Browns interview Brian Daboll for HC; have interest in pairing with Bills Asst. GM Joe Schoen

[MAJBobby]

Just in Case here are the names DePodesta has wanted and have been over ruled. 
 

McDermott - Haslam chose Jackson

Kevin Stefanski - Dorsey chose Kitchens. 
 

so Stefanski and McCarthy are reported as the DePodesta Candidates this year.   Guess we get to see who wins Browns Power Struggle Take 3. 

[Bad Things]

1 hour ago, QB Bills said:

Keep him. Let McClappy interview there instead. 

This whole "McClappy" thing is so bloody lame.

He's taken us to the playoffs 2 out of the 3 years that he's been here.  You would think that this alone would have earned our respect.  But, no... he claps too much. Give me a break.

[SectionC3]

5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

he isn’t going anywhere. And no coach in their right mind would go to a team with an internal power struggle between their GM and their Advisor 

Perhaps.  But these jobs don’t grow on trees. And sometimes it’s best to strike when the iron is hot.  Ask Brian Schottenheimer.  

 

It may also be that Dorsey is gone in Cleveland.  Lots of moving parts there. 
 

For what it’s worth, I think Roman makes a lot of sense for them.  He’s scored a lot of points  with mediocre quarterbacks, and hiring him would weaken a division rival. McDaniels might work for them, too.  But they could find Daboll attractive for his work with Allen, who arguably has come the furthest of the 2018 QB class. 
 

 

[MAJBobby]

Just now, SectionC3 said:

Perhaps.  But these jobs don’t grow on trees. And sometimes it’s best to strike when the iron is hot.  Ask Brian Schottenheimer.  

 

It may also be that Dorsey is gone in Cleveland.  Lots of moving parts there. 
 

For what it’s worth, I think Roman makes a lot of sense for them.  He’s scored a lot of points  with mediocre quarterbacks, and hiring him would weaken a division rival. McDaniels might work for them, too.  But they could find Daboll attractive for his work with Allen, who arguably has come the furthest of the 2018 QB class. 
 

 

McCarthy or Rivera make the most sense.

 

another will be Garrett 

[ALLEN1QB]

I will personally pay for his one-way ticket. Bye Bye

[Nihilarian]

37 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

it's really not leaps and bounds.  she's still a sub 60% passer, a couple more YPG and only 20 TDs.

 

Josh is a stud.  Daboll is stunting his growth because Daboll is a nobody.  He is a guy who knows great coaches.  Josh needs someone who can ACTUALLY take him to the next level.  

 

Daboll is completely out of his depth as a developer of a great QB talent.  He's has no history of doing this.  

I feel the same way, Daboll is taking credit for Allen can do. 

 

Let's not forget that this is the same man who though Nathan Peterman should start the 2018 season at QB. 

 

Gregg Roman would be better, Anthony Lynn would be better. Cam Cameron would be better. 

[Big Blitz]

15 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Reason I mention Chad O’Shea is it you want Allen to remain in a similar system that he has now this hire makes sense. 
 

O’Shea will likely become the OC in NE once McDaniels goes to HC somewhere. So system similarities with Daboll and O’Shea 

yep they will be. But you make you pitch and see. 

 

 

Why would he go to a team with no QB when he can have Allen here.....and soon after that a HC position after he gets Allen into the top 10 of most major passing categories.  

[Mojo44]

1 hour ago, Dr. K said:

I guess if Daboll has the chance to be a HC then the Bills ought to let him interview. But I hope he does not end up going there.

 

I hope he realizes what he's got going here. 

I hope they let him interview, too. I actually think he deserves one more year here with Josh and, presumably, significantly better offensive weapons. With Josh in his third year and some genuine weapons he would have no excuse if he can’t put a potent offense on the field. This would only increase his attractiveness as a potential head coach.But if he has aspirations to be a head coach he can’t be choosy. He needs to take any interview he can get. And, you know, despite the dumpster fire that Cleveland seems to be there is some intriguing talent there on both sides of the ball. Besides, there just aren’t many of these jobs around. 

[Dopey]

6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

They scored 19ppg vs top defenses.  They were bailed out by their own D.

 

Yes, Josh has gotten better.  But his output is what it is--and it's not leaps and bounds better than last year's 11 starts.  

 

If you want to say Daboll helped get Josh man incremental bump from last year---ok, have that.  But Daboll has shown noting at all, ever, to give me any hops he will take the (for the Bills) generational talent at QB to the next level.  Daboll may be a nice guy, but he's a nobody as OC.  You want to make him the QB coach?  Ok...sure.

There was a thread just before the season started asking what were our expectations of Josh. He's pretty spot on what most here expected. Because we had 9 new starters on offense, most were realistic in not expecting "leaps and bounds" better, but better. Your argument was about his 2nd half demise. I thought he played well in the 2nd half, considering the top defenses we played. And I'm not just looking at stats. That doesn't tell the whole story. Daboll hasn't shown you anything to give you hope, ok. I see it different. Add a couple of pieces to our offense and we're going to score plenty of points next year.

[SectionC3]

41 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

it's really not leaps and bounds.  she's still a sub 60% passer, a couple more YPG and only 20 TDs.

 

Josh is a stud.  Daboll is stunting his growth because Daboll is a nobody.  He is a guy who knows great coaches.  Josh needs someone who can ACTUALLY take him to the next level.  

 

Daboll is completely out of his depth as a developer of a great QB talent.  He's has no history of doing this.  

Sorry but I don’t see it the same way.  In week 2 last year josh was completely overmatched against the Chargers.  It is night and day since then.  He also was arguably the rawest member of his draft class, and he arguably is the best product of that group today. 
 

it’s easy to rely on the “he knows great coaches” trope.  Fact remains that belichick hired him multiple times and Saban brought him in to run his offense.  So perhaps it’s a bit excessive to refer to him as a “nobody.”

[Tesla03]

18 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Reason I mention Chad O’Shea is it you want Allen to remain in a similar system that he has now this hire makes sense. 
 

O’Shea will likely become the OC in NE once McDaniels goes to HC somewhere. So system similarities with Daboll and O’Shea 

yep they will be. But you make you pitch and see. 

 

Allen doesn't even fit this system

 

go get someone from the saints or chiefs offensive staff. 

[SectionC3]

6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

McCarthy or Rivera make the most sense.

 

another will be Garrett 

I agree on the discipline point with Rivera, and they probably could use somebody who won’t need to learn on the job as a HC.  (Another plug for McDaniels, perhaps.)

 

Not sure about the other two, however.  One could argue that both greatly underachieved with the talent at their disposal - even with McCarthy’s Super Bowl. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, SectionC3 said:

Sorry but I don’t see it the same way.  In week 2 last year josh was completely overmatched against the Chargers.  It is night and day since then.  He also was arguably the rawest member of his draft class, and he arguably is the best product of that group today. 
 

it’s easy to rely on the “he knows great coaches” trope.  Fact remains that belichick hired him multiple times and Saban brought him in to run his offense.  So perhaps it’s a bit excessive to refer to him as a “nobody.”

 

he was a bystander in Bama.  

 

BB gave him nothing to do In NE.

 

Look, I'll acknowledge Daboll didn't some good, but it's clear that: A) this Offense is stuck in a rut and B) Josh is talent t that shouldn't be wasted on a guy who has really shown no superior aptitude at running an NFL Offense.  

 

Josh needs a pro to take him to the next level, not a guy who has been in proximity to pros.  This Offense needs someone to take them to the next level.  Next level isn't 19 to 20 ppg.

[SectionC3]

8 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

I feel the same way, Daboll is taking credit for Allen can do. 

 

Let's not forget that this is the same man who though Nathan Peterman should start the 2018 season at QB. 

 

Gregg Roman would be better, Anthony Lynn would be better. Cam Cameron would be better. 

On the Peterman point - Allen didn’t even know the protections early last year.  McCarron was even more mediocre.  They didn’t have much of a choice in that respect. 

[Drunken Pygmy Goat]

45 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Picture should really be of Jaba the Hut.

 

If Daboll leaves, I'll really miss the 3rd and short situations where he dials up a 30 yard pass with a QB that overthrows the receiver by 5+ yards.

 

I remember that happening somewhat frequently with Tyrod at QB, but not with Allen/Daboll. 

 

There are certainly things that we can criticize when it comes to Brian Daboll, but I really don't believe the scenario you describe is one of them. At least not to the point that it's a reoccurring theme or anything. 

[billsfan_34]

1 hour ago, QB Bills said:

Keep him. Let McClappy interview there instead. 

Sarcasm I hope

[SectionC3]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

he was a bystander in Bama.  

 

BB gave him nothing to do In NE.

 

Look, I'll acknowledge Daboll didn't some good, but it's clear that: A) this Offense is stuck in a rut and B) Josh is talent t that shouldn't be wasted on a guy who has really shown no superior aptitude at running an NFL Offense.  

 

Josh needs a pro to take him to the next level, not a guy who has been in proximity to pros.  This Offense needs someone to take them to the next level.  Next level isn't 19 to 20 ppg.

Bystander at bama?  Come on.  Nothing to do in NE?  He had a 20/20 job.  
 

Go back and watch Bama’s win over Georgia in the national championship game.  Check our who took control of the huddle before Tua hit the game winner.  It was daboll.  And he got to run an offense for nick Saban in part on belichick’s recommendation.  I just can’t believe belichick would mislead a friend like Saban in a hire like that. 

[MAJBobby]

6 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

I agree on the discipline point with Rivera, and they probably could use somebody who won’t need to learn on the job as a HC.  (Another plug for McDaniels, perhaps.)

 

Not sure about the other two, however.  One could argue that both greatly underachieved with the talent at their disposal - even with McCarthy’s Super Bowl. 

McCarthy didn’t have even a avg defense once that offense was Built. 
 

Garrett will bring a Culture the Browns haven’t seen (similar to McD in that very way). 

[Happy]

2 minutes ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said:

 

I remember that happening somewhat frequently with Tyrod at QB, but not with Allen/Daboll. 

 

There are certainly things that we can criticize when it comes to Brian Daboll, but I really don't believe the scenario you describe is one of them. At least not to the point that it's a reoccurring theme or anything. 

 

Really?  You missed the multiple calls where Josh overshot his WRs by 5+ yards?  That happened on more than one occasion, including 3rd and short.  It happened with Tyrod, too.  I have to believe that Daboll is telling Josh to let the receivers run to the ball rather than trying to be near perfect with the pass.  I'm with those who believe Daboll is holding Josh back.

[SectionC3]

4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

McCarthy didn’t have even a avg defense once that offense was Built. 
 

Garrett will bring a Culture the Browns haven’t seen (similar to McD in that very way). 

McCarthy probably let capers hang around too long.