Big Turk Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 27 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Dorsey’s job should be in question, especially if the new HC wants his own guy. I personally don’t think Dorsey has been a good GM. He’s better fit for a personnel guy, not face of the FO. Was Kitchens Dorsey's hire or did the Haslam's meddle as usual? Not sure who is worse at this point, Snyder or Haslam. 3 minutes ago, wppete said: Absolutely incredible numbers there. And what about the staring QBs during thy time. Haslam is a failure of epic proportions. He is trying to OutSnyder Snyder 1
Purplebulldog Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 SOO nice to have FO stability finally. These two guys were a coup! On my way to Houston 1
GunnerBill Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 15 minutes ago, Virgil said: This is what happens when you try to build through FA Did the Browns do that? Mayfield, Chubb, Njoku, Garrett, Bitonio, Schobert, Ward, Williams.... I think a lot of the talent on that roster has been drafted. Yes, the two diva wideouts came through Free Agency / Trade and attract a lot of attention and I think that is the real problem in Cleveland. Too much noise and not enough process. Dorsey has drafted a lot better than Sashi Brown before him I just think he might be a bit of a Doug Whaley - decent evaluator and collector of talent.... but lacking the vision to be an effective team builder. 1
Virgil Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 Just now, GunnerBill said: Did the Browns do that? Mayfield, Chubb, Njoku, Garrett, Bitonio, Schobert, Ward, Williams.... I think a lot of the talent on that roster has been drafted. Yes, the two diva wideouts came through Free Agency / Trade and attract a lot of attention and I think that is the real problem in Cleveland. Too much noise and not enough process. Dorsey has drafted a lot better than Sashi Brown before him I just think he might be a bit of a Doug Whaley - decent evaluator and collector of talent.... but lacking the vision to be an effective team builder. They did both, but the high profile guys were FA’s. That’s a tough way to build. They thought they could throw a bunch of pieces together at once and expect cohesiveness.
GunnerBill Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Virgil said: They did both, but the high profile guys were FA’s. That’s a tough way to build. They thought they could throw a bunch of pieces together at once and expect cohesiveness. I think the glitz of the two receivers makes people think they were big FA players but they really weren't. It is the culture and leadership that is lacking in Cleveland not a commitment to the draft. 1
bills6969 Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 10 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: don’t know much about the situation there. The GM is an ego maniac and picked Kitchens because he was his yes man. They picked Kitchens because thats who Baker wanted. A perfect example of why you never let the players choose the head coach.
Virgil Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 Just now, GunnerBill said: I think the glitz of the two receivers makes people think they were big FA players but they really weren't. It is the culture and leadership that is lacking in Cleveland not a commitment to the draft. That, but also a lot of guys at once that had high expectations. It wasn’t a bunch of role players, it’s guys who are expected to be the best at their position. 1st round picks and high dollar FA’s.
MAJBobby Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 Just now, bills6969 said: They picked Kitchens because thats who Baker wanted. A perfect example of why you never let the players choose the head coach. it is also who Dorsey wanted. And also wanted Ken Zamprese gone. Both happened and a Kitchens with no Zamprese prop up failed spectacularly
GunnerBill Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Virgil said: That, but also a lot of guys at once that had high expectations. It wasn’t a bunch of role players, it’s guys who are expected to be the best at their position. 1st round picks and high dollar FA’s. Yep. And when you have those egos and no leadership it is a recipe for disaster.
Doc Brown Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 This franchise is so dysfunctional they'll hire Kevin Costner because they saw Draft Day. 2 6 1
Foxx Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 40 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Dorsey’s job should be in question, especially if the new HC wants his own guy. I personally don’t think Dorsey has been a good GM. He’s better fit for a personnel guy, not face of the FO. i'm old enough to remember when it was the GM who chose the coach and not the other way around. 3 1
Warcodered Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) Browns ownership is a mess they've gone through how many GMs and HCs this decade? Edited December 31, 2019 by Warcodered
YoloinOhio Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 42 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’m not surprised to see Dorsey in jeopardy. He has done an okay job but you need to get the coach. You want him paired with his guy so that they are on the same page. I’d say Caserio and Daboll/McDaniels. They are from Cleveland (except Daboll but he was there) and they are on the same page. Roman/Caserio maybe? They played at JCU together I believe
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) Should have worn a different sweatshirt on ‘Hard Knocks 2018’, instead of the same version day after day. Mr Blackwell and GQ Mayfield had it in for him. EDIT: Dog Pound fans? ‘Should of’. Edited December 31, 2019 by Ridgewaycynic2013
Doc Brown Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Foxx said: i'm old enough to remember when it was the GM who chose the coach and not the other way around. McDermott probably had a significant role in bringing Beane in here so it depends on the situation.
YoloinOhio Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Foxx said: i'm old enough to remember when it was the GM who chose the coach and not the other way around. They let him hire the last coach so I’m guessing they wouldnt let him hire this one and one thing led to another
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