Daboll Brutal Down the Stretch

[kbarrettb]

Josh Allen w 52% passing and being absolutely atrocious with running backwards and getting sacked on a 4th down play was just awful. Josh Allen needs to be 1000% better next year that was unacceptable play from a “franchise” “qb”. It’s laughable anyone thinks he’s anywhere close to being at Watson’s level. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

14 hours ago, billsfan_34 said:

Dabs called an awful second half and in OT played like we were pressed for time! Please Cleveland you can have him as your next HC. Allen was, at times, doing things that were completely stupid. On to the off-season.

 

....FAR too inconsistent......something starts working and he abandons it.............play fearless so he can then coach FEARFUL........SMH..........

[jrober38]

11 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

The Texans were 25th in rushing yards allowed too.

 

If you go back and look over what has won games on offense for the Bills the latter half of this season. Its when they have a balanced offensive attack or run more often and pass less. 

 

That Steelers game, Buffalo 38 rushes, 25 passes =win!

 

That Cowboys game, Buffalo 34 rushes, 25 passes = win!

 

That Denver game, Buffalo 47 rushes, 25 passes = win! 

 

That Redskins game, Buffalo 39 rushes, 20 passes =win!

 

Conversely, 

 

That Cleveland Game, Buffalo 20 rushes, 41 passes = loss

 

That Baltimore game, Buffalo 23 rushes, 49 passes=loss

 

That New England game, Buffalo 23 rushes, 26 passes=loss

 

That Texans game, Buffalo 30 rushes, 48 passes=loss Josh Allen had 9 carries for 92 yards a 10.2 YPC avg and 1 receiving TD. 

 

Notice the trend here when Buffalo runs the ball more then they throw it, they win! When they pass more it puts more pressure on that young QB to carry the game and they lose.

 

Either this Bills OC doesn't know how to make the run game work so he forces the young, inexperienced QB carry the offense. Or he is attempting to show the world how great an offensive mind he is by forcing the pass game work no matter what. The offensive pass protections break down and the OC has no answer. the receivers have difficulty getting open and the Bills OC has no answer. Lot of Bills fans want to pile on the QB and yet he simply doesn't have enough playing experience to throw 48 times in a playoff game.

 

 

 

In other words, when we rely on Josh Allen to make plays and be the focal point on offense, we lose.

[billsfan_34]

5 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

....FAR too inconsistent......something starts working and he abandons it.............play fearless so he can then coach FEARFUL........SMH..........

It is baffling right? Devin was getting what, 4.8 a clip? In OT in the playoffs time does not matter but the dumb Dabs called it like we were pressed. The recipe was simple, run the ball with a few passes mixed in and most likely we win the game.

 

On a side bar- Josh has to learn how to sell play action and also hand the ball off. How many times is he running forward while handing it off? It is sooooo bizarre and impedes our RB. Stick the ball in his bread basket and let him do his thing.

[DuckyBoys]

8 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

In other words, when we rely on Josh Allen to make plays and be the focal point on offense, we lose.

 

 

When he's asked to do too much he falters.  He is always the focal point  He did account for 90% of the Bills tds this year.  Daboll put him in way too many bad situations.  OT and Singeltary is not involved.  5wr sets with Gore and Dimarco?  Even stupid Bill O'Brien didnt put Watson out there in shotgun empty on every snap  He knew clock was no factor and involved Duke Johnson to help his qb get the ball out if Hopkins was covered.

[Nihilarian]

1 hour ago, jrober38 said:

 

In other words, when we rely on Josh Allen to make plays and be the focal point on offense, we lose.

Its not just on Allen as Barkley has looked bad in Brian Daboll's overly complicated passing offense too. In fact, every offense this man has been in charge of the passing offense is in the 20's or 30's regardless of who the QB is...

 

The NE Patriots had the #1 defense and #2 against the pass. #1 in TD passes allowed and #1 in INTs. So what did Tennessee do to beat them? 40 rushes-16 passes.

Yea, Tannehill was 9 of 16 for 76 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT.  Meanwhile, RB Derrick Henry 34 rushes for 182 yards, 1 TD.  IN NEW ENGLAND! 

 

 

[Sweats]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

I just hate this offense.... just feel like positive yards is so hard for them. Too much complexity. I wouldn't care if they let Daboll go. 

I don't trust McDermott at all with this offense going forward. He's got no clue.

 

 

 

He absolutely has no clue how an offense works.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

In overtime he actually called a perfect play. A little too perfect for our players to execute apparently. The QB sweep on first down. I actually jumped out of my seat as soon as the ball was snapped because it immediately looked like a great play. We had the Texans beat from the snap. Josh had not one but two lead blockers. Only needed to block one guy. Both Knox and the o-lineman (don't remember who) must have figured the other guy would make the block. Instead of picking up at minimum 7 yards on the play if not a first down, Allen gets crushed and only gains one yard. A good example of players needing to execute the play calls.

[Don Otreply]

15 hours ago, billsfan_34 said:

Dabs called an awful second half and in OT played like we were pressed for time! Please Cleveland you can have him as your next HC. Allen was, at times, doing things that were completely stupid. On to the off-season.

Yup, Daboll went away from what was the working, and not for the first time either, the team, all seemed to think they had it in the bag, coaches and all. We can hope it was a valuable leaning/teaching moment for the future. Never take your foot off the gas Sean!!!

 

Go Bills!! 

[jrober38]

11 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Its not just on Allen as Barkley has looked bad in Brian Daboll's overly complicated passing offense too. In fact, every offense this man has been in charge of the passing offense is in the 20's or 30's regardless of who the QB is...

 

The NE Patriots had the #1 defense and #2 against the pass. #1 in TD passes allowed and #1 in INTs. So what did Tennessee do to beat them? 40 rushes-16 passes.

Yea, Tannehill was 9 of 16 for 76 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT.  Meanwhile, RB Derrick Henry 34 rushes for 182 yards, 1 TD.  IN NEW ENGLAND! 

 

 

 

Barkley has looked bad because he's a horrible player.

 

We didn't play New England. We played the Houston Texans, who are near the bottom of the NFL in every defensive category, and we failed to score 20 points yet again. 

 

Our QB took another terrible grounding penalty on the cusp of field goal range, and his fumble was critical in giving the Texans comeback life. 

 

As I said last night, switch the QBs, and with Watson on our team we win a laugher by 30+ points. 

[Nihilarian]

1 hour ago, Sweats said:

You can be pissed off at Daboll all you want, however, at the end of the day, it's all on our HC.......he obviously has zero idea of how an offense works. Give him credit for building our D, but he had plenty of chances to step in over the course of the season when Daboll was failing and right the ship.......he didn't.

 

At the end of the day, Daboll is an OC, not the HC........the HC shoulders the load........right or wrong, it's HIS team and HIS responsibility to keep things rolling smooth or iron out the wrinkles.

You know you're right. This loss is on McD!  If he blames the QB for trying to do too much while allowing the OC call 48 passes a game. They both should be fired. 

 

Make Leslie Frazier the HC and promote Ken Dorsey to OC or hire Pat Schumer to OC.

 

Watching the Titans do to the Patriots what I had been hoping the Bills would do to them leaves me asking why could the Bills do this? 

[billsfan_34]

7 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Yup, Daboll went away from what was the working, and not for the first time either, the team, all seemed to think they had it in the bag, coaches and all. We can hope it was a valuable leaning/teaching moment for the future. Never take your foot off the gas Sean!!!

 

Go Bills!! 

Yep- Sean also has to take a hard look this offseason at the offense as a whole and what he wants it to look like. For 3 years now we have been at the bottom.

[Nihilarian]

2 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Barkley has looked bad because he's a horrible player.

 

We didn't play New England. We played the Houston Texans, who are near the bottom of the NFL in every defensive category, and we failed to score 20 points yet again. 

 

Our QB took another terrible grounding penalty on the cusp of field goal range, and his fumble was critical in giving the Texans comeback life. 

 

As I said last night, switch the QBs, and with Watson on our team we win a laugher by 30+ points. 

Wrong!  Barkley has had a 60% completion percentage or darn near until he plays in Daboll's offense. Now its 52.9%. Daboll and his craptastic scheme did that to him.

 

Josh Allen was the hero after the first half 13-0 and suddenly the Bills forgot how to run the ball in the second half. Frank Gore went 8 for 22 yards a 2.5 avg.with a 14 yard run, take away that 14 yard run and 7 times he ran for 1 yard!  Totally stupid to lose that way and it falls on the coaches. 

 

  The Texans asked Watson to throw only 25 times while running it 33 times. Reverse that with Buffalo and the Bills win! 

 

 

[jrober38]

5 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Wrong!  Barkley has had a 60% completion percentage or darn near until he plays in Daboll's offense. Now its 52.9%. Daboll and his craptastic scheme did that to him.

 

Josh Allen was the hero after the first half 13-0 and suddenly the Bills forgot how to run the ball in the second half. Frank Gore went 8 for 22 yards a 2.5 avg.with a 14 yard run, take away that 14 yard run and 7 times he ran for 1 yard!  Totally stupid to lose that way and it falls on the coaches. 

 

  The Texans asked Watson to throw only 25 times while running it 33 times. Reverse that with Buffalo and the Bills win! 

 

 

 

Calling Allen the hero of the first half is crazy.

 

7 of our points came on a drive dominated by trick plays called by the Offensive Coordinator you're ragging on. 

 

Otherwise we did very little offensively. 

 

With Allen it's always someone else's fault. When he plays poorly, someone else always seems to get the blame for Allen's struggles as a passer against competent competition. 

 

The Texans pass D is horrible and Allen couldn't perform. Our QB posted another rating below 70 against a team that's allowed an average rating of 97.6 this season (25th in the NFL). 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

7 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

You know you're right. This loss is on McD!  If he blames the QB for trying to do too much while allowing the OC call 48 passes a game. They both should be fired. 

 

Make Leslie Frazier the HC and promote Ken Dorsey to OC or hire Pat Schumer to OC.

 

Watching the Titans do to the Patriots what I had been hoping the Bills would do to them leaves me asking why could the Bills do this? 

 

...water over the 2019 dam and too late for blame game, but here are some "senior moment" observations.....

 

1. Certainly cannot deny McDermott's defensive background is clearly evident in the offensive philosophy. I'm choking on "play fearless while I coach fearful". Focusing on <20 points will never get it done period.

2. Daboll is woefully inconsistent and I'm not buying, "well it's the personnel stupid". It's too convenient. Good coaches coach to their personnel's strengths. He is too quick to abandon what is working and is woefully inept to readjust (for some here, "Brian, Jimmy Haslam is on line one" is the answer).

3. Frazier is a DC and I don't foresee him as HC material (some make the transition and others revert back to their roots as Frazier did). Several times he should the ability to adjust after a slow start. Other times, we did not. Certainly of late there were missed tackles woes, but that is more player discipline. They get paid a helluva lot of money to blow tackles at this late date.

4. McBeane has $90+ mil and numerous picks at his disposal. If he focuses on the offense and brings in a bevy of talent upgrades, while we continue to wallow in the "<20 points is a winning formula", what's next? ON PAPER, the 2020 schedule looks far more difficult (on paper because we have no idea how opposition rosters will change). If it does turn out to be more difficult, any confidence here that "<20 coach fearful ball" still gets us to 10-6?....

 

.....stay tuned............

[GoBills808]

17 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

No. That was Morse. 

 

@ScottLaw- Circled in red are Knox and Ford, unsurprisingly two rookies who both miss Cunningham. Morse is NOT responsible for picking up the LB. Plain as day.

 

Edited January 5, 2020 by GoBills808

[Mr. WEO]

Since the glorious win in Dallas, the Bills would win a single game the remainder of the season (vs the John Conor Steelers) and would never score 20 points again.

 

Daboll is wasting the Bills time.  He's the rate limiting step in the development in this offense.  He's a bum.

Edited January 5, 2020 by Mr. WEO

[Nihilarian]

3 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

Calling Allen the hero of the first half is crazy.

 

7 of our points came on a drive dominated by trick plays called by the Offensive Coordinator you're ragging on. 

 

Otherwise we did very little offensively. 

 

With Allen it's always someone else's fault. When he plays poorly, someone else always seems to get the blame for Allen's struggles as a passer against competent competition. 

 

The Texans pass D is horrible and Allen couldn't perform. Our QB posted another rating below 70 against a team that's allowed an average rating of 97.6 this season (25th in the NFL). 

Go back and read that first half thread for Buffalo, Texans. Many, many Bills fans were calling him a hero. Out of four first half drives for the Bills TD, punt, FG, FG. 

 

You just explained why Josh Allen isn't the problem. That trick play was the only TD play for the Bills. Why can't this OC get the run game going well enough to carry the offense. Why doesn't the passing offense work? Why can't this team make screen plays work? 

 

Your ragging on the Bills QB and yet he was the teams leading rusher with 9 rushes for 92 yards a 10.2 YPC avg. Allen also had one receiving TD. 

 

What you just don't get is that the Bills current offensive coordinator has been with four NFL teams with multiple QBs and they all have played poorly. Dabolls passing offenses have all been in the upper 20's, 30's. None have been good. 

[familykwi]

20 hours ago, Joaquin1119 said:

Like always, it’s always next year 

Win, or lose, it's always next year.

 

I did expect the Bills to win yesterday, but I did not expect them to advance further.  Too many repeated flaws to overtake elite teams.  We're better and I enjoyed rooting for MY team on a playoff weekend and actually believing we could win.

 

I just hope we make further strides forward this off season.  Getting many players to work together this off season will be nice.  I hope we can be healthier this off season than we were this past year.

[Meatloaf63]

59 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Go back and read that first half thread for Buffalo, Texans. Many, many Bills fans were calling him a hero. Out of four first half drives for the Bills TD, punt, FG, FG. 

 

You just explained why Josh Allen isn't the problem. That trick play was the only TD play for the Bills. Why can't this OC get the run game going well enough to carry the offense. Why doesn't the passing offense work? Why can't this team make screen plays work? 

 

Your ragging on the Bills QB and yet he was the teams leading rusher with 9 rushes for 92 yards a 10.2 YPC avg. Allen also had one receiving TD. 

 

What you just don't get is that the Bills current offensive coordinator has been with four NFL teams with multiple QBs and they all have played poorly. Dabolls passing offenses have all been in the upper 20's, 30's. None have been good. 

You’re arguing with a brick wall, he made his mind up on draft night and won’t let it go. Better left ignored he doesn’t bring a shred of intelligence to the conversation...