Bangarang Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 I voted no, not because I don’t think he can ever get there but he’s just not there right now. Part of me believes the QB he is now is the one he will always be.
Phils n Bills Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 6 foot 4 quarterback. 5 foot 10 wide receivers. Get this guy a big body out there and a right tackle, a complimentary back to singletary and then let’s see what we have. This isn’t a finished product and we’ve still seen growth in the kid.
oldmanfan Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 16 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: OK, then let's make it about Josh as a franchise QB. I am only slightly more confident in him now than I was in Tyrod c. 2017. Can anyone disagree with this proposition: if Tyrod Taylor had been our starting QB this year, the likely result would have been exactly the same as with Josh Allen as our starting QB. I can absolutely disagree with this. Allen led a number of fourth quarter comebacks including today. Taylor did not 1
The Frankish Reich Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: I can absolutely disagree with this. Allen led a number of fourth quarter comebacks including today. Taylor did not I prefer QBs who don't fall behind in the first place.
Rob's House Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 Bring on the Moe's and Hoes... I didn't vote because there wasn't an option for maybe. He's shown enough that I wouldn't be looking for his replacement, but there are still some question marks. He's got some truly elite skills. He's a hard worker who's dedicated to the team. He's a gamer who lays it all on the line. He made a big leap from year 1 to year 2. But he still has to improve to be a guy who can win with some consistency against good teams. It's all about his growth. Where will it stop? No one knows. (Like I said before bring on the Moes and hoes). I think by this time next year we'll have our answer.
oldmanfan Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, The Frankish Reich said: I prefer QBs who don't fall behind in the first place. So you have no logical argument then. Pretty much what I thought.
MJS Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Eternal Pessimist said: No Did you start an account just for this riveting comment? 1
y2zipper Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 The clear answer is not yet. Allen was rattled in the 2nd half and failed to make a play during critical times in the game. Houston won because Watson was able to make a really great play in overtime. 2
Cripple Creek Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Bakin said: Thoughts? Don’t know, but Beane and McDermott need to make up theirs minds by the end of next season. We’ve seen some really good things, but, not consistently enough to invest $35-40M/year. 2020/1 is make or break for him.
Boatdrinks Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, y2zipper said: The clear answer is not yet. Allen was rattled in the 2nd half and failed to make a play during critical times in the game. Houston won because Watson was able to make a really great play in overtime. Or Milano whiffed on a fairly routine sack. It’s a very fine line.
The Frankish Reich Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: So you have no logical argument then. Pretty much what I thought. The logical argument is this: - the Bills were 1-5 (including today) against playoff teams - we won exactly one game against a team with a winning record We all agree that the Bills have a very good defense. It's hard to imagine how a QB like Tyrod Taylor would not have led the team to the same record, give or take a game. Mitch Trubisky's Bears won 12 last year with a very good defense and an easy schedule. Edited January 5, 2020 by The Frankish Reich 1
oldmanfan Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, The Frankish Reich said: The logical argument is this: - the Bills were 1-5 (including today) against playoff teams - we won exactly one game against a team with a winning record We all agree that the Bills have a very good defense. It's hard to imagine how a QB like Tyrod Taylor would not have led the team to the same record, give or take a game. Allen got us to the playoffs. Taylor in my opinion would not have because he would not have pulled off the fourth quarter drives Allen pulled off.
The Frankish Reich Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, oldmanfan said: Allen got us to the playoffs. Taylor in my opinion would not have because he would not have pulled off the fourth quarter drives Allen pulled off. Well, my comment before was admittedly snarky -- I prefer QBs that don't fall behind in the first place. But since you asked for logic, I'll rephrase it in a logical/non-snarky way: the Bills had to come from behind because their offense simply didn't score enough to put them in the lead in many games. They scored 30 or more points twice this year ... and both times against the Dolphins. You aren't going to have many leads when you're not scoring. I did see a lot of things to like about Allen, particularly when he played looser and more instinctively in those comeback wins. But we can't get distracted by that and lose track of how poor the offense was overall. 2
oldmanfan Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, The Frankish Reich said: Well, my comment before was admittedly snarky -- I prefer QBs that don't fall behind in the first place. But since you asked for logic, I'll rephrase it in a logical/non-snarky way: the Bills had to come from behind because their offense simply didn't score enough to put them in the lead in many games. They scored 30 or more points twice this year ... and both times against the Dolphins. You aren't going to have many leads when you're not scoring. I did see a lot of things to like about Allen, particularly when he played looser and more instinctively in those comeback wins. But we can't get distracted by that and lose track of how poor the offense was overall. True. We need to improve on offense. Allen needs to continue to mature, O line is improved but needs more, same with the WR position. Play calling needs to improve.
Hampton Josh fan Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 Anyone who says no,should transition to another sport or not get involved in these forums.
The Frankish Reich Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, oldmanfan said: True. We need to improve on offense. Allen needs to continue to mature, O line is improved but needs more, same with the WR position. Play calling needs to improve. So I think we agree more than disagree. Absolutely Allen should get another year as the undisputed starting QB. He could go all Trubisky on us - clear improvement in Year 2 followed by sliding backwards in Year 3. Or Mariota. Or maybe he could take another step forward. I just don't know which way it will go, but in my mind he has one year to do it ... at that point we're talking about whether we exercise that 5th year option on him for big money or whether we go looking for an upgrade, even if it is someone like what the Titans did with Tannehill this year. I would definitely look to bring in someone better than Barkley as a backup next year to push Allen a bit and to have an option in case of injury or ineffectiveness.
BillsFan4 Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 There needs to be a voting option for “too soon to tell yet”. I think hes definitely trending in the direction of being our franchise QB, and I’m more hopeful about Allen than any QB the Bills have had in a long time. But I think it’s too soon to say definitively that he’s a franchise QB. Right now, he’s probably more in line with “average starter”. That mid tier of QBs, but I think his ceiling is sky high and he has the work ethic and smarts to get there. But only time will tell. I’m very hopeful that he will take another step forward next season, but I’ve been a Bills fan for a long time so I’m cautious about being too optimistic.
The Frankish Reich Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hampton Josh fan said: Anyone who says no,should transition to another sport or not get involved in these forums. What a fun sports world that would be. We could all just go on these boards and try to one-up each other with Praise for Josh.
oldmanfan Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: So I think we agree more than disagree. Absolutely Allen should get another year as the undisputed starting QB. He could go all Trubisky on us - clear improvement in Year 2 followed by sliding backwards in Year 3. Or Mariota. Or maybe he could take another step forward. I just don't know which way it will go, but in my mind he has one year to do it ... at that point we're talking about whether we exercise that 5th year option on him for big money or whether we go looking for an upgrade, even if it is someone like what the Titans did with Tannehill this year. I would definitely look to bring in someone better than Barkley as a backup next year to push Allen a bit and to have an option in case of injury or ineffectiveness. Well we disagree that Taylor would have been as good this year. Allen progressed a lot this year and I see no reason why he won’t continue to improve next year.
BullBuchanan Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 13 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Allen got us to the playoffs. Taylor in my opinion would not have because he would not have pulled off the fourth quarter drives Allen pulled off. Allen needed to pull off 4th quarter drives because he put us in that position to begin with. Those drives also came against the bottom feeders of the league that we should have never been behind at any point. I wouldn't be so quick to laude him with accolades 1
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