Hebert19 Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 I will continue to say while they are both nice players we should not overpay them. In this system there are a lot of people who could do their jobs. They regressed this year
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: I will continue to say while they are both nice players we should not overpay them. In this system there are a lot of people who could do their jobs. They regressed this year By what criteria or criterion?
Big Turk Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 The Bills rank #1 in the NFL 3 years running for allowing the fewest 40+ yard passes...pretty obvious they are doing their job well.
2003Contenders Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 Some of this may be based on recency bias -- that is, neither of them (especially Poyer) played especially well during the later part of the Houston game. Of course, the defense as a whole had numerous melt-downs. That aside, during the course of the regular season, I felt like that Poyer-Hyde tandem was one one the best in the league. 1
BarleyNY Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 Our safety duo is a strength of this defense. Hyde in particular is a top shelf safety. Poyer is good, but not on his level. Are they the top duo in the NFL? No, but they’re well beyond good enough. My only real concerns with the position is depth/injury and that Poyer will hold out this year for a contract well above his actual value.
corta765 Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 I said in my year in review that I thought both had down years by their standards. BUT they still played well in a top 5 defense. Additionally with the defense now rounding into what McD wants I do not think they have gotten the same amount of opportunities as they had in the previous two years. Additionally I do not think teams are as aggressive deep because of their play making skills. In 2017-18 teams basically tested what they could do against them and regularly got burned. By now your better off staying short then pushing it on them. Judging a player on stats alone is dangerous in the NFL given how misleading certain things can be. Between Hyde Poyer and White they shut down a majority of the field to the point offenses only have the CB2 to really target. I do think Poyer could be gone after this year or possibly cut if they draft a safety for less money as he has outplayed his contract but you can find safeties on the cheap. Hyde's coverage skills really though are top notch. His pick on Brady against NE showed as much and even BB was impressed. 1
dave mcbride Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 Poyer led the NFL in td returns on attempted onside kicks!
123719bwiqrb Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Poyer led the NFL in td returns on attempted onside kicks! You mean Hyde. Poyer leads the league in goofy social media posts by a wife. 1 1
eball Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 On 1/10/2020 at 11:27 PM, Happy Days said: They only combined for 5 pass breakups and 3 ints. Those are pretty disappointing numbers this season. The only team that had as few of pass breakups from their safeties in the AFC as The Bills was The Colts. Did not look up the NFC This is the danger of looking at one particular stat and drawing conclusions from it. The Bills led the league in fewest "big passing plays" for the third straight year. That is directly attributable to the play of their safeties. 1
simpleman Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 I would be concerned more about the stats on the percent of the time that they were targeted and the receiver completed the pass attempt on them than the breakups or intercepts.
LABILLBACKER Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 As others have said I would chalk it up to less pressure/blitzes this year from Leslie. But their numbers and impact was slightly down. When your the #2 defense in the NFL, you can't complain about much. We will have to draft a safety next year.
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 Poyer had a few bad plays that cost us big this year but he's worth more than he's making. Hopefully they pay him what he deserves which is about double what he's making. 2 hours ago, matter2003 said: The Bills rank #1 in the NFL 3 years running for allowing the fewest 40+ yard passes...pretty obvious they are doing their job well. I know of 1 Poyer allowed this season in the Baltimore game.
Big Turk Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Poyer had a few bad plays that cost us big this year but he's worth more than he's making. Hopefully they pay him what he deserves which is about double what he's making. I know of 1 Poyer allowed this season in the Baltimore game. And your point is? Teams are going to get a few of them no matter how good you are...I think it says volumes they have allowed the fewest number of them for 3 years running
Dopey Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 On 1/11/2020 at 9:38 AM, Penfield45 said: no we don't. Hyde is top 5 safety in the league but Poyer is a bang average player. Opinions.
MAJBobby Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) On 1/10/2020 at 11:27 PM, Happy Days said: They only combined for 5 pass breakups and 3 ints. Those are pretty disappointing numbers this season. The only team that had as few of pass breakups from their safeties in the AFC as The Bills was The Colts. Did not look up the NFC Why do you leave out the other splash plays like the 5FF and 4FR and 2 sacks? Edited January 17, 2020 by MAJBobby 2 1
BillsFan692 Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 On 1/11/2020 at 6:21 AM, Lurker said: Not the way this defense is structured, which is to keep everything in front of them. They don't break up passes because very few deep balls are even attempted against them. Next topic... That also makes them look better then they are really.... Just saying, I'd keep hyde but don't know about poyer.
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 1 hour ago, matter2003 said: And your point is? Teams are going to get a few of them no matter how good you are...I think it says volumes they have allowed the fewest number of them for 3 years running I do think the coaching staff puts our DB's in perfect position to succeed so they might be slightly overrated. That said they are one of the most successful groups in the NFL and we should keep them together for as long as they keep having success.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 5 hours ago, Hebert19 said: I will continue to say while they are both nice players we should not overpay them. In this system there are a lot of people who could do their jobs. They regressed this year and they end up in NE? hell no. Pay them what is deserved
streetkings01 Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 Poyer and Hyde the new whipping boys.......got it.
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