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I did a quick search for the thread that argued this very point--which I've been arguing for awhile, too--but couldn't find it... figured the point is relevant now.

 

The 2019 Buffalo Bills are a road team. And it's not just the whole notion that defense travels, though it does.

 

Our offense scored nearly 5 fewer points at home than on the road. And even if you want to argue that the last game against the Jets skews that, our offense still scored over 3 fewer points at home than on the road.

 

Somehow it all starts with Allen, who I truly believe feels added pressure when he plays at home that makes him play tighter. I hope he can get over this in the offseason, but anyone watching him play probably noticed it. And the numbers certainly bear it out.

 

Allen at home: 54.9% completion percentage, 5.9 YPA, 9 TDs, 5 INTs, 76.9 Passer Rating

 

Allen on the road: 62.1% completion percentage, 7.4 YPA, 11 TDs, 4 INTs, 92.6 Passer Rating 

 

4-4 at home

 

6-2 on the road

 

More 4th quarter comebacks on the road than at home.

 

2 primetime games both on the road. Both wins with Allen showing up on the big stage on the road.

 

Can't really argue the defenses he played at home vs on the road because he played an equal number of top 10 defenses at home (4) as he did on the road (4). 

 

Josh Allen vs top 10 defenses at home: 46.2% completion percentage, 4.5 YPA, 3 TDs, 3 INTs, 0 4th Quarter comebacks, 56.8 Passer Rating 

 

Josh Allen vs top 10 defenses on the road: 61.6% completion percentage, 7.4 YPA, 5 TDs, 3 INTs, 24th quarter comebacks, 88 Passer Rating 

 

 

I am not predicting a win. But honestly, I feel better about our offense and Josh Allen on the road on this big stage in a playoff game than I would have at home, where he seems to play tight under what appears to be added home crowd pressure.

 

What actually has me worried this week more is our defense, which is going up against a runner in Carlos Hyde who is the exact type of runner our defense has proven weak against this year. Not to mention Watson, Hopkins and potentially Fuller.

 

Nonetheless, I'm excited--and terrified--of this upcoming road playoff game and any we might have remaining if we win this one  :thumbsup:

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Our head coach's conservative offensive mindset and Daboll's inept play calling are the biggest reason to be concerned about our offense.  They've clipped his natural instincts wings.  He's even running strange and falling awkwardly when getting tackled.  Then when they need him to step up and use his instincts he consistently has delivered.  Yes, he misses some throws, they all do, not just young QB's.  A young QB is going to miss seeing the open guy at times.  

 

Your fear should be with our head coach wanting the time of possession to be with our defense.  That's a problem.  

 

The "play fearless" comment was a hoax.  

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Hmm. This is a little too extreme of a conclusion given the very limited data. It's a reach to assume Allen's performance dips at home due to "added pressure". There are countless factors involved, and I'd put that one toward the bottom of the list of possibilities.

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1 hour ago, White Linen said:

Our head coach's conservative offensive mindset and Daboll's inept play calling are the biggest reason to be concerned about our offense.  They've clipped his natural instincts wings.  He's even running strange and falling awkwardly when getting tackled.  Then when they need him to step up and use his instincts he consistently has delivered.  Yes, he misses some throws, they all do, not just young QB's.  A young QB is going to miss seeing the open guy at times.  

 

Your fear should be with our head coach wanting the time of possession to be with our defense.  That's a problem.  

 

The "play fearless" comment was a hoax.  


- accuracy 

- missed throws

 

How are these an issue of coaching and not execution?

 

 

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I love these theories as to why Allen is inaccurate.  They got increasingly incredible as the season went on. 

 

He's struggled with accuracy his entire collegiate and now professional career.  It has nothing to with "added pressure at home."  

 

He's inconsistent and inaccurate, that is all. 

 

There is no magic formula to fix it nor is there a dark cloud hovering over him at home games. 

 

Whatever his issues are they need to be corrected by next season.  If he's looking the same way this time next year, its pretty safe to say he's not our franchise guy. 

 

I pray his consistent side show up for at least this wild card round.   It will be a huge disappointment to lose in round 1 and lose to a passing defense ranked 26th in the NFL. 

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Josh’s home stats are so putrid they are not even worthy of a backup” QB...there should be major concern in the organization about it...I expect nothing short of more major upgrades to the offense this offseason...

 

if we could get his home production up to at least his road production, he might actually be able to be a top 15 QB...

 

that being said, I do feel more confident playing on the road...

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2 hours ago, White Linen said:

Our head coach's conservative offensive mindset and Daboll's inept play calling are the biggest reason to be concerned about our offense.  They've clipped his natural instincts wings.  He's even running strange and falling awkwardly when getting tackled.  Then when they need him to step up and use his instincts he consistently has delivered.  Yes, he misses some throws, they all do, not just young QB's.  A young QB is going to miss seeing the open guy at times.  

 

Your fear should be with our head coach wanting the time of possession to be with our defense.  That's a problem.  

 

The "play fearless" comment was a hoax.  

He plays his best when it's on the line I think. He has the heart.

7 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

We don't play well at home because we have no cheerleaders.

 

Image result for suzanne summer dance gif

Best GIF to date, perfect. This is what the Bills are lacking because they mistreated the beautiful sirens of sex magic.

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41 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Josh’s home stats are so putrid they are not even worthy of a backup” QB...there should be major concern in the organization about it...I expect nothing short of more major improvements to the offense this offseason...

 

if we could get his home production up to at least his road production, he might actually be able to be a top 15 QB...

 

Lol

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That first Pats game really skewed his stats as Belichick confused the hell out of him.  It's too small a sample size as he played better at home his rookie year.

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3 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

I did a quick search for the thread that argued this very point--which I've been arguing for awhile, too--but couldn't find it... figured the point is relevant now.

 

The 2019 Buffalo Bills are a road team. And it's not just the whole notion that defense travels, though it does.

 

Our offense scored nearly 5 fewer points at home than on the road. And even if you want to argue that the last game against the Jets skews that, our offense still scored over 3 fewer points at home than on the road.

 

Somehow it all starts with Allen, who I truly believe feels added pressure when he plays at home that makes him play tighter. I hope he can get over this in the offseason, but anyone watching him play probably noticed it. And the numbers certainly bear it out.

 

Allen at home: 54.9% completion percentage, 5.9 YPA, 9 TDs, 5 INTs, 76.9 Passer Rating

 

Allen on the road: 62.1% completion percentage, 7.4 YPA, 11 TDs, 4 INTs, 92.6 Passer Rating 

 

4-4 at home

 

6-2 on the road

 

More 4th quarter comebacks on the road than at home.

 

2 primetime games both on the road. Both wins with Allen showing up on the big stage on the road.

 

Can't really argue the defenses he played at home vs on the road because he played an equal number of top 10 defenses at home (4) as he did on the road (4). 

 

Josh Allen vs top 10 defenses at home: 46.2% completion percentage, 4.5 YPA, 3 TDs, 3 INTs, 0 4th Quarter comebacks, 56.8 Passer Rating 

 

Josh Allen vs top 10 defenses on the road: 61.6% completion percentage, 7.4 YPA, 5 TDs, 3 INTs, 24th quarter comebacks, 88 Passer Rating 

 

 

I am not predicting a win. But honestly, I feel better about our offense and Josh Allen on the road on this big stage in a playoff game than I would have at home, where he seems to play tight under what appears to be added home crowd pressure.

 

What actually has me worried this week more is our defense, which is going up against a runner in Carlos Hyde who is the exact type of runner our defense has proven weak against this year. Not to mention Watson, Hopkins and potentially Fuller.

 

Nonetheless, I'm excited--and terrified--of this upcoming road playoff game and any we might have remaining if we win this one  :thumbsup:

Yup, that was my thread, but I'm happy that you are carrying the torch. The home performance issue is a huge issue for this team.

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this season has been great.   essentially 11-5 , and the wins were largely solid and the losses were close.  I'll take 11-5 every season.  go Josh.   the process is delivering 2 wins for every loss.  taking it all day and night.   tremendous to have a team that is absolutely in every game , fighting for a win down to the final play.   absolutely love being able to watch Bills football again.   keep the process moving McBeanes. 

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was always as the road Wildcard

 

Had they beaten the Ravens the story changes. One busted play cost the Bills the game.   

Win that game and play the starters week 17 so much would be different.

(or not lost to the Eagles or the Pats****  first game and the dirty hit to Josh)

 

Unfortunately being the 5th seed .... It's not that easy. 

 

The first link is current, the latter two are outdated edits in red.

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/wild-card-teams-havent-reached-super-bowl-since-2013-heres-how-they-have-fared-since-playoff-expansion/

Wild-card teams haven't reached Super Bowl since 2013; here's how they have fared since playoff expansion

 

Teams that have earned a first-round bye have represented the AFC and the NFC in the Super Bowl in each of the past six years, with no wild-card team going to the Super Bowl since the 2012 Baltimore Ravens (they defeated San Francisco in Super Bowl XLVII).

 

Baltimore's Super Bowl win ended a streak of three consecutive Super Bowl winners to come out of the wild-card round -- the 2010 Green Bay Packers were a No. 6 seed and the 2011 New York Giants were a fourth seed (and a 9-win team) when they won the Super Bowl. Wild-card teams making the Super Bowl were commonplace between 2003 and 2012, as eight wild-card teams were able to reach the championship round, out of 20 participants, with six winning it all.

 

Being the No. 5 seed is the hardest path toward Super Bowl glory as the only No. 5 seed to make the Super Bowl was the 2007 Giants

 

 A history of NFL wild card teams to make it to Super Bowls ... 

Since the wild card format began in 1970, (50 years ago) there have been 11 wild card teams to make it to the Super Bowl. 7 of those 11 have won the Super Bowl.

1992 Bills (11-5)

On the way to appearing in their third straight Super Bowl, the Bills finished second in the AFC East behind the Dolphins, so they were the fourth seed and hosted the Oilers in the wild card game in an absolute classic. 

 

The Bills were down 35-3 to the Oilers when backup quarterback Frank Reich orchestrated an incredible comeback and the Bills won in overtime. They made it to the Super Bowl but were blown out by the Cowboys. 

Wild card round: vs. Oilers - Won 41-38 (OT) 
Divisional round: at Steelers - Won 24-3
AFC Championship: at Dolphins - Won 29-10
Super Bowl XXVII: vs. Cowboys - Lost 52-17

 

 

https://www.profootballhof.com/news/history-of-the-wild-card/

 

1975 Dallas Cowboys  (10-4-0, 2nd Place, NFC Eastern Division)
Divisional Playoff – at Minnesota Vikings – (W) – 17-14
NFC Championship – at Los Angeles Rams – (W) – 37-7
Super Bowl X – vs. Pittsburgh Steelers – (L) – 21-17

 

1980 Oakland Raiders ( 11-5-0, 2nd Place, AFC Western Division)
Wild Card Playoff – vs. Houston Oilers – (W) – 27-7
Divisional Playoff – at Cleveland Browns – (W) – 14-12
AFC Championship – at San Diego Chargers – (W) – 34-27
Super Bowl XV – vs. Philadelphia Eagles – (W) – 27-10

 

1985 New England Patriots (11-5-0, 3rd Place, AFC Eastern Division)
Wild Card Playoff – at New York Jets – (W) – 26-14
Divisional Playoff – at Los Angeles Raiders – (W) – 27-20
AFC Championship – at Miami Dolphins – (W) – 31-14
Super Bowl XX – vs. Chicago Bears – (L) – 46-10

 

1992 Buffalo Bills (11-5-0, 2nd Place, AFC Eastern Division)
Wild Card Playoff – vs. Houston Oilers – (W) – 41-38 (OT)
Divisional Playoff – at Pittsburgh Steelers – (W) – 24-3
AFC Championship – at Miami Dolphins – (W) – 29-10
Super Bowl XXVII – vs. Dallas Cowboys – (L) – 52-17

 

1997 Denver Broncos (12-4-0, 2nd Place, AFC Western Division)
Wild Card Playoff – vs. Jacksonville Jaguars – (W) – 42-17
Divisional Playoff – at Kansas City Chiefs – (W) – 14-10
AFC Championship – at Pittsburgh Steelers – (W) – 24-21
Super Bowl XXXII – vs. Green Bay Packers – (W) – 31-24

 

1999 Tennessee Titans (13-3-0, 2nd Place, AFC Central Division) *****
Wild Card Playoff – vs. Buffalo Bills – (W) – 22-16
Divisional Playoff – at Indianapolis Colts – (W) – 19-16
AFC Championship – at Jacksonville Jaguars – (W) – 33-14
Super Bowl XXXIV – vs. St. Louis Rams – (L) – 23-16

 

2000 Baltimore Ravens (12-4-0, 2nd Place, AFC Central Division)
Wild Card Playoff – vs. Denver Broncos – (W) – 21-3
Divisional Playoff – at Tennessee Titans – (W) – 24-10
AFC Championship – at Oakland Raiders – (W) – 16-3
Super Bowl XXXV – vs. New York Giants – (W) – 34-7

 

2005 Pittsburgh Steelers (11-5-0, 2nd Place, AFC North Division)
Wild Card Playoff – at Cincinnati Bengals – (W) 31-17
Divisional Playoff – at Indianapolis Colts – (W) 21-18
AFC Championship – at Denver Broncos – (W) 34-17
Super Bowl XL – vs. Seattle Seahawks – (W) 21-10

 

2007 New York Giants (10-6-0, 2nd Place, NFC East Division)
Wild Card Playoff – at Tampa Bay Buccaneers – (W) 24-14
Divisional Playoff – at Dallas Cowboys – (W) 21-17
NFC Championship – at Green Bay Packers – (W) 23-20 (OT)
Super Bowl XLII – vs. New England Patriots – (W) 17-14

2010 Green Bay Packers (10-6-0, 2nd Place, NFC North Division)
Wild Card Playoff – at Philadelphia Eagles – (W) 21-16
Divisional Playoff – at Atlanta Falcons – (W) 48-21
NFC Championship – at Chicago Bears – (W) 21-14
Super Bowl XLV – vs. Pittsburgh Steelers – (W) 31-25

 

2013 Baltimore Ravens

Edited 2012 to 2013 for the Year not the season.

 

 

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2 hours ago, TwistofFate said:

I love these theories as to why Allen is inaccurate.  They got increasingly incredible as the season went on. 

 

He's struggled with accuracy his entire collegiate and now professional career.  It has nothing to with "added pressure at home."  

 

He's inconsistent and inaccurate, that is all. 

 

There is no magic formula to fix it nor is there a dark cloud hovering over him at home games. 

 

Whatever his issues are they need to be corrected by next season.  If he's looking the same way this time next year, its pretty safe to say he's not our franchise guy. 

 

I pray his consistent side show up for at least this wild card round.   It will be a huge disappointment to lose in round 1 and lose to a passing defense ranked 26th in the NFL. 

 

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35 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

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2012 Baltimore Ravens

 

 

 

 

was that 2012 Raven team a wildcard too?

 

over 50 years it looks weak for a wildcard team, but from 2000 to 2013, it looked pretty good!

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8 minutes ago, colin said:

 

was that 2012 Raven team a wildcard too?

 

over 50 years it looks weak for a wildcard team, but from 2000 to 2013, it looked pretty good!

 

:oops:     let me clarify my error

 

2013 = 2012 season.

 

 

It can happen.  The chances are not that great. 

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There needs to be a park adjustment (baseball term)for games played at New ERA or any other stadium. Playing in the Super Dome or Indy vs the winds at New Era or the Meadowlands is like hitting at Coors Field vs a pitchers park. I did something a few weeks back that showed not just Josh Allen, but the opposing QBs ratings are impacted by the the cold, wind and rain in Buffalo vs. their home stadiums. This is real because both teams are impacted vs. playing in opposition venues for half its game.

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2 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

There needs to be a park adjustment (baseball term)for games played at New ERA or any other stadium. Playing in the Super Dome or Indy vs the winds at New Era or the Meadowlands is like hitting at Coors Field vs a pitchers park. I did something a few weeks back that showed not just Josh Allen, but the opposing QBs ratings are impacted by the the cold, wind and rain in Buffalo vs. their home stadiums. This is real because both teams are impacted vs. playing in opposition venues for half its game.

 

Weather is a factor. 

 

It may not be a benefit to the home team.

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