Murphy/Lee Smith/ Spencer Long/ which will save them about 20 million in cap space and sign guys with above average talent.. We sign 2 high end guys like Bud Dupree LB/DE / Conklin RT and than we set ourselves up nice for the draft. I would resign Lawson and Philips, another player on the roster with big question mark is Star. The problem with cutting him is that even though we would have another 2 mill in cap savings we also would have 7.8 mill in dead money. End of the day Bills need to decide if signing a free agent DT improves their run defense.
ALF Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 It also depends on free agents who leave the Bills
MAJBobby Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 15 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: Bills should cut some of their own guys like Kroft/Murphy/Lee Smith/ Spencer Long/ which will save them about 20 million in cap space and sign guys with above average talent.. We sign 2 high end guys like Bud Dupree LB/DE / Conklin RT and than we set ourselves up nice for the draft. I would resign Lawson and Philips, another player on the roster with big question mark is Star. The problem with cutting him is that even though we would have another 2 mill in cap savings we also would have 7.8 mill in dead money. End of the day Bills need to decide if signing a free agent DT improves their run defense. don’t cut players until replacement in house. 89M in cap space you can sign ANYONE without cutting anyone. And take everyone to camp for Competition 2 1
Niagara Dude Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 Just now, MAJBobby said: don’t cut players until replacement in house. 89M in cap space you can sign ANYONE without cutting anyone. And take everyone to camp for Competition Contracted Players Player (53 total) Base Salary(Guaranteed) Bonuses Cap Number Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)RestructureExtension Prorated Roster Workout Other Mitch Morse $6,775,000$2,000,000 $2,750,000 $2,000,000 $100,000 $0 $11,625,000 $10,250,000 $1,375,000 Star Lotulelei $6,250,000 $2,600,000 $1,000,000 $250,000 $0 $10,100,000 $7,800,000 $2,300,000 John Brown $7,050,000 $1,600,000 $1,000,000 $100,000 $0 $9,750,000 $3,200,000 $6,550,000 Jerry Hughes $6,650,000$6,650,000 $2,100,000 $500,000 $250,000 $0 $9,500,000 $10,850,000 ($1,350,000) Trent Murphy $6,100,000 $1,750,000 $1,000,000 $100,000 $0 $8,950,000 $1,750,000 $7,200,000 Cole Beasley $4,400,000 $1,500,000 $1,000,000 $200,000 $0 $7,100,000 $4,500,000 $2,600,000 Micah Hyde $4,000,000 $1,600,000 $1,000,000 $100,000 $0 $6,700,000 $3,200,000 $3,500,000 Tyler Kroft $4,450,000 $800,000 $1,250,000 $100,000 $0 $6,600,000 $1,600,000 $5,000,000 Josh Allen $660,000$2,405,730 $3,371,461 $1,745,730 $0 $0 $5,777,191 $12,517,247 ($6,740,056) Ty Nsekhe $3,100,000 $1,500,000 $500,000 $100,000 $0 $5,200,000 $1,500,000 $3,700,000 Ed Oliver $1,389,325$1,389,325 $3,082,301 $0 $0 $0 $4,471,626 $16,097,853 ($11,626,227) Spencer Long $2,550,000 $350,000 $1,250,000 $100,000 $0 $4,250,000 $700,000 $3,550,000 Jordan Poyer $2,950,000 $875,000 $150,000 $100,000 $0 $4,075,000 $875,000 $3,200,000 Jon Feliciano $2,400,000 $750,000 $500,000 $100,000 $0 $3,750,000 $750,000 $3,000,000 Tremaine Edmunds $1,630,868$1,630,868 $1,821,735 $0 $0 $0 $3,452,603 $7,480,640 ($4,028,037) Lee Smith $2,650,000$1,500,000 $0 $500,000 $100,000 $0 $3,250,000 $1,500,000 $1,750,000 Tre'Davious White $1,841,093$555,000 $1,369,791 $0 $0 $0 $3,210,884 $1,924,791 $1,286,093 Stephen Hauschka $2,175,000 $625,000 $250,000 $0 $0 $3,050,000 $1,250,000 $1,800,000 Patrick DiMarco $1,800,000 $500,000 $0 $50,000 $0 $2,350,000 $500,000 $1,850,000 Matt Barkley $1,500,000 $200,000 $75,000 $250,000 $0 $2,025,000 $200,000 $1,825,000 Andre Roberts $1,300,000 $500,000 $100,000 $100,000 $0 $2,000,000 $500,000 $1,500,000 TJ Yeldon $1,400,000 $250,000 $150,000 $100,000 $0 $1,900,000 $250,000 $1,650,000 Cody Ford $836,249$836,249 $869,994 $0 $0 $0 $1,706,243 $3,446,231 ($1,739,988) Dion Dawkins $985,441 $295,588 $0 $50,000 $0 $1,331,029 $295,588 $1,035,441 Devin Singletary $675,000 $258,956 $0 $0 $0 $933,956 $776,868 $157,088 Reid Ferguson $750,000 $125,000 $0 $25,000 $0 $900,000 $250,000 $650,000 Harrison Phillips $660,000 $193,760 $0 $37,950 $0 $891,710 $387,520 $504,190 Dawson Knox $613,500 $205,545 $0 $30,000 $0 $849,045 $616,635 $232,410 Taron Johnson $660,000 $161,517 $0 $0 $0 $821,517 $323,034 $498,483 Matt Milano $735,000 $65,379 $0 $0 $0 $800,379 $65,379 $735,000 Vincent Taylor $735,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $735,000 $0 $735,000 Siran Neal $660,000 $71,505 $0 $0 $0 $731,505 $143,010 $588,495 Davis Webb $660,000 $5,500 $0 $0 $0 $665,500 $11,000 $654,500 Ray-Ray McCloud $660,000 $2,750 $0 $0 $0 $662,750 $5,500 $657,250 Corey Bojorquez $660,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $660,000 $0 $660,000 Corey Thompson $660,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $660,000 $0 $660,000 Jonathan Woodard $660,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $660,000 $0 $660,000 Ike Boettger $660,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $660,000 $0 $660,000 Jaquan Johnson $585,000 $46,085 $0 $0 $0 $631,085 $138,255 $492,830 Darryl Johnson Jr. $585,000 $24,616 $0 $0 $0 $609,616 $73,848 $535,768 Tommy Sweeney $585,000 $24,138 $0 $0 $0 $609,138 $72,414 $536,724 Vosean Joseph $510,000 $80,630 $0 $0 $0 $590,630 $241,890 $348,740 Duke Williams $585,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $585,000 $0 $585,000 Ryan Bates $585,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $585,000 $0 $585,000 Mike Love $585,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $585,000 $0 $585,000 Kaare Vedvik $510,000 $6,500 $0 $0 $0 $516,500 $13,000 $503,500 Christian Wade $510,000 $5,500 $0 $0 $0 $515,500 $11,000 $504,500 Cameron Lewis $510,000 $5,500 $0 $0 $0 $515,500 $11,000 $504,500 Nate Becker $510,000 $4,000 $0 $0 $0 $514,000 $8,000 $506,000 Nick Easley $510,000 $3,250 $0 $0 $0 $513,250 $6,500 $506,750 Victor Salako $510,000 $2,250 $0 $0 $0 $512,250 $4,500 $507,750 Top 51 Cutoff Tyrel Dodson $510,000 $2,000 $0 $0 $0 $512,000 $4,000 $508,000 Del'Shawn Phillips
BarleyNY Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 9 hours ago, Chemical said: Thought I remember Beane saying he likes to use free agency to fill starter needs and then draft BPA. Upgrade a Pass rusher, RT, WR and CB across from Tre. There are a lot of good veteran corners that might hit free agency. Same for pass rushers. You listed a bunch above. One that I thought of today is Emanuel Ogbah. Would probably come cheaper that Ngakoue, he’s bigger at 275, and put up 5.5 sacks in 10 games mostly as a backup. Yeah. That’s pretty standard operating procedure for teams. Get at least serviceable starters under contract at all positions and then the draft becomes more about long term gains, not just filling needs. It also helps keep other teams from easily discerning your targets in the draft. I agree with the OP that Edge should be the #1 FA priority. It’s not a great draft for the position so finding an upgrade to what we have there is not likely - at least not in the near term. It’s going to cost big, but it’s our only real way to upgrade at Edge this offseason unless a trade option comes into play. 1
MAJBobby Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: Contracted Players Player (53 total) Base Salary(Guaranteed) Bonuses Cap Number Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)RestructureExtension Prorated Roster Workout Other Mitch Morse $6,775,000$2,000,000 $2,750,000 $2,000,000 $100,000 $0 $11,625,000 $10,250,000 $1,375,000 Star Lotulelei $6,250,000 $2,600,000 $1,000,000 $250,000 $0 $10,100,000 $7,800,000 $2,300,000 John Brown $7,050,000 $1,600,000 $1,000,000 $100,000 $0 $9,750,000 $3,200,000 $6,550,000 Jerry Hughes $6,650,000$6,650,000 $2,100,000 $500,000 $250,000 $0 $9,500,000 $10,850,000 ($1,350,000) Trent Murphy $6,100,000 $1,750,000 $1,000,000 $100,000 $0 $8,950,000 $1,750,000 $7,200,000 Cole Beasley $4,400,000 $1,500,000 $1,000,000 $200,000 $0 $7,100,000 $4,500,000 $2,600,000 Micah Hyde $4,000,000 $1,600,000 $1,000,000 $100,000 $0 $6,700,000 $3,200,000 $3,500,000 Tyler Kroft $4,450,000 $800,000 $1,250,000 $100,000 $0 $6,600,000 $1,600,000 $5,000,000 Josh Allen $660,000$2,405,730 $3,371,461 $1,745,730 $0 $0 $5,777,191 $12,517,247 ($6,740,056) Ty Nsekhe $3,100,000 $1,500,000 $500,000 $100,000 $0 $5,200,000 $1,500,000 $3,700,000 Ed Oliver $1,389,325$1,389,325 $3,082,301 $0 $0 $0 $4,471,626 $16,097,853 ($11,626,227) Spencer Long $2,550,000 $350,000 $1,250,000 $100,000 $0 $4,250,000 $700,000 $3,550,000 Jordan Poyer $2,950,000 $875,000 $150,000 $100,000 $0 $4,075,000 $875,000 $3,200,000 Jon Feliciano $2,400,000 $750,000 $500,000 $100,000 $0 $3,750,000 $750,000 $3,000,000 Tremaine Edmunds $1,630,868$1,630,868 $1,821,735 $0 $0 $0 $3,452,603 $7,480,640 ($4,028,037) Lee Smith $2,650,000$1,500,000 $0 $500,000 $100,000 $0 $3,250,000 $1,500,000 $1,750,000 Tre'Davious White $1,841,093$555,000 $1,369,791 $0 $0 $0 $3,210,884 $1,924,791 $1,286,093 Stephen Hauschka $2,175,000 $625,000 $250,000 $0 $0 $3,050,000 $1,250,000 $1,800,000 Patrick DiMarco $1,800,000 $500,000 $0 $50,000 $0 $2,350,000 $500,000 $1,850,000 Matt Barkley $1,500,000 $200,000 $75,000 $250,000 $0 $2,025,000 $200,000 $1,825,000 Andre Roberts $1,300,000 $500,000 $100,000 $100,000 $0 $2,000,000 $500,000 $1,500,000 TJ Yeldon $1,400,000 $250,000 $150,000 $100,000 $0 $1,900,000 $250,000 $1,650,000 Cody Ford $836,249$836,249 $869,994 $0 $0 $0 $1,706,243 $3,446,231 ($1,739,988) Dion Dawkins $985,441 $295,588 $0 $50,000 $0 $1,331,029 $295,588 $1,035,441 Devin Singletary $675,000 $258,956 $0 $0 $0 $933,956 $776,868 $157,088 Reid Ferguson $750,000 $125,000 $0 $25,000 $0 $900,000 $250,000 $650,000 Harrison Phillips $660,000 $193,760 $0 $37,950 $0 $891,710 $387,520 $504,190 Dawson Knox $613,500 $205,545 $0 $30,000 $0 $849,045 $616,635 $232,410 Taron Johnson $660,000 $161,517 $0 $0 $0 $821,517 $323,034 $498,483 Matt Milano $735,000 $65,379 $0 $0 $0 $800,379 $65,379 $735,000 Vincent Taylor $735,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $735,000 $0 $735,000 Siran Neal $660,000 $71,505 $0 $0 $0 $731,505 $143,010 $588,495 Davis Webb $660,000 $5,500 $0 $0 $0 $665,500 $11,000 $654,500 Ray-Ray McCloud $660,000 $2,750 $0 $0 $0 $662,750 $5,500 $657,250 Corey Bojorquez $660,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $660,000 $0 $660,000 Corey Thompson $660,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $660,000 $0 $660,000 Jonathan Woodard $660,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $660,000 $0 $660,000 Ike Boettger $660,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $660,000 $0 $660,000 Jaquan Johnson $585,000 $46,085 $0 $0 $0 $631,085 $138,255 $492,830 Darryl Johnson Jr. $585,000 $24,616 $0 $0 $0 $609,616 $73,848 $535,768 Tommy Sweeney $585,000 $24,138 $0 $0 $0 $609,138 $72,414 $536,724 Vosean Joseph $510,000 $80,630 $0 $0 $0 $590,630 $241,890 $348,740 Duke Williams $585,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $585,000 $0 $585,000 Ryan Bates $585,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $585,000 $0 $585,000 Mike Love $585,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $585,000 $0 $585,000 Kaare Vedvik $510,000 $6,500 $0 $0 $0 $516,500 $13,000 $503,500 Christian Wade $510,000 $5,500 $0 $0 $0 $515,500 $11,000 $504,500 Cameron Lewis $510,000 $5,500 $0 $0 $0 $515,500 $11,000 $504,500 Nate Becker $510,000 $4,000 $0 $0 $0 $514,000 $8,000 $506,000 Nick Easley $510,000 $3,250 $0 $0 $0 $513,250 $6,500 $506,750 Victor Salako $510,000 $2,250 $0 $0 $0 $512,250 $4,500 $507,750 Top 51 Cutoff Tyrel Dodson $510,000 $2,000 $0 $0 $0 $512,000 $4,000 $508,000 Del'Shawn Phillips Murphy 53 players. Leaves you 37 spots to get to 90. Bills can sign anyone you want without cutting anyone at this point. there are zero triggers that force a move. So sign who you want. Try and flip who has value and worst case cut after camp 2
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