keepthefaith Posted January 6, 2020 Posted January 6, 2020 On 1/6/2020 at 7:46 PM, Tiberius said: I wish we could just press a button and turn them into a democratic/republic. Most Iranians would like this too Expand We can agree on that. Imagine if Iran's leadership looked back upon the last 40 years or so and came to the conclusion that they no longer wish to eliminate Israel from the map and are willing to take that position in negotiating some treaties and trade agreements. Imagine what could get done.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted January 6, 2020 Posted January 6, 2020 On 1/6/2020 at 6:01 PM, Bob in Mich said: No patriotic American could disagree with those goals. But, again, what was gained by tearing up the agreement? A solution for one of those goals was in place for the next 10 years or so before Trump tore up the nuclear deal, recreating the original problem. Why didn't Trump get back the pallets of cash if we gave back the limitations?. Right, he couldn't. So, why not keep what we had gained then too? The answer you want I think is : EGO. Expand I agree. Trump should have gotten the cash back. All you do is check the routing....i mean look for the deposit sli...I mean go to the branch where...errrr uh get copies of the wire transfer doc...shoot, where would an Iranian despot keep his cash pallets? As importantly, where would Barrack hide the vig?
sherpa Posted January 6, 2020 Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) Sad, but the entire thing is a result of failing to address reality. The greatest example of kicking the can down the road. Does any sane individual with a modicum of knowledge about the Persian thing think for a second that Iran was going to abandon its nuclear program because of a "deal" with American President Barack Obama? Ludicrous. This preposterous view by grossly political Americans, (my party gets it right, yours gets it wrong), flies in the face of reality. There is no chance that Obama was going to stop them just as there is no chance that any diplomacy is going to stop them. Its simply an option to get a bunch of career pols around a table for a photo shoot and add something to a faked resume. Iran has never stopped, and is not going to stop developing this stuff until some other event occurs, and that has been the reality since they decided to pursue this weapons program. Obama, Trump, Lincoln or whomever, it doesn't matter. The theory that some president of the US has the negotiating skill to control such a decision in Tehran or Pyonyang is not supported by any current reality. Edited January 6, 2020 by sherpa 3 1
billsfan_34 Posted January 6, 2020 Posted January 6, 2020 On 1/6/2020 at 3:52 PM, Gary Busey said: In your opinion, how many times does one need to lie before they become a pathological liar? Expand Imo I suppose habitually- that is really a tough question.
Nanker Posted January 6, 2020 Posted January 6, 2020 On 1/6/2020 at 10:05 PM, sherpa said: Sad, but the entire thing is a result of failing to address reality. The greatest example of kicking the can down the road. Does any sane individual with a modicum of knowledge about the Persian thing think for a second that Iran was going to abandon its nuclear program because of a "deal" with American President Barack Obama? Ludicrous. This preposterous view by grossly political Americans, (my party gets it right, yours gets it wrong), flies in the face of reality. There is no chance that Obama was going to stop them just as there is no chance that any diplomacy is going to stop them. Its simply an option to get a bunch of career pols around a table for a photo shoot and add something to a faked resume. Iran has never stopped, and is not going to stop developing this stuff until some other event occurs, and that has been the reality since they decided to pursue this weapons program. Obama, Trump, Lincoln or whomever, it doesn't matter. The theory that some president of the US has the negotiating skill to control such a decision in Tehran or Pyonyang is not supported by any current reality. Expand Yes. See Cyrus, Darius, and Xerxes et al. Their conquests for empire date back nearly 3,000 years. They’ve been slow grinding that path for centuries and it won’t stop because of a nice European/Western formal agreement any more than Neville Chamberlain’s “piece of paper, that I hold in my hand, signed by Mister Hitler” was a stonewall that prevented WWII.
row_33 Posted January 6, 2020 Posted January 6, 2020 On 1/6/2020 at 10:22 PM, billsfan_34 said: Imo I suppose habitually- that is really a tough question. Expand who takes anything a politician says seriously after they are 11 years old? the party ticket has a sweeping tone to it and that's what matters, unless it doesn't have one....
John Adams Posted January 6, 2020 Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) So little talk about the administration trying to tie this killing to 9-11. Shocker. It started on the Twitter so I figured DR and Hedge would be all over it. Edited January 6, 2020 by John Adams
billsfan_34 Posted January 6, 2020 Posted January 6, 2020 On 1/6/2020 at 10:57 PM, row_33 said: who takes anything a politician says seriously after they are 11 years old? the party ticket has a sweeping tone to it and that's what matters, unless it doesn't have one.... Expand Not me thats for sure. Take Pelosi, Cruz, or Schumer for instance. They are all full of crap too! So were Bush’s. George Sr...”read my lips, no new taxes” or Obama...”if you like your hc provider, you can keep your provider”....
row_33 Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 On 1/6/2020 at 11:25 PM, billsfan_34 said: Not me thats for sure. Take Pelosi, Cruz, or Schumer for instance. They are all full of crap too! So were Bush’s. George Sr...”read my lips, no new taxes” or Obama...”if you like your hc provider, you can keep your provider”.... Expand I grew up with LBJ and Nixon and then Clinton and his lovely wife Bluto
billsfan_34 Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 On 1/7/2020 at 12:28 AM, row_33 said: I grew up with LBJ and Nixon and then Clinton and his lovely wife Bluto Expand Haha so you get it!!! 1
DC Tom Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 On 1/6/2020 at 11:08 PM, John Adams said: So little talk about the administration trying to tie this killing to 9-11. Expand I hadn't heard that. And if I had, I'd have simply ignored it, because that's stupid. 1
3rdnlng Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 On 1/7/2020 at 12:53 AM, DC Tom said: I hadn't heard that. And if I had, I'd have simply ignored it, because that's stupid. Expand He's referring to Mike Pence claiming that Salami arranged transportation for ten or twelve 9-11 hijackers to get from Lebanon to Afghanistan.
fansince88 Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 On 1/7/2020 at 12:53 AM, DC Tom said: I hadn't heard that. And if I had, I'd have simply ignored it, because that's stupid. Expand It isnt the administration. Its the dopes on facebook. While we must not forget it is foolish to tie this together. That said, I hope we didnt blow up those palets of cash.
John Adams Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 On 1/7/2020 at 12:53 AM, DC Tom said: I hadn't heard that. And if I had, I'd have simply ignored it, because that's stupid. Expand Well it was only the VP's statement about Sulimani. https://mobile.twitter.com/Mike_Pence/status/1213189757708189699?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1213189757708189699&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vox.com%2Fpolicy-and-politics%2F2020%2F1%2F4%2F21049671%2Fqassem-soleimani-iran-9-11-mike-pence-trump-administration Stupid in many ways. And amusing to tie this to Iran but never Saudi Arabia. Never!
Warren Zevon Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 On 1/6/2020 at 10:22 PM, billsfan_34 said: Imo I suppose habitually- that is really a tough question. Expand Trump has lied thousands of times about the most mundane of things. Skepticism is warranted.
John Adams Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) On 1/7/2020 at 1:39 AM, fansince88 said: It isnt the administration. Its the dopes on facebook. Expand No. It was the vice president speaking for the administration. Like a moran trying to justify the assassination by linking it to 9-11. But the Trump knob-gobblers ignore this. How about Trump supporting bombing cultural sites? Nothing to say about that either? Good critical thinking here boyz. Carry on. Edited January 7, 2020 by John Adams 1
Cinga Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 On 1/7/2020 at 1:39 AM, fansince88 said: It isnt the administration. Its the dopes on facebook. While we must not forget it is foolish to tie this together. That said, I hope we didnt blow up those palets of cash. Expand 1
Warren Zevon Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) On 1/7/2020 at 1:44 AM, John Adams said: How about Trump supporting bombing cultural sites? Nothing to say about that either? Good critical thinking here boyz. Carry on. Expand Here's a medium they might understand Edited January 7, 2020 by Gary Busey
John Adams Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) On 1/7/2020 at 1:55 AM, Cinga said: Expand Whataboutism ... 15 yard penalty and loss of gif posting privilege. On 1/7/2020 at 1:59 AM, Gary Busey said: Here's a medium they might understand Expand Good to see some morals. Trump will probably fire him and hire his mancrush who likes killing children prisoners. Trump has been on a classless rampage of late. Wait until Bolton testifies. Edited January 7, 2020 by John Adams
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