CodeMonkey Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: But he will still get the 100+ million dollar contract, that contract alone will put this team at a huge disadvantage for what Allen brings to the table as a QB. Same with White when he gets his 88mil, people will not be loving him so much when he has 3 INT's at the end of the season and cannot shut down a high end WR. We will be like the Washington fans trying to figure out why we paid a zone CB like Revis. Probably. He is certainly the best QB the Bills have had in quite some time. The whole salary cap tango GMs need to do makes my head hurt, so I generally don't think about it Edited January 5, 2020 by CodeMonkey
oldmanfan Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Matt Ryan. Matt Stafford. Cam Newton. Just off the top of my head. Guy named Brees. But he just threw a pick into double coverage so he is now a bum of course.
Billl Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Oh good. Another emotionally unhinged character that is unable to discuss Allen without having a tantrum. Address the points of discussion or move on. I have addressed the points. The fact that he made several completely boneheaded plays is only the second most concerning thing about him. The fact that he got away with almost all of them and still only managed 19 points is far more damning. People want to pretend he’s some gunslinger, but he’s not. Gunslingers make the other team pay when they fail to capitalize on mistakes. The Texans missed several opportunities to intercept passes, recover fumbles, punch it in after being handed a short field, etc., and they never did. They gave Josh chance after chance after chance to make Houston pay, and he couldn’t do it. The difference between Allen and Watson yesterday wasn’t that Watson’s best plays were better than Josh’s best plays. It’s that when Watson struggled he threw the ball away or went down with the ball securely in his possession. When Allen struggled, all hell broke loose. Edited January 5, 2020 by Billl 1
thebandit27 Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, Billl said: I have addressed the points. The fact that he made several completely boneheaded plays is only the second most concerning thing about him. The fact that he got away with almost all of them and still only managed 19 points is far more damning. People want to pretend he’s some gunslinger, but he’s not. Gunslingers make the other team pay when they fail to capitalize on mistakes. The Texans missed several opportunities to intercept passes, recover fumbles, punch it in after being handed a short field, etc., and they never did. They gave Josh chance after chance after chance to make Houston pay, and he couldn’t do it. The difference between Allen and Watson yesterday wasn’t that Watson’s best plays were better than Josh’s bet plays. It’s that when Watson struggled he threw the ball away or went down with the ball securely in his possession. When Allen struggled, all hell broke loose. That last paragraph is worth responding to because it’s an accurate description of the difference between the two guys yesterday. No doubt that he’s got to handle himself better when the ? hits the fan. I’d like to think that another year of experience and a group of pass catchers in which he’s got more trust will help a lot, but we’ll see. 1 1
zow2 Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 Allen played the last quarter and a half of the game like he was back in Time at the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl. Running backwards when pressured on critical 3rd and 4th downs, horrible sacks, lateral when game still has plenty of time left...wasting downs by throwing uncatchable passes beyond the end zone or way out of bounds...getting away with throwing back across the field, dropped pick six and lucky on a fumble. All that being said he was a main reason why the Bills were in position to win. Some jaw dropping good plays and some equally jaw dropping horrendous decisions. My young son even mentioned, Josh throws well to guys standing still. Why can’t he complete passes to guys who are running!?
Buddy Hix Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 16 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Matt Ryan. Matt Stafford. Cam Newton. Just off the top of my head. Ryan had a second year slump, his first year was similar to his third year. Stafford was injured his second year and only had 13 starts before his breakout season. Newton was pretty much the same guy in all three of his years, ratings are all within 4 points of each other. I'll save you time, the only answer is Drew Brees. That's how rare it is to improve after two seasons of starting as a QB. I like Allen but he isn't going to be a superstar, imo. I think the ceiling is being slightly above average, essentially a game manager.
CodeMonkey Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, zow2 said: Allen played the last quarter and a half of the game like he was back in Time at the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl. Running backwards when pressured on critical 3rd and 4th downs, horrible sacks, lateral when game still has plenty of time left...wasting downs by throwing uncatchable passes beyond the end zone or way out of bounds...getting away with throwing back across the field, dropped pick six and lucky on a fumble. All that being said he was a main reason why the Bills were in position to win. Some jaw dropping good plays and some equally jaw dropping horrendous decisions. My young son even mentioned, Josh throws well to guys standing still. Why can’t he complete passes to guys who are running!? I think that's more of an art than a science. How far to lead. where to put the ball on the Z axis when it gets there based on where defenders are in the area and so on. It is exponentially more difficult. Any QB who makes it into the NFL can hit players that are standing still.
GunnerBill Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said: Ryan had a second year slump, his first year was similar to his third year. Stafford was injured his second year and only had 13 starts before his breakout season. Newton was pretty much the same guy in all three of his years, ratings are all within 4 points of each other. I'll save you time, the only answer is Drew Brees. That's how rare it is to improve after two seasons of starting as a QB. I like Allen but he isn't going to be a superstar, imo. I think the ceiling is being slightly above average, essentially a game manager. But they all got better in year 3. Right?
kbarrettb Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 They only thing anyone needs to know is this. If Josh Allen were Watson yesterday and Watson were Allen yesterday the Bills would have won that game by 20 points easily. And the Bills would be going to the next round. That being said Josh isn’t as good as Watson and he needs a lot of work to do. Needs to be smarter and needs to not throw at a negative 55% completion rating. It’s just plain awful anyway you slice it. Him running backwards was idiotic. Him trying to lateral was dumb. He can get better and he must get better or this will be the same result. 1
thebandit27 Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, kbarrettb said: They only thing anyone needs to know is this. If Josh Allen were Watson yesterday and Watson were Allen yesterday the Bills would have won that game by 20 points easily. And the Bills would be going to the next round. That being said Josh isn’t as good as Watson and he needs a lot of work to do. Needs to be smarter and needs to not throw at a negative 55% completion rating. It’s just plain awful anyway you slice it. Him running backwards was idiotic. Him trying to lateral was dumb. He can get better and he must get better or this will be the same result. Thanks for being the judge of what we need to know. Also you’re nuts.
kbarrettb Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, thebandit27 said: Thanks for being the judge of what we need to know. Also you’re nuts. Yea he was really good yesterday. Fan isn’t short for fanatic at all ? 1
oldmanfan Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 30 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said: Ryan had a second year slump, his first year was similar to his third year. Stafford was injured his second year and only had 13 starts before his breakout season. Newton was pretty much the same guy in all three of his years, ratings are all within 4 points of each other. I'll save you time, the only answer is Drew Brees. That's how rare it is to improve after two seasons of starting as a QB. I like Allen but he isn't going to be a superstar, imo. I think the ceiling is being slightly above average, essentially a game manager. I would say Watson was better this year than two years ago. And several others have already been listed. So you’re wrong.
thebandit27 Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, kbarrettb said: Yea he was really good yesterday. Fan isn’t short for fanatic at all ? Oh good, another person that needs to put words in someone’s mouth in order to discuss Allen. It’s an epidemic around here
kbarrettb Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, thebandit27 said: Oh good, another person that needs to put words in someone’s mouth in order to discuss Allen. It’s an epidemic around here Oh look calling someone nuts. It’s an epidemic around here. Watson>>>>>>>>>>>.......... Allen
Teddy KGB Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, kbarrettb said: Oh look calling someone nuts. It’s an epidemic around here. Watson>>>>>>>>>>>.......... Allen post less. It’s all one pile of ?
Billl Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I would say Watson was better this year than two years ago. And several others have already been listed. So you’re wrong. What a bizarre statement... Nobody is saying that third year QBs aren’t better than rookie QBs. The comparison is year 2 to year 3. It’s extremely rare to see a third year QB make a huge jump. The idea that he’s suddenly going to develop the ability to read defenses, hit receivers in stride on a consistent basis, hit the deep ball on a regular basis, etc. is not based in reality. Add to that the fact that his athleticism is his biggest asset, and it becomes even more of a stretch. He took some serious shots yesterday that he certainly still feels today.
thebandit27 Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, kbarrettb said: Oh look calling someone nuts. It’s an epidemic around here. Watson>>>>>>>>>>>.......... Allen Not really on either account, but you do you man. Feel free to show me where I said he was really good. I’d say “I’ll wait”, but I’d be here for the rest of my life
oldmanfan Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Billl said: What a bizarre statement... Nobody is saying that third year QBs aren’t better than rookie QBs. The comparison is year 2 to year 3. It’s extremely rare to see a third year QB make a huge jump. The idea that he’s suddenly going to develop the ability to read defenses, hit receivers in stride on a consistent basis, hit the deep ball on a regular basis, etc. is not based in reality. Add to that the fact that his athleticism is his biggest asset, and it becomes even more of a stretch. He took some serious shots yesterday that he certainly still feels today. You’re wrong. Because you want to see Allen fail for some bizarre reason.
kbarrettb Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: post less. It’s all one pile of ? Be better.
Billl Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: You’re wrong. Because you want to see Allen fail for some bizarre reason. That’s a relief. I thought I watched him blow a 16 point lead yesterday. You going to Kansas City to watch him play for a spot in the AFCCG?
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