Zero in-play penalties called on Houston

[Coach Tuesday]

9 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

These officials watch video to prepare.    You can't expect them to come into the game with zero expectations.   They know Ford is a serial offender so the flag is half out their pocket for him on every play.   I mean after you get away with one hands to the face do you not think the Texans are bitching and you can't do it again the next play??  

 

Real bummer that Nsekhe wasn't healthy.    Ford was a bigger liability at RT than Jordan Mills had been.   Unreal they were so obsessed with getting that guy.   Did they not interview him and realize he is dumb as a box of rocks?   And you plug him into THIS offense?   Really?   Gotdamn!

He was reported to have high intelligence coming out.  He’s just incredibly heavy-footed and this regime is stubborn to a fault.  You have to Peterman yourself out of the lineup if you’re one of “their guys” and even that takes multiple games/seasons of suckitude.

 

But you’re 100% right about that play he did it the play before, wasn’t called, then punched the guy in the facemask with both hands off the snap the very next play!

Edited January 5, 2020 by Coach Tuesday

[snafu]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

There were five called in all: 2 on Tunsil for false starts, 2 deliberate delay of game penalties on punts, and the offsetting post-play PFs after the Hopkins fumble and recovery by the Bills (and I don’t know why Hughes was called for anything; he seemed to be on the periphery of that scrum). Given the offset, they were penalized only 4 times for 20 yards. Only 2 - the false starts upon Tunsil - negatively affected them.
 

Anyway, the Texans racked up zero in-play penalties in a really long game filled with crazy plays. Zero in a what was essentially a five-quarter game. Call me suspicious. 
 

The Bills had a garden-variety 7 penalties called for 64 yards (6 penalties were called in regulation, I think, which is normal). Ford was flagged twice, and both were very ticky tack. The hands to the face call only seems to get called when the facemask is clearly held or the hand pushes the chin up hard and deliberately. Ford barely grazed The defender, and it wasn’t intentional. 

 

I try not to complain about officiating because calls go both ways (like Beasley’s first down on the drive to tie the game).

In this game, though, there were several head scratchers.  The play before Ford’s penalty, Allen ran out of bounds and got hit helmet to helmet (can’t find it on a replay).  His chinstrap was up by the bridge of his nose.  Ford’s blindside block penalty was a terrible call.  

 

And to top it off, the Houston 3rd and 18 where the play clock ran out.  Why in this day and age does the referee not have a buzzer or some other signal in his headset for the play clock?  Every high school gym uses a buzzer when time runs out. The NFL can’t do that?

[LittleSammy]

I am surprised it took this long for the expected "the refs screwed the Bills" thread to appear. The bottom line is this team was up 16-0 with a quarter and a half left in the game and totally imploded to hand the game to Houston.

[Coach Tuesday]

I can’t get too worked up about the officiating - didn’t feel we deserved to win and got jobbed - we were a Bill O’Brien mouth-breath away from losing in regulation.

[Bermuda Triangle]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

There were five called in all: 2 on Tunsil for false starts, 2 deliberate delay of game penalties on punts, and the offsetting post-play PFs after the Hopkins fumble and recovery by the Bills (and I don’t know why Hughes was called for anything; he seemed to be on the periphery of that scrum). Given the offset, they were penalized only 4 times for 20 yards. Only 2 - the false starts upon Tunsil - negatively affected them.
 

Anyway, the Texans racked up zero in-play penalties in a really long game filled with crazy plays. Zero in a what was essentially a five-quarter game. Call me suspicious. 
 

The Bills had a garden-variety 7 penalties called for 64 yards (6 penalties were called in regulation, I think, which is normal). Ford was flagged twice, and both were very ticky tack. The hands to the face call only seems to get called when the facemask is clearly held or the hand pushes the chin up hard and deliberately. Ford barely grazed The defender, and it wasn’t intentional. 

I mentioned the conspicuous absence of post-snap penalties against Houston yesterday in the post-game thread.  Amazing that Houston didn't commit a single post-snap infraction in nearly 75:00 of game time.

 

I would have loved to have seen a replay of the Hughes PF as well.

 

Garbage officiating yesterday, which is par for the course for the NFL,

[snafu]

45 minutes ago, Conlan58 said:

I appreciate you linking this. I thought the way it was explained last night was enough to justify a call in that situation (Ford facing his own end zone). By rule, I can see why it was called. As a Bills fan, I could clearly see Ford making a play to stop a defender in pursuit of Allen from making a play and think it was a play that the refs should have let the players play. I can argue both sides, but I feel the Bills had a prime opportunity to put this game well out of reach numerous times. 

 

I totally agree with the bolder part, but since the Bills didn’t put the game away, it was tied and in overtime, and that’s when close or bad calls have an incredible impact on the game. You started by saying that you thought the refs did a good job “letting them play”. The Ford call is a great example of the exact opposite. 

 

 

[Bermuda Triangle]

1 hour ago, Conlan58 said:

I actually think for the most part they did a good job of letting the players play. The call on Ford was rough, but according to the rule book, was a correct call. I think that was the only instance that they neglected to let the players play. 

 

Even that challenge for PI could have gone either way, but they let it slide even though Hopkins was wrapped up with the left hand as the right hand knocked the ball away.

 

 

Could have just as easily been OPI on Hopkins.

 

Also, per the rule book, the call on Ford was incorrect,

[dave mcbride]

15 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

I try not to complain about officiating because calls go both ways (like Beasley’s first down on the drive to tie the game).

In this game, though, there were several head scratchers.  The play before Ford’s penalty, Allen ran out of bounds and got hit helmet to helmet (can’t find it on a replay).  His chinstrap was up by the bridge of his nose.  Ford’s blindside block penalty was a terrible call.  

 

And to top it off, the Houston 3rd and 18 where the play clock ran out.  Why in this day and age does the referee not have a buzzer or some other signal in his headset for the play clock?  Every high school gym uses a buzzer when time runs out. The NFL can’t do that?

The first down given to Beasley was unquestionably and obviously correct. In the NFL, if you go down, you can get back up and continue forward progress unless you are touched while down. His knee went down, and he went airborne before being touched. It was as clear as day to everyone who knows nfl rules except the two numbskulls announcing the game for ESPN. 

Edited January 5, 2020 by dave mcbride

[snafu]

12 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I can’t get too worked up about the officiating - didn’t feel we deserved to win and got jobbed - we were a Bill O’Brien mouth-breath away from losing in regulation.

 

This is true.  He really gifted us the opportunity to tie the game. What a dope that guy is.

 

 

2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

The first down given to Beasley was unquestionably and obviously correct. In the NFL, if you go down, you can get back up and continue forward progress unless you are touched while down. His knee went down, and he went airborne before being touched. It was as clear as day to everyone who knows nfl rules except the two numbskulls announcing the game for ESPN. 

 

I understand that.  I just thought he landed the second time short of the first down. Not the first knee touch. Granted, I was pretty delirious at that point. 

 

 

 

[dave mcbride]

4 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

This is true.  He really gifted us the opportunity to tie the game. What a dope that guy is.

 

 

 

I understand that.  I just thought he landed the second time short of the first down. Not the first knee touch. Granted, I was pretty delirious at that point. 

 

 

 

He got it. It was close, but officials tend to spot it on the hash line if it’s really close, especially if the clock is ticking and they don’t want to delay the game.

Edited January 5, 2020 by dave mcbride

[BADOLBILZ]

21 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

He was reported to have high intelligence coming out.  He’s just incredibly heavy-footed and this regime is stubborn to a fault.  You have to Peterman yourself out of the lineup if you’re one of “their guys” and even that takes multiple games/seasons of suckitude.

 

But you’re 100% right about that play he did it the play before, wasn’t called, then punched the guy in the facemask with both hands off the snap the very next play!

 

 

Unfortunately emotional intelligence must not be part of the McBeane equation.     He's always had a history for getting out of control and doing stupid things.   On the field he is in the top 5% of dumb players.   He didn't hurt my point when he immediately went on social media last night.   I mean that was even dumber than if he'd gone back to the face on a THIRD play in a row.   Move him to guard and take the L McBeane.

[Coach Tuesday]

Just now, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Unfortunately emotional intelligence must not be part of the McBeane equation.     He's always had a history for getting out of control and doing stupid things.   On the field he is in the top 5% of dumb players.   He didn't hurt my point when he immediately went on social media last night.   I mean that was even dumber than if he'd gone back to the face on a THIRD play in a row.   Move him to guard and take the L McBeane.

Yeah fighting with fans after making the two or three worst, most decisive errors of the game, is a bad look.  He may just be smart but mentally week - he’s starting to remind me of Jonathan Martin.

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 hour ago, pennstate10 said:

Actually, according to the rule book, the call on Ford was wrong. 

Look at Mike Periera twitter for an explanation 

 

 

[Jay_Fixit]

1 hour ago, goldenboy81 said:

I always tell everyone the Bills have to beat the team and the refs every week.. it's a shame

I’m sure everyone really listens.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

 

 

 

Yep and IMO any of the other 4 Bills OL make that block there is no flag.

 

You get a reputation for cheap shots you don't get the benefit of the doubt.

[Albwan]

I think there's enough evidence to at least consider the nfl through ref proxies 

control the desired outcome of games.

[Livinginthepast]

56 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

By the same logic we scored a TD on that kickoff. If they wanted to use "common sense" rules I get it, but be consistent with it. This is what kills me about the NFL. It's impossible in the moment to know if anything is a penalty, or if any call will stand. It shouldn't be difficult for a multibillion dollar organization to fix it. Which begs the question, why haven't they fixed it?

They can fix it easily by having their officials in the booth overrule really bad calls or give the coaches the ability to challenge any penalty (at least once) in the game.  Or they could do what they did yesterday and have those black shirted mystery officials talk to the official on the field out of the call and make him an offer he cannot refuse.

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, Meatloaf63 said:

When a qB gets sacked 6 times and there never once was There a holding call, that’s a big red flag. There should be an investigation into why Hughs never gets the call. It’s obvious that he has been black balled by the officiating for standing up against one of there brothers. Every play should be reviewed of his and offenders should be fined. 

Hughes was held and tackled on the 3rd & 18. The so called Ford blindside was clearly the worst call in the game.  It didn't matter. The NFL was drooling over another week of a JJ narrative. At this point Jerry will never get calls because of his history and that's all the more reason to move on from him. As for controversy,  it's the  Bills. They rarely get calls over teams that have marketable ad revenue  generating stars. 

[zow2]

Watch the remaining 9 playoff games.  There will be some horrible and dreadful calls and non-calls. It happened to the Bills yesterday.  It happens in nearly every game. It’s not right... it just is.

 

watch Houston at KC next week.  I bet the Texans rack up 7 or 8 penalties and some will be ticky tack. And their fans will be crying about it on Sunday night when they get pounded by KC.

[May Day 10]

On one of houston's big 3rd down plays, there was a blatant block in the back right in view of everyone.  It was on philips i think