Protocal69 Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 Excellent video breaking down Gilmore and the PATS defense and how teams like the BILLS have started to figure it out. 3 1 3
Playoffs? Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 We still haven’t quite figured it out unfortunately... 1 2
cage Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 Nice video. I'm usually not willing to watch something that long, but he laid out the story very well. Compelling!
H2o Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) On 12/31/2019 at 12:05 PM, Playoffs? said: We still haven’t quite figured it out unfortunately... Expand The defense was the problem in the 2nd game. They couldn't stop a nose bleed. They had nearly a 2-1 edge is time of possession and we were still on the doorstep at the end. Josh was night and day from the first meeting in the year as well. The Pats are no longer the dominant force they were before. It will all come crashing down Saturday night in Gillette. Can't wait to hear the "boo birds" out in full force and Brady looking like he's about to cry on the sidelines. Edited December 31, 2019 by H2o 10 2 1
Sweats Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 The Bills have figured out the Pats D, have they?.........oh, come on man!!! We haven't beaten them in 20 years, so i'm guessing we haven't really figured anything out. Rubbish........complete rubbish. 1
RiotAct Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 meanwhile, Brian Daboll was seen picking his nose and eating crayons... 1
Phil The Thrill Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 On 12/31/2019 at 12:23 PM, H2o said: The defense was the problem in the 2nd game. They couldn't stop a nose bleed. They had nearly a 2-1 edge is time of possession and we were still on the doorstep at the end. Josh was night and day from the first meeting in the year as well. The Pats are no longer the dominant force they were before. It will all come crashing down Saturday night in Gillette. Can't wait to hear the "boo birds" out in full force and Brady looking like he's about to cry on the sidelines. Expand Not really.... The offense couldn’t score more than17 points. If Miami scores 17 points they lose On 12/31/2019 at 12:58 PM, RiotAct said: meanwhile, Brian Daboll was seen picking his nose and eating crayons... Expand Nope Daboll was seen interviewing for Head Coaching positions 1
PatsFanNH Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 Lol defense has been figured out because they gave up 17 and 20 points the last two games? Sigh I swear people over react to everything! The Pats D is still very good, the Pats O still isn’t very good. The awful O lost that game not a D giving up 20 Pooh ya on an off day.
Phil The Thrill Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 On 12/31/2019 at 1:09 PM, PatsFanNH said: Lol defense has been figured out because they gave up 17 and 20 points the last two games? Sigh I swear people over react to everything! The Pats D is still very good, the Pats O still isn’t very good. The awful O lost that game not a D giving up 20 Pooh ya on an off day. Expand This is kind of my point. It’s shocking how many people give the Bills offense a pass for only being able to score 17 points against NE. It’s not good enough to win
H2o Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 On 12/31/2019 at 12:59 PM, Phil The Thrill said: Not really.... The offense couldn’t score more than17 points. If Miami scores 17 points they lose Expand Bills - 21:08 with New England - 38:52 Miami - 33:51 with New England - 26:09 Do you understand that the longer your team has control of the ball the more points you have the opportunity to score? New England had 3 scoring drives that ate up a total of 23:00 of game time. That is just 3 drives. That is over 1/3 of the game on 3 scoring drives and we only lost by 7 points. An 11 play 7:26 drive, a 17 play 8:58 drive, and a 11 play 6:40 drive. The dominated us on the ground, on the short passes, and just kept the chains moving. The defensive game plan they had did not work. You do realize that Brady also gifted Miami a pick 6 in that game as well, right? If Brady doesn't do that then the Phins lose. 3
PatsFanNH Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 On 12/31/2019 at 1:11 PM, H2o said: Bills - 21:08 with New England - 38:52 Miami - 33:51 with New England - 26:09 Do you understand that the longer your team has control of the ball the more points you have the opportunity to score? New England had 3 scoring drives that ate up a total of 23:00 of game time. That is just 3 drives. That is over 1/3 of the game on 3 scoring drives and we only lost by 7 points. An 11 play 7:26 drive, a 17 play 8:58 drive, and a 11 play 6:40 drive. The dominated us on the ground, on the short passes, and just kept the chains moving. The defensive game plan they had did not work. You do realize that Brady also gifted Miami a pick 6 in that game as well, right? If Brady doesn't do that then the Phins lose. Expand Yes and you want know why the time of possession was opposite against Miami? Because McDaniels outsmarted himself and went away from what was working which was running the football. The Pats need run the ball to have any chance right now on O as Brady isn’t what he use to be either from age or injury. (That pick 6 was the worst throw I have ever seen him throw ever. Well at least with no pressure right on him) 1
Phil The Thrill Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 On 12/31/2019 at 1:11 PM, H2o said: Bills - 21:08 with New England - 38:52 Miami - 33:51 with New England - 26:09 Do you understand that the longer your team has control of the ball the more points you have the opportunity to score? New England had 3 scoring drives that ate up a total of 23:00 of game time. That is just 3 drives. That is over 1/3 of the game on 3 scoring drives and we only lost by 7 points. An 11 play 7:26 drive, a 17 play 8:58 drive, and a 11 play 6:40 drive. The dominated us on the ground, on the short passes, and just kept the chains moving. The defensive game plan they had did not work. You do realize that Brady also gifted Miami a pick 6 in that game as well, right? If Brady doesn't do that then the Phins lose. Expand Sure the defensive game plan did not work. I’m not arguing that. They are *part* of the reason the Bills lost. The other part is the offense. There were too many 3 and out drives. The Bills couldn’t move the ball against the defense. And here’s something that everyone conveniently forgets. When the Bills went up 17-10, they then proceeded to go 3 and out over their possessions. That’s not going to win you games against New England. So going back to my original point, many Bills fans are giving the Bills a complete pass on the NE loss and I don’t feel it’s warranted 1
The Jokeman Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 On 12/31/2019 at 1:22 PM, Phil The Thrill said: Sure the defensive game plan did not work. I’m not arguing that. They are *part* of the reason the Bills lost. The other part is the offense. There were too many 3 and out drives. The Bills couldn’t move the ball against the defense. And here’s something that everyone conveniently forgets. When the Bills went up 17-10, they then proceeded to go 3 and out over their possessions. That’s not going to win you games against New England. So going back to my original point, many Bills fans are giving the Bills a complete pass on the NE loss and I don’t feel it’s warranted Expand Yep, it was a true team loss, the D wasn't stopping the Pats early on and then when the O finally went ahead they kind of went quiet afterwards. That said I still shake my head at the non intentional grounding call against Brady as if the refs call that correctly than the whole game could be changed. 2
Chaos Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 On 12/31/2019 at 1:09 PM, PatsFanNH said: Lol defense has been figured out because they gave up 17 and 20 points the last two games? Sigh I swear people over react to everything! The Pats D is still very good, the Pats O still isn’t very good. The awful O lost that game not a D giving up 20 Pooh ya on an off day. Expand The Pats and Bills both benefited from playing historically weak schedules. Both teams defense's were good against winning teams. Neither teams defense truly excelled against winning teams.
mjt328 Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 On 12/31/2019 at 1:14 PM, PatsFanNH said: Yes and you want know why the time of possession was opposite against Miami? Because McDaniels outsmarted himself and went away from what was working which was running the football. The Pats need run the ball to have any chance right now on O as Brady isn’t what he use to be either from age or injury. (That pick 6 was the worst throw I have ever seen him throw ever. Well at least with no pressure right on him) Expand The Patriots were a victim of their own ego on Sunday. They figured the Dolphins were pushovers, and wanted to roll into the playoffs with a dominating 30+ point win. So instead of doing what works for their offense, they came out throwing - which is literally the weakest part of their team. With that said, don't underestimate how dangerous the Patriots are going to be in the playoffs. Yes, they are seriously flawed. Yes, Tom Brady is now a shell of himself. But they won't be underestimating or looking past anyone in the postseason. They still have (way) more experience than anyone else, and know how to win playoff games. And their performance against us in Week 16 proves they can still put together some offense, especially when their backs are against the wall. Tennessee needs to be watching the film from Week 16 against us, and not from Week 17 against the Dolphins. Because that is how Josh McDaniels will be rolling on Saturday. 2
PatsFanNH Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 On 12/31/2019 at 1:25 PM, Chaos said: The Pats and Bills both benefited from playing historically weak schedules. Both teams defense's were good against winning teams. Neither teams defense truly excelled against winning teams. Expand The y are both very good Defenses not historic good like the 2000 Ravens but if either one had a top 15 Offense they had a good chance be undefeated this year. (Neither D did lol)
H2o Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) On 12/31/2019 at 1:22 PM, Phil The Thrill said: Sure the defensive game plan did not work. I’m not arguing that. They are *part* of the reason the Bills lost. The other part is the offense. There were too many 3 and out drives. The Bills couldn’t move the ball against the defense. And here’s something that everyone conveniently forgets. When the Bills went up 17-10, they then proceeded to go 3 and out over their possessions. That’s not going to win you games against New England. So going back to my original point, many Bills fans are giving the Bills a complete pass on the NE loss and I don’t feel it’s warranted Expand It's not "giving the Bills a pass" to admit that the defense was bad that game, especially when you realize the fact that because the Pats dominated the time of possession is a huge reason they won. The fact that we were on the doorstep at the end with a chance to tie, Josh barely missing on a throw to Knox in spite of that edge in time of possession, is an amazing change and a compliment in itself from the way he performed the first game. I do not like the conservative nature of our team at times and I do not defend them for it. It puts too much of the pressure on the defense. As good as they may be, it's not going to win us a SB because they aren't the early 2000's Ravens or Buccaneers. It has to be a combination of Josh playing well and the defense doing their jobs as they have been for the most part. McDermott and Daboll both need to learn when to go for the jugular, not let teams hang around. Edited December 31, 2019 by H2o 1 1
atlbillsfan1975 Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 On 12/31/2019 at 12:23 PM, H2o said: The defense was the problem in the 2nd game. They couldn't stop a nose bleed. They had nearly a 2-1 edge is time of possession and we were still on the doorstep at the end. Josh was night and day from the first meeting in the year as well. The Pats are no longer the dominant force they were before. It will all come crashing down Saturday night in Gillette. Can't wait to hear the "boo birds" out in full force and Brady looking like he's about to cry on the sidelines. Expand It’s gonna happen brother. They are D-O-N-E. Been saying it all year. I have watched a bunch of their games. That D isn’t elite, it is opportunistic. If you play smart and take what they give you, you can score points. I think some of it has to do with their front seven being scheme fits. Ie run specialists or pass specialist instead of three down players. If Tenn shoots themselves in the foot, which is about the only way the Pats are winning a playoff game, the Pats will lose the next week. The End is here for the Deplorable Dynasty that’s been wrought with illegal activity on and off the field. 1
Chaos Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 On 12/31/2019 at 1:29 PM, PatsFanNH said: The y are both very good Defenses not historic good like the 2000 Ravens but if either one had a top 15 Offense they had a good chance be undefeated this year. (Neither D did lol) Expand Ultimately I consider both defenses untested. Based on the Bills vs. Eagles and Ravens and Pats vs. Ravens, I don't see either defense really stopping teams like the niners/saints/chiefs/ravens/seahawks. If the Bills throttle the Texans, then I will consider them tested and passing the test, and consequently revise my "untested" opinion.
PatsFanNH Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 On 12/31/2019 at 1:32 PM, atlbillsfan1975 said: It’s gonna happen brother. They are D-O-N-E. Been saying it all year. I have watched a bunch of their games. That D isn’t elite, it is opportunistic. If you play smart and take what they give you, you can score points. I think some of it has to do with their front seven being scheme fits. Ie run specialists or pass specialist instead of three down players. If Tenn shoots themselves in the foot, which is about the only way the Pats are winning a playoff game, the Pats will lose the next week. The End is here for the Deplorable Dynasty that’s been wrought with illegal activity on and off the field. Expand Pats D is very good again not all time good but good. The only team I don’t think the Pats could beat IF they play their game (run the ball:play action) is the Ravens. The Pats D biggest weakness isn’t the pass rush or the corners but their ability to cover the TE and Baltimore has 3 good ones. While I think BB can scheme cover up one (aka Keller) all 3 I just don’t see happening. You are right the Pats time is at the sunset with Brady.. but never rule out a team that has one of the greatest QBs of all time from getting hot for 3 games..
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