BADOLBILZ Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 I mean.........except for the Bills. The Bills lost this game in December when they didn't take care of business at home and couldn't salvage a split against a fading rival. McDermott is 0-6 versus Belichick and the Bills have averaged an unconscionably low 10 points of offense in those 6 losses.? Until THAT division dynamic changes..........and there's no guarantee the Pats won't be better next year........then road games batting crowd noise and the inherent home cooking officiating disadvantages etc.. are the ceiling for this team. McDaboll and Beane gotta' fix this sh*t this offseason because the pushover 2019 schedule is unlikely to be repeated. 6 1
billsfan1959 Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: McDaboll and Beane gotta' fix this sh*t this offseason Maybe, somebody should tell them... 1
RiotAct Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 whole lot of HNNGGGGGGG going on with this organization when it comes to New England
Boatdrinks Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 That’s a bad sign, and shouldn’t be overlooked. The offensive coaching, personnel and the QB haven’t been good enough to solve the riddle of Belichick. McD has managed to foil Brady , but the Bills need to take a long look at everything on the offense.
BADOLBILZ Posted January 5, 2020 Author Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Maybe, somebody should tell them... Belichick's domination of McDermott has been grossly under-reported to this point...........it's just been more talk of moral victories or excuses about how games were one score losses etc.. McD has a Belichick issue and the heart of it is his horrible record for stewardship of his offense. Belichick is basically .500 in games coached against his former assistants(as HC's). Why is he 4-0 versus Daboll as an OC? Edited January 5, 2020 by BADOLBILZ
billsfan1959 Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Belichick's domination of McDermott has been grossly under-reported to this point...........it's just been more talk of moral victories or excuses about how games were one score losses etc.. McD has a Belichick issue and the heart of it is his horrible record for stewardship of his offense. Belichick is basically .500 in games coached against his former assistants(as HC's). Why is he 4-0 versus Daboll as an OC? You kind of left out the fact that, while McDermott has been the HC of the Bills, he hasn't exactly had the offensive talent to match up with the NE defense. And, actually, McDermott's teams have put up a couple of dominating defensive performances against Belichick as well. However, overall, I understand your point. I also think Beane and McDermott are well aware of everything you said.
thebandit27 Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 Need to add offensive playmakers...badly. WR1, RB2, TE2, and backup QB should all be prioritized in both draft and FA. 1
Coach Tuesday Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said: You kind of left out the fact that, while McDermott has been the HC of the Bills, he hasn't exactly had the offensive talent to match up with the NE defense. And, actually, McDermott's teams have put up a couple of dominating defensive performances against Belichick as well. However, overall, I understand your point. I also think Beane and McDermott are well aware of everything you said. He didn’t leave it out, that’s his point about bad stewardship. McBeane have been making HORRENDOUS decisions about offensive personnel and strategy ever since they got here - they’ve done nothing whatsoever to suggest they even know what it takes to build a good offense. Question: what is the Bills’ offensive identity? Does anyone know? If the answer is to be “multiple,” that just suggests to me they suck equally at just about everything. There is nothing they do well. 1
Sweats Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 We are really good at beating up bad teams, but throw in a mediocre team or an elite team and we have no answers........THAT is on the coaching staff.
billsfan1959 Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Who's fault is that? 1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said: He didn’t leave it out, that’s his point about bad stewardship. McBeane have been making HORRENDOUS decisions about offensive personnel and strategy ever since they got here - they’ve done nothing whatsoever to suggest they even know what it takes to build a good offense. Question: what is the Bills’ offensive identity? Does anyone know? If the answer is to be “multiple,” that just suggests to me they suck equally at just about everything. There is nothing they do well. A little disingenuous, I believe. They made their choice on how they wanted to structure the rebuild of this team. Whether you agree with the plan they laid out is irrelevant, that is what they chose and they stuck to it. The consequence of those decisions, as well as personnel issues they had no control over (Woods, Incognito, etc), was what we saw last year. There were a number of personnel decisions made by Beane, from an offensive perspective, last off-season that made this team much better, offensively, this year than last year. If you can't see that, then you really must have forgotten how bad this offense was last year. And, like it or not, they still don't have the offensive personnel to establish their identity. They have the draft picks and cap space to continue that improvement this next off-season. For me, next year is the year to see that offensive identity established and for this team to move to the next level. It will be Beane's third full season of his rebuild. I think that is a reasonable time to wait before I reach any difinitive conclusions about how good or bad he is at personnel decisions.
Coach Tuesday Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said: A little disingenuous, I believe. They made their choice on how they wanted to structure the rebuild of this team. Whether you agree with the plan they laid out is irrelevant, that is what they chose and they stuck to it. The consequence of those decisions, as well as personnel issues they had no control over (Woods, Incognito, etc), was what we saw last year. There were a number of personnel decisions made by Beane, from an offensive perspective, last off-season that made this team much better, offensively, this year than last year. If you can't see that, then you really must have forgotten how bad this offense was last year. And, like it or not, they still don't have the offensive personnel to establish their identity. They have the draft picks and cap space to continue that improvement this next off-season. For me, next year is the year to see that offensive identity established and for this team to move to the next level. It will be Beane's third full season of his rebuild. I think that is a reasonable time to wait before I reach any difinitive conclusions about how good or bad he is at personnel decisions. That’s a generous amount of rope and runway you’re giving out. I suspect Terry is asleep enough to go along with that narrative. IMO if this was all their “plan” they’ve been fortunate that Allen didn’t mentally and physically implode before last night - no QB coach or veteran backup in his first training camp, a middling OC, the worst line and group of WRs in the league in 2018, no tight end or big catch radii to throw to... if this was actually the plan, it was an insane one. 2
Chaos Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: They've been here 3 seasons.... every season their offense is piss poor. IMO Daboll shouldn't be here next season and someone other than McDermott should hire his OC for him. I'm convinced the guy is clueless offensively. This team is all about the continuity train. You won't see an OC change, unless someone hires Daboll as HC. 1
Steptide Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) I still can't figure out how the Dolphins won last week. Two weeks straight the Patriots get beat at home by worse teams. Tannehill didn't even have 100 yards passing last night. You love to see it Edited January 5, 2020 by Steptide
BADOLBILZ Posted January 5, 2020 Author Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: A little disingenuous, I believe. They made their choice on how they wanted to structure the rebuild of this team. Whether you agree with the plan they laid out is irrelevant, that is what they chose and they stuck to it. The consequence of those decisions, as well as personnel issues they had no control over (Woods, Incognito, etc), was what we saw last year. There were a number of personnel decisions made by Beane, from an offensive perspective, last off-season that made this team much better, offensively, this year than last year. If you can't see that, then you really must have forgotten how bad this offense was last year. And, like it or not, they still don't have the offensive personnel to establish their identity. They have the draft picks and cap space to continue that improvement this next off-season. For me, next year is the year to see that offensive identity established and for this team to move to the next level. It will be Beane's third full season of his rebuild. I think that is a reasonable time to wait before I reach any difinitive conclusions about how good or bad he is at personnel decisions. If I asked the average fan in 2017 where the Ravens and Chiefs would stack up in the AFC in two years.........they would have said those teams were getting old and they'd be rebuilding. If you make good decisions you can turn around an entire team in a hurry. Meanwhile we are hoping that year 4 of McDermott becomes year 1 of competent offensive football. There is nothing disingenuous about not being accepting of that. The basis of your sarcastic post to my OP....as evidenced by the excuses above.........was that you think it's understandable and OK that 3 years into the regime they continue to be one of the worst offensive teams in the NFL. The existence of that kind of deeply engrained excuse making is why I made this thread. 1
Happy Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Steptide said: I still can't figure out how the Dolphins won last week. Two weeks straight the Patriots get beat at home by worse teams. Tannehill didn't even have 100 yards passing last night. You love to see it Better coaching? It boils down to that, IMO. Certainly not talent in Miami's case; an argument can be made for Tennessee.
Captain Murica Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 Good thing we focused on building the defense first.
billsfan1959 Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: That’s a generous amount of rope and runway you’re giving out. I suspect Terry is asleep enough to go along with that narrative. IMO if this was all their “plan” they’ve been fortunate that Allen didn’t mentally and physically implode before last night - no QB coach or veteran backup in his first training camp, a middling OC, the worst line and group of WRs in the league in 2018, no tight end or big catch radii to throw to... if this was actually the plan, it was an insane one. I didn't say their plan was to have the worst line and receivers in the league. You are better than that. They chose to rebuild. They chose to get rid of players they did not fell fit their plans. They chose to eat all that dead cap space. Those were their decisions, whether you agree with them or not. Those decisions carried consequences and they did what they could, going into last season, with a limited ability to make drastic improvements. This past off-season, they made bigger strides and it showed on the field. Some of Beane's decisions didn't work out and many of them did - no different than any other GM. Next year is the year they need to show that their plan was the correct one, and that, for the most part, they are making correct personnel and coaching decisions with the product they put on the field. Until then, I reserve the right to reach difinitive conclusions prematurely. 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: They've been here 3 seasons.... every season their offense is piss poor. IMO Daboll shouldn't be here next season and someone other than McDermott should hire his OC for him. I'm convinced the guy is clueless offensively. Beane has been here for two off-seasons and two drafts.
Happy Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Captain Murica said: Good thing we focused on building the defense first. The problem is McD and Frazier don't attack enough on defense. They sit back, play zone, and sometimes soft zone/prevent, and expect that to win games; even with a poor offense. Odd philosophy to say the least.
Chaos Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said: If I asked the average fan in 2017 where the Ravens and Chiefs would stack up in the AFC in two years.........they would have said those teams were getting old and they'd be rebuilding. If you make good decisions you can turn around an entire team in a hurry. Meanwhile we are hoping that year 4 of McDermott becomes year 1 of competent offensive football. There is nothing disingenuous about not being accepting of that. The basis of your sarcastic post to my OP....as evidenced by the excuses above.........was that you think it's understandable and OK that 3 years into the regime they continue to be one of the worst offensive teams in the NFL. The existence of that kind of deeply engrained excuse making is why I made this thread. Many of the fans on this board think of the Bills as akin to a mid-major college basketball team. They think the Bills can win on any given Sunday, but don't really think of the Bills as serious contenders to ever be champs. As a consequence these fans set low expectations, and are happy enough when the low expectations are exceeded. Their main measure of comparison is comparing the 2019 Bills to the 2016 Bills or some other bad version of the Bills. That is certainly their prerogative. Some fans believe the Bills are on equal footing with the Salary Cap, drafting rules and equal share of TV money, and should be held to the same standard of success as the teams competing for the championship each year. These two views are in pretty strong conflict to each other. 1
BADOLBILZ Posted January 5, 2020 Author Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Steptide said: I still can't figure out how the Dolphins won last week. Two weeks straight the Patriots get beat at home by worse teams. Tannehill didn't even have 100 yards passing last night. You love to see it The simple answer is that the Bills beat themselves with bad coaching before they even took the field in the two games against NE and those teams just looked at tape and did what the tape said works. 1
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