reddogblitz Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 14 minutes ago, Doc said: Huh? Six playoff teams means three divisions and three wildcard teams. As for it being easier to win a 4-team division than 5, not sure I'd agree with that one. Especially for a dominant team like the Cheaters were. I'm trying to look that up. I don't remember the NFL ever having 3 WCs. I can certainly remember when there was only 1 and 3 divisions. I could be wrong. Stay tuned ...
Chris66 Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: I'm trying to look that up. I don't remember the NFL ever having 3 WCs. I can certainly remember when there was only 1 and 3 divisions. I could be wrong. Stay tuned ... Prior to the division changes in 02. 3 div winners and 3 wildcard teams. Can you imagine what the afce would have been like if the colts had stayed in the division.
Doc Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: I'm trying to look that up. I don't remember the NFL ever having 3 WCs. I can certainly remember when there was only 1 and 3 divisions. I could be wrong. Stay tuned ... You are. ?
That's No Moon Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 7 hours ago, ngbills said: This NE team was like the DEN Manning team. Won with Def and some smart QB play. NE could actually be better without Brady as weird as it sounds. Andrew Luck back in football for the Pats next year... That's not even funny to joke about
loyal2dagame Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, class_of_2012 said: Brady has more wins against Buffalo, at 32-3, than any other team: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00/splits/ That misses my point. The Bills have been horrible against the lip kisser. What team in the league had a winning record against the Pats* since Brady lucked into a job because of a collapsed lung? Edited January 7, 2020 by loyal2dagame
Saxum Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 8 hours ago, ScottLaw said: I'll declare that when we actually beat them.... No you won't. You will claim it was a true win because their QB had a hangnail or something silly like that.
class_of_2012 Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 14 minutes ago, loyal2dagame said: That misses my point. The Bills have been horrible against the lip kisser. What team in the league had a winning record against the Pats* since Brady lucked into a job because of a collapsed lung? Carolina is 3-2 vs. Brady. Seattle is 2-1. Arizona is 1-1.
Troll Toll Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: You said: " Indy had basically the worst run defense in the NFL during Peyton’s time there." That's demonstrably false. He was there 13 years. And let's look closer at that SB playoff run: That Colts D held teams to 8, 6, 34 (NE), and 17 points. In the NE game, they held NE to 89 yards rushing. KC to 44 yards rushing. Baltimore 83 yards rushing. Chicago to 111. IN the WC game vs KC, Manning had 252 yards despite 39 attempts/1 TD and 3 ints. In the Div game vs Balt, Manning had 170 yds/completed 15 passes/zero TD and 2 ints. His playoff stat line that year? 97/153/1034 yds/4 TD/7 INT. It's safe to say that the Colts D, particularly the run D, carried that team over those 4 games. Imagine Manning with a very good D? Hmmm...let's try! 2007, coming off the SB win they won 13 games and had the #1 D in points and #3 in yards. One and done. Next year? 2008 won 12 games, 7th ranked D in points, 11th in yards. One and done. The year before the SB? 2005 they won 14 games, D #2 in points allowed, 11 in yards. One and done. 2002? won 10 games, D #7 in points allowed, 8 in yards. One and done. And Brady? 2001 SB: D #6 in points, 24 in yards allowed. 2004 SB: D #2 in points, 9 in yards 2014 SB: D was #8 in points, 13 in yards. 2018 SB: D was #7 in points, 21 in yards. Brady went to SBs behind Defenses that were ranked 24, 31, 13 and 21 in yards allowed. Not all exactly "top flight"--and not much different than Manning's one and dones listed above. Are you seriously trying to cherry pick numbers to claim that Indy’s defenses were anywhere close to those New England defenses!? Did you even watch the NFL in those years? Patriots defenses were stacked with great players: Ty Law Teddy Bruschi Mike Vrabel Willie McGinest Lawyer Milloy Rodney Harrison Richard Seymour Asante Samuel Vince Wilfork Indy had Dwight Freeney
buffaloboyinATL Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 I won’t be convinced until the stake is driven through Belicheck’s heart. 1
zonabb Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 But the real question... did his kid Max state it too? No Sal time is without him shoehorning a Max story into it. He's the worst in Buffalo, by a mile. He can't carry Joe B.'s jock when it comes to knowledge of the game.
Boca BIlls Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 9 hours ago, Herc11 said: I hope Brady stays. I want to win the East with him still there. I'm done giving a crap about that. 1
JaCrispy Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 10 hours ago, Herc11 said: I hope Brady stays. I want to win the East with him still there. Isn’t it funny we all wanted him gone for so long...now many fans want him to stay to we can knock his block off...?
Gugny Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 4 hours ago, Reed83HOF said: So you're happy as well then,,, That's it. It's goin' down. 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 11 hours ago, TroutDog said: On his show just now, he really believes Brady is gone and questioned whether they will win the AFCE next year. Let’s all hope he’s right: I believe he is. I'll wait until someone informs the Pats 2
Herc11 Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 2 hours ago, JaCrispy said: Isn’t it funny we all wanted him gone for so long...now many fans want him to stay to we can knock his block off...? I just dont want it to be that we could only beat them after he left. I know the narrative will still be that he's washed up now, but at least it would still be him. I also want him to feel defeat handed to him from the Bills. 1
reddogblitz Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 22 minutes ago, Herc11 said: I just dont want it to be that we could only beat them after he left. I know the narrative will still be that he's washed up now, but at least it would still be him. I also want him to feel defeat handed to him from the Bills. We beat them with Tommy when Fitz was QB. I'm good with that. We beat them in 2014 when Tommy played the first 1/2. They pulled him so he wouldn't get killed. 2014 D could get after the Qb.
Herc11 Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 2 hours ago, reddogblitz said: We beat them with Tommy when Fitz was QB. I'm good with that. We beat them in 2014 when Tommy played the first 1/2. They pulled him so he wouldn't get killed. 2014 D could get after the Qb. Correct, and those victories were sweet. Certainly not as sweet as it being for the AFC East Championship. 1
Thurman#1 Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, Troll Toll said: Bellicheck went 11-5 with Matt Cassell. Nothing is over until Bellicheck is gone. With a top end QB, they could be better than they ever were with Brady. Yeah, he went 11-5 with Matt Cassel ... against a historically easy schedule. Look at Miami's record the year before, that year and the year after. The AFC East had a gimme schedule that year like few in football history. Belichick's terrific, but without Brady they won't be the same. Yeah, if they get a top QB, it could all continue. Think they're going to get one? [EDIT: that post below about Andrew Luck coming back in Foxboro gave me heart palpitations. Man, I hope that doesn't happen.] Giving up Garoppolo was a move that will have repercussions for them for a long time. IMO we'll never see Brady playing for another team. He knows how good he's had it in NE. But I could see him retiring or not. 2 hours ago, reddogblitz said: We beat them with Tommy when Fitz was QB. I'm good with that. We beat them in 2014 when Tommy played the first 1/2. They pulled him so he wouldn't get killed. 2014 D could get after the Qb. I took little solace in that. They pulled Brady because it was Week 17 and they had nothing to win or lose. It was nice enough but meant no more to me than it did to the Pats. Edited January 7, 2020 by Thurman#1
TwistofFate Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 14 hours ago, Troll Toll said: Bellicheck went 11-5 with Matt Cassell. Nothing is over until Bellicheck is gone. With a top end QB, they could be better than they ever were with Brady. did they make the playoffs with that 11-5 record? 1
Thurman#1 Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Troll Toll said: Are you seriously trying to cherry pick numbers to claim that Indy’s defenses were anywhere close to those New England defenses!? Did you even watch the NFL in those years? Patriots defenses were stacked with great players: Ty Law Teddy Bruschi Mike Vrabel Willie McGinest Lawyer Milloy Rodney Harrison Richard Seymour Asante Samuel Vince Wilfork Indy had Dwight Freeney ... and Bob Sanders. That guy was Polamalu-like. If he'd stayed healthy ... In 2006, their championship year, Sanders only played four games during the season and they allowed 5.3 YPC during the year, worst by almost half a yard per carry. Then Sanders played the whole playoff schedule and they allowed 4.1 YPC. They also had Robert Mathis. And a lot of pretty good players. But they were built mostly to defend the pass rather than the run. Very few teams could run much against them because who runs when they're 17 points behind? Edited January 7, 2020 by Thurman#1
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