Teddy KGB Posted January 6, 2020 Posted January 6, 2020 27 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: I was thinking about this just last night. I am not a Daboll hater at all and don't think he's the problem; Allen is the problem. But if it would help us move on from Allen faster to see that he is the same under a new/different OC, then by all means, sacrifice Daboll to the football gods and get him out of here. As I said, I am not a Daboll hater, but he is completely replaceable, as is McDermott as a HC. No harm in letting Daboll go. John Clayton has now said twice during his segments with Schopp & Bulldog (for what this is worth) that he expects Daboll to be viewed favorably around the league and get 2 or 3 HC interviews. Bills fans don't realize how bad Allen is or how poorly he is perceived around the league. The CW on him is that he is a massive project and that Daboll has worked wonders to get him operating at the level he's at now. I think he will be viewed as a strong contender for a HC job, even though the majority of the fanbase here thinks he is terrible. Good luck to him! Let's hope he gets one of these gigs! You’re dead wrong though. Repeat it less. 2
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 6, 2020 Posted January 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: With all this Shurmur talk... Seeing now he is front runner for Washington OC job. Hope we can move quickly if Daboll is leaving. I hate how we always miss out on our first choice of OCs. Rivera's also from that tree and it's not surprising that he's looking for a familiar face. If that happens I'd honestly consider O'Connell as well. He did pretty solid work with Haskins (and Keenum for that matter)
Real McClappy Posted January 6, 2020 Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: I was thinking about this just last night. I am not a Daboll hater at all and don't think he's the problem; Allen is the problem. But if it would help us move on from Allen faster to see that he is the same under a new/different OC, then by all means, sacrifice Daboll to the football gods and get him out of here. As I said, I am not a Daboll hater, but he is completely replaceable, as is McDermott as a HC. No harm in letting Daboll go. John Clayton has now said twice during his segments with Schopp & Bulldog (for what this is worth) that he expects Daboll to be viewed favorably around the league and get 2 or 3 HC interviews. Bills fans don't realize how bad Allen is or how poorly he is perceived around the league. The CW on him is that he is a massive project and that Daboll has worked wonders to get him operating at the level he's at now. I think he will be viewed as a strong contender for a HC job, even though the majority of the fanbase here thinks he is terrible. Good luck to him! Let's hope he gets one of these gigs! Your posts are a problem. That's all Daboll whom got Josh to where he's at my ass. More like Beane giving him an improved O-line, RB, TE and WR core that still needs work overall. If you don't see the improvement from year 1 to 2 like the rest of the media and NFL knobs that's on you. What a friggin hot take. Edited January 6, 2020 by Real McNasty 2
Mr. WEO Posted January 6, 2020 Posted January 6, 2020 Has anyone seen the puff of white smoke from the chimney yet? 1
Coach Tuesday Posted January 6, 2020 Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 28 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: You know as well as I do that he’s looking for a certain defensive alignment that signals a check Respectfully, there is no way in hell that the Bills' playcallers drove the entire length of the field, often in "no huddle" and all of it at a quick pace, took a timeout, and then expected Allen to audible to a run to Gore. If they did, they should be fired. It's borderline fireable that Gore is even on the field in that situation but that's another matter. I have been very critical of these coaches but they were definitely calling plays to score a TD there. Edited January 6, 2020 by Coach Tuesday 1
Alphadawg7 Posted January 6, 2020 Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) Like I said before, Daboll can be great (Josh Allen receiving TD) one minute and utterly a moron the next (Gore draw at end of half before Duke TD attempt). I wont hate it if he is back in Buffalo next year (hopefully having learned some tough lessons of being a dumb a** at times), but I also do kind of hope he gets a HC job so we can find a new OC. 2 things I cant stand about Daboll: His stubborn stupidity (obsession with running Gore on first and second down over and over again) and running one of the most complicated and challenging offenses on a team with 9 new offensive starters, rotating RT's, and a young QB with mediocre at best group of receiving weapons to throw to. Brown and Cole are good, especially Brown. But everyone else was mostly useless or mistake prone. I love Knox's potential still, but he had a lot of drops and his whiffed block on the Allen run Saturday may have lost us the game. I want an OC who will focus on building an offense around the players on the team. Daboll seemed to force his scheme too often rather than focusing on best utilizing the players talents and putting them in the best positions to succeed. Felt like he spent a large part of the game setting some specific play to use later in the game rather than just getting Josh and the offense into a rhythm. Personally, I think Daboll was too focused on trying to be seen as a "genius" or "innovator" and that caused him at times to not call a smart football game. And there were times he pulled it off, but too often it bit him in the backside and cost us drives or points IMO. Edited January 6, 2020 by Alphadawg7 8
Coach Tuesday Posted January 6, 2020 Posted January 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Felt like he spent a large part of the game setting some specific play to use later in the game rather than just getting Josh and the offense into a rhythm. Personally, I think Daboll was too focused on trying to be seen as a "genius" or "innovator" and that caused him at times to not call a smart football game. And there were times he pulled it off, but too often it bit him in the backside and cost us drives or points IMO. Agreed and it shouldn't go unsaid that he did all of this in the midst of interviewing for HC openings. Throwing 46 times when you have a job interview scheduled for the next day is an interesting coincidence... 2
Alphadawg7 Posted January 6, 2020 Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said: Agreed and it shouldn't go unsaid that he did all of this in the midst of interviewing for HC openings. Throwing 46 times when you have a job interview scheduled for the next day is an interesting coincidence... I will never understand why he stopped using Singletary who was having a great game. 3
Coach Tuesday Posted January 6, 2020 Posted January 6, 2020 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: I will never understand why he stopped using Singletary who was having a great game. Because any idiot can hand the ball off and let a talented back do the work - a genius can scheme midgets open downfield. I guess. The less-cynical explanation is that he was trying to take advantage of the Texans' weak secondary and was totally disconnected from what was happening down on the field, i.e., his young QB having a mental meltdown and needing COACHING. (It boggles my mind that anyone would consider hiring Daboll for HC after Saturday.) 1
MrEpsYtown Posted January 6, 2020 Posted January 6, 2020 I honestly think that if Daboll is gone they promote Dorsey. They interviewed him for the OC job a while back. Other than that I could see Chad OŚhea as he is from the NE system, though he wasn't good in MIami. The other guy is Rob Chudzinski who McDermott is reportedly a fan of, or Mike Shula who he worked with in Carolina. I would go after Eric Bieniemy, as he hasn't had a chance to call plays under Andy Reid.
BillsVet Posted January 6, 2020 Posted January 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Because any idiot can hand the ball off and let a talented back do the work - a genius can scheme midgets open downfield. I guess. The less-cynical explanation is that he was trying to take advantage of the Texans' weak secondary and was totally disconnected from what was happening down on the field, i.e., his young QB having a mental meltdown and needing COACHING. (It boggles my mind that anyone would consider hiring Daboll for HC after Saturday.) And, as you noted earlier, much of this happened after he got ear-holed by JJ Watt when Cody Ford had another breakdown. 1
thebandit27 Posted January 6, 2020 Posted January 6, 2020 30 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Respectfully, there is no way in hell that the Bills' playcallers drove the entire length of the field, often in "no huddle" and all of it at a quick pace, took a timeout, and then expected Allen to audible to a run to Gore. If they did, they should be fired. It's borderline fireable that Gore is even on the field in that situation but that's another matter. I have been very critical of these coaches but they were definitely calling plays to score a TD there. I have my doubts that Gore is on the field if a run isn’t a real possibility there, but that’s kind of the problem. Why is he on the field at all? 1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 6, 2020 Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I will never understand why he stopped using Singletary who was having a great game. ...don't feel bad....neither will HE.......... Edited January 6, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy 1
Coach Tuesday Posted January 6, 2020 Posted January 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I have my doubts that Gore is on the field if a run isn’t a real possibility there, but that’s kind of the problem. Why is he on the field at all? Fair (separate, as I said) question, but I'm guessing they wanted to force Houston to take a CB out and put a LB in, in order to give them a better look in the passing game. Allen needs to understand the situation there - as dumb as these coaches are (and they're dumb, IMO), I find it very hard to believe they wanted Allen to check to the run there as if it were an either/or scenario. I'd be shocked. He must've been coached to throw the ball away in that scenario if he didn't get the look they needed.
JPP Posted January 6, 2020 Posted January 6, 2020 24 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I will never understand why he stopped using Singletary who was having a great game. Not like this was the 1st time Dumboll has done this.... 1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 6, 2020 Posted January 6, 2020 23 minutes ago, JPP said: Not like this was the 1st time Dumboll has done this.... ...WHOA!!.....after all he is a Belichick and Saban disciple so how can his legitimacy be contested?......
Jerry Jabber Posted January 6, 2020 Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) Singletary had great receiving numbers and I was completely baffled that Daboll didn’t call more passes to him. The report on the Texans defense going into the game was that they struggled with short to intermediate passes and it showed, which is very hard to believe that the Bills didn’t activate Yeldon and made Gore inactive. Yeldon also has great receiving numbers against the Jets. Now I get that Gore was brought in to be a mentor to Singletary, but Gore is no longer a #1 and not even a #2 RB in the league. Another head scratcher was Kroft/Lee Smith over Sweeney. Sweeney caught everything thrown to him against the Jets. Teams that don’t put in their best players and keep in players that have a higher stature have ego problems and sometimes it comes back to bite them, and that happened to the Bills. By no means am I saying the Bills would be putting up over 40 points with Duke, Yeldon and Sweeney in the game every week, but I think the Bills would have won the game with Yeldon and Sweeney in there (along with better play calling from Daboll). Edited January 7, 2020 by Jerry Jabber 2 1
Penfield45 Posted January 6, 2020 Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) Daboll leaving will be the best thing to ever happen to Josh Allens short career pair Allen with a OC like Jay Gruden and watch us turn into a top 10 offense. Edited January 6, 2020 by Penfield45
Meatloaf63 Posted January 6, 2020 Posted January 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Geezus. I want to reply, but it would take too long. This post is one of the worst I have read in a while. I just flew into DC today, the guys I met with one is a Pats fan the other not a fan of any particular team. Both were raving about Allen, both said he still needs to grow but said the future will be incredible for him. Yet a small portion of our own alleged fans think he’s terrible... SMH.... 1 1
london_bills Posted January 6, 2020 Posted January 6, 2020 3 hours ago, Nextmanup said: I was thinking about this just last night. I am not a Daboll hater at all and don't think he's the problem; Allen is the problem. But if it would help us move on from Allen faster to see that he is the same under a new/different OC, then by all means, sacrifice Daboll to the football gods and get him out of here. As I said, I am not a Daboll hater, but he is completely replaceable, as is McDermott as a HC. No harm in letting Daboll go. John Clayton has now said twice during his segments with Schopp & Bulldog (for what this is worth) that he expects Daboll to be viewed favorably around the league and get 2 or 3 HC interviews. Bills fans don't realize how bad Allen is or how poorly he is perceived around the league. The CW on him is that he is a massive project and that Daboll has worked wonders to get him operating at the level he's at now. I think he will be viewed as a strong contender for a HC job, even though the majority of the fanbase here thinks he is terrible. Good luck to him! Let's hope he gets one of these gigs! I'm not convinced Allen is 100 percent the problem. I am concerned we will be talking about the same mistakes in the future but there are time sunder the lights when he's really good. It seems like he is the solution at times and the problem at other times.
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