Phil The Thrill Posted January 5, 2020 Author Posted January 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: I saw no limitations on that opening drive. Was that all a fluke? It was scripted and he carried out a script. When it came time to diagnose and read a defense he couldn’t get it done. There also wasn’t as much pressure.
Meatloaf63 Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: Or someone that is calling Josh Allen’s second half what it was - an absolute meltdown. He played poorly more excuses for Allen Yes because Josh is responsible for all the jail break pass rushes that instantly broke though the line sometimes with only 3 defenders rushing. Or for having to give the ball to an over the hill running back on second and long who cant even average 2 yards a carry, or having to throw go routes to a full back. And ignoring he brought us back to tie the game on the road in a hostile environment. What was I thinking, you’re right he sucks... SMH where are your excuses for your lousy takes on a football player? 2
DCbillsfan Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: Defense and running the ball wins playoff games. In the second half our D let down and we quit letting Motor and Allen run. This and settling for FGs won't win playoff games. Brown not getting feet down inside the 5 yard line and Williams not catching ball in end zone were missed opportunities. It was a weird game. They were close to blowing them out in the first half. 1
Mark Vader Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: It was scripted and he carried out a script. When it came time to diagnose and read a defense he couldn’t get it done. There also wasn’t as much pressure. He was getting it done in the first half. Then we get to the Texans 30 yard line with just over a minute to go with two time outs and decide to let the clock run and settle for a field goal instead of trying for a touchdown. That's because of Josh Allen?! Edited January 5, 2020 by Mark Vader 2
Phil The Thrill Posted January 5, 2020 Author Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Mark Vader said: He was getting it done in the first half. Then we get to the Texans' 30 yard line with just over a minute to go with two time outs and decide to let the clock run and settle for a field goal instead of trying for a touchdown. That's because of Josh Allen?! The first half wasn’t a problem. It was the second half where he melted down
Meatloaf63 Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, Mark Vader said: He was getting it done in the first half. Then we get to the Texans' 30 yard line with just over a minute to go with two time outs and decide to let the clock run and settle for a field goal instead of trying for a touchdown. That's because of Josh Allen?! Forget it, the guy is just clueless and chooses to just see what he wants...
NoSaint Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, SCBills said: We actually gave up 3 straight scores. (One off a short field). The two TD drives were both long, methodical drives that were both capped by 2 point conversions. We have up a 3rd and 18 in do or die OT. The Texans were missing the 3rd top weapon after Watson/Hopkins. I don’t believe today is the day to make excuses for a defense that is heavily weighted in coaching, resources and talent on this roster. they held a good offense to 5 points below league average through the end of regulation. im not saying they were GREAT but they had an above average game. our offense, played below average. And has more resources than sometimes given credit. Josh is a huge investment. Morse is big. Beasley and Brown aren’t insignificant spends. Singletary, ford and Dawkins are all high picks. I’d venture Knox, smith and kroft add up as above average investment at the position (Kroft paid average/slightly above starter money smith low starter/elite back up, and the rookie a day 2 pick). They need a WR1 but aren’t totally neglected. 12 minutes ago, Doc said: Yeah and the rest of the offense and defense played great. Our leader definitely led the way, doc. It’s ok to say the end wasn’t great for anyone but was awful for someone Edited January 5, 2020 by NoSaint
DCbillsfan Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: The first half wasn’t a problem. It was the second half where he melted down No. If you are blaming Allen in the 2nd half then you have to blame in the first half. Only 13 points. Did he blow the throw to Williams? Did he blow the throw to Brown inside the 5? Or was it on them? If they score touchdowns there, they're up 21 - 0. Totally different game if that occurs. Instead they're dominating but only up 13 - 0. It was a team loss. Quit trying to pin it solely on Allen. It's a team game.
SCBills Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, NoSaint said: they held a good offense to 5 points below league average through the end of regulation. im not saying they were GREAT but they had an above average game. our offense, played below average. And has more resources than sometimes given credit. Josh is a huge investment. Morse is big. Beasley and Brown aren’t insignificant spends. Singletary, ford and Dawkins are all high picks. I’d venture Knox, smith and kraft add up as above average investment (Kroft paid average/slightly above starter money smith low starter/elite back up, and the rookie a day 2 pick). They need a WR1 but aren’t totally neglected. Kroft looks like a miss... and that’s fine. The OL is solid. Not great, but solid. Singletary is a stud, but the drop off to Gore was massive this year. Knox has the potential to be a top TE in this league, but he was a rookie, and TE’s typically take time to develop. WR... Brown and Beasley helped this year, but they’re not the answer. It’s akin to thinking Robbie Anderson and Jamison Crowder are good building blocks for Sam in NY. Light years better than we had, but this playoff game, with Duke and Devin as our top WR threats, said everything that needs to be said. We know Josh is a crazy talent who does crazy things. Both good and bad. He will have to get to the point where he elevates those around him, but it’s ok to devote resources to maximizing his chance at developing... That means big catch radius guys. Look how much he trusted Duke, and Duke hasnt even played with him in months. Btw... this isn’t just a Josh Allen thing. Watson has struggled without Fuller. His splits are night and day.... and he still has Hopkins out there.
apuszczalowski Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 38 minutes ago, Doc said: For those criticizing Josh in the 4th quarter, did you actually watch the play of the OL? Have you watched the OL in front of the QB who just beat the Bills? Isn't Watson one of the most sacked QBs? Got any other excuses? 1
NoSaint Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, SCBills said: Kroft looks like a miss... and that’s fine. The OL is solid. Not great, but solid. Singletary is a stud, but the drop off to Gore was massive this year. Knox has the potential to be a top TE in this league, but he was a rookie, and TE’s typically take time to develop. WR... Brown and Beasley helped this year, but they’re not the answer. It’s akin to thinking Robbie Anderson and Jamison Crowder are good building blocks for Sam in NY. Light years better than we had, but this playoff game, with Duke and Devin as our top WR threats, said everything that needs to be said. We know Josh is a crazy talent who does crazy things. Both good and bad. He will have to get to the point where he elevates those around him, but it’s ok to devote resources to maximizing his chance at developing... That means big catch radius guys. Look how much he trusted Duke, and Duke hasnt even played with him in months. Btw... this isn’t just a Josh Allen thing. Watson has struggled without Fuller. His splits are night and day.... and he still has Hopkins out there. My point wasn’t those guys playing well enough, it’s that we can only hide the offense behind “not enough resources” so much. they have spent high picks and free agent dollars there. Not as much but it’s not a neglected wasteland that shouldn’t have expectations attached to them.
BringBackOrton Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 Just another game we got carried by our offense, like we did all year. 1
Phil The Thrill Posted January 5, 2020 Author Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Just another game we got carried by our offense, like we did all year. Hopefully this is sarcasm?
Doc Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: Have you watched the OL in front of the QB who just beat the Bills? Isn't Watson one of the most sacked QBs? Got any other excuses? So...Watson has more escapability and the Bills' defense can't tackle for *****? Is that what you want to hang your hat on? 1
BringBackOrton Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Phil The Thrill said: Hopefully this is sarcasm? There were a bunch of discussions about how the Bills offense was the reason we were winning games and the defense wasn't carrying us at all. Prior to yesterday ofc. Edited January 5, 2020 by BringBackOrton
Phil The Thrill Posted January 5, 2020 Author Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, BringBackOrton said: There were a bunch of discussions about how the Bills offense was the reason we were winning games and the defense wasn't carrying us at all. Prior to yesterday ofc. Yeah....not quite
apuszczalowski Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, NoSaint said: My point wasn’t those guys playing well enough, it’s that we can only hide the offense behind “not enough resources” so much. they have spent high picks and free agent dollars there. Not as much but it’s not a neglected wasteland that shouldn’t have expectations attached to them. They have made the defence the primary focus since they got here and will probably continue that this offseason too. This front office still thinks the way to success is defence first 2 minutes ago, Doc said: So...Watson has more escapability and the Bills' defense can't tackle for *****? Is that what you want to hang your hat on? You want to use the oline as an excuse yet they were just beat by a team with one thats worse and doesn't need to use it as an excuse
Meatloaf63 Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, apuszczalowski said: They have made the defence the primary focus since they got here and will probably continue that this offseason too. This front office still thinks the way to success is defence first But here you are blaming a second year quarterback who has had little resources given to him besides a rookie running back. His offense of line is average at best, he has one of the worst receiving cores in the league, and he has an offense of coordinator that can’t call 60 minutes to save his life but I guess you’re right it’s Josh Allen’s fault. Edited January 5, 2020 by Meatloaf63 1
CaptnCoke11 Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 Offensive plan in the second half was abysmal. No excuses for it. They deserved to lose that game when they went into scared to lose mode 1 1
WideRightRevenge Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 53 minutes ago, Pay_Poyer said: I’m not saying that Allen doesn’t deserve blame, but he’s not the one who gave up 19 points in the second half. And yes, he made some boneheaded decisions (throwing deep to a FB, that lateral) but let’s not forget some of the GREAT throws he made-the throw across the field to Duke, the laser to Singletary on third down across his body as he was forced to the sideline, the perfect throw to Duke in the end zone (tough catch but it could’ve been made). This is the problem with social media today. Very rarely do people acknowledge the good and bad. If you didn’t like Allen from the beginning you are always looking at the flaws. If you’re in team Allen you are always looking for other reasons why the team played poorly. Was he a reason for the loss last night-yes. If he is in your top 2 or 3 reasons why they lost though you weren’t watching the same game I was Totally agree with you comment here ... just curious can you expand you tag to Pay - Poyer & White
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