Browns interview Brian Daboll for HC; have interest in pairing with Bills Asst. GM Joe Schoen

[MAJBobby]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yeah I don’t either. I don’t see him as a head coach (he’s barely a quality OC IMo).  Sad part is if the Browns hire the right coach, they could be good right away.  But they won’t.  

I think if they truly are listening to DePodesta the job is McCarthey or Stefanski’s to lose 

[billsfan89]

I really don't understand what team's see in Daboll's body of work to have HC whispers. Josh has developed but he isn't a top 10 QB (Is Josh now that much better than Trubisky was in 2018?) The offense isn't a prolific rushing attack either. This is a below average offense (Which isn't bad considering you have a young developing QB and a ton of roster turnover and still lack some playmakers) and I don't see what team's wouldn't want to see how the offense progresses in 2020 (can Daboll develop Josh into a top 10 QB with improved weapons and a year of having this offense staying together?) But why jump on this guy as a head coach for doing a good but not great job one year in? I don't even see Daboll's play calling or schemes as being that innovative. 

 

If I am going into the up and coming coordinator pool I would rather touch base with Gregg Roman or several other candidates who have had better more sustained offensive success.

[TheCockSportif]

I just read that they're going to hire a HC first... and then a GM?  Yeah, the source was ESPN, but the Browns are an ESPN-grade organization.

[HOUSE]

The Browns should pounce quickly....

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Groin said:

I just read that they're going to hire a HC first... and then a GM?  Yeah, the source was ESPN, but the Browns are an ESPN-grade organization.

So just like we did. And have the same reporting structure as we have. They want to be like us 

[C.Biscuit97]

10 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

I really don't understand what team's see in Daboll's body of work to have HC whispers. Josh has developed but he isn't a top 10 QB (Is Josh now that much better than Trubisky was in 2018?) The offense isn't a prolific rushing attack either. This is a below average offense (Which isn't bad considering you have a young developing QB and a ton of roster turnover and still lack some playmakers) and I don't see what team's wouldn't want to see how the offense progresses in 2020 (can Daboll develop Josh into a top 10 QB with improved weapons and a year of having this offense staying together?) But why jump on this guy as a head coach for doing a good but not great job one year in? I don't even see Daboll's play calling or schemes as being that innovative. 

 

If I am going into the up and coming coordinator pool I would rather touch base with Gregg Roman or several other candidates who have had better more sustained offensive success.

Daboll has made the right friends.  That’s what the NFL coaching “fraternity” is all about.  The same garbage coaches just get recycled over and over again.  I’d also add how much better Hurts was without Daboll.  He’s not good of a coach. 

[TheCockSportif]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

So just like we did. And have the same reporting structure as we have. They want to be like us 

Not as I recall.  Actually, not at all.  McD was hired while Whaley was still GM.  Then Whaley "humans should not play football" Whaleyed his way out of the joint.  Then they hired Beane.

[MAJBobby]

14 minutes ago, Groin said:

Not as I recall.  Actually, not at all.  McD was hired while Whaley was still GM.  Then Whaley "humans should not play football" Whaleyed his way out of the joint.  Then they hired Beane.

McD was hired without a GM (Whaley was going to be GONE, hence McD in charge of that draft). And then they brought in Beane. 
 

both Beane and McD report to ownership similar to what Browns want. 
 

only difference is DePodesta other than that they are doing EXACTLY what Buffalo Did

Edited January 2, 2020 by MAJBobby

[TheCockSportif]

4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

McD was hired without a GM (Whaley was going to be GONE, hence McD in charge of that draft). And then they brought in Beane. 
 

I don't know why you are arguing this point.  Whaley was fired right after the draft, and he was still GM at that time.  Sure, he may have been a figurehead, but fact remains that the Bills still had a GM when the HC was hired.

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, Groin said:

I don't know why you are arguing this point.  Whaley was fired right after the draft, and he was still GM at that time.  Sure, he may have been a figurehead, but fact remains that the Bills still had a GM when the HC was hired.

semantics. But keep trying it is cute. So who was hired first the HC (McD) or the GM (Beane). 
 

does McD report to Beane or does he report to Pegulas?

Edited January 2, 2020 by MAJBobby

[TheCockSportif]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

semantics. But keep trying it is cute. So who was hired first the HC (McD) or the GM (Beane). 

Semantics?  No.  Plain English?  Yes.

 

Fact: The Bills had a GM on January 11, 2017 when McD was hired.

 

Fact: The Bills offered Doug Whaley an extension on January 10, 2016, and fired him on April 30, 2017.

 

Fact: Beane was hired by the Bills on May 9, 2017.

 

The Browns have neither a HC nor a GM currently.  This was demonstrably not the case with the Bills in 2017, and that was the nature of my remark before.  Cry semantics all you want, but you were wrong.  Doubling down on being wrong just puts you on airlock.  See ya!

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, Groin said:

Semantics?  No.  Plain English?  Yes.

 

Fact: The Bills had a GM on January 11, 2017 when McD was hired.

 

Fact: The Bills offered Doug Whaley an extension on January 10, 2016, and fired him on April 30, 2017.

 

Fact: Beane was hired by the Bills on May 9, 2017.

 

The Browns have neither a HC nor a GM currently.  This was demonstrably not the case with the Bills in 2017, and that was the nature of my remark before.  Cry semantics all you want, but you were wrong.  Doubling down on being wrong just puts you on airlock.  See ya!

so again who was hired first McD or Beane. Looks like McD. Thanks. 
 

now does McD answer to Beane or the owner? (structure Browns want). 
 

later I know it is hard to grasp for some that McD was hired before Beane. And Browns will be hiring their HC before GM. 
 

I know it is even harder to grasp Beane and McD report to Pegula and Browns will have their HC and GM report to Haslams. 
 

and majorly hard to see that is exactly like us. 
 

and takes a real IQ to know that is what DePodesta wanted 3 years ago as well when he wanted McD 

Edited January 2, 2020 by MAJBobby

[Mike in Horseheads]

Daboll better have a good game plan if he wants to be a HC, his interview is Sunday with the Browns...... Mary Kay Cabot @MaryKayCabot · 3m #Browns updated interview schedule: #Ravens Greg Roman tonight in Balt, #49ers Robert Saleh this weekend in Ca., #Bills Brian Daboll Sun in Buffalo, #Patriots Josh McDaniels likely Jan. 10

[Saxum]

On 12/30/2019 at 9:21 PM, Buffalo Boy said:

There are a ton on this here board?

 

There are sure are if you are talking about disaster candidates of year which Browns usually hire.

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Groin said:

Not as I recall.  Actually, not at all.  McD was hired while Whaley was still GM.  Then Whaley "humans should not play football" Whaleyed his way out of the joint.  Then they hired Beane.

 

With the benefit of hindsight to review McDermott's intro presser, he made a bunch of comments about how he was "comfortable with the situation" at GM and "the Pegulas have made certain that I am comfortable with it, which I appreciate" or words to that effect.

 

The famous "not privy" presser with Whaley sealed his doom, and he was quickly given a back seat in the coaching search.  He had Whaleyed himself out before McD was hired.

 

I think, again with the benefit of hindsight to read the tealeaves, that the Pegulas promised McDermott that he could bring in his guy either outright, or if he wasn't 100% satisfied after working with Whaley for some short period of time - and that McDermott had an understanding with Beane before he took the job.

[Nihilarian]

3 hours ago, BringBackOrton said:

I didn’t compare Lynn to Rex Ryan. I compared simplifying our system to basically eroding the point of the system. 

 

Yes, Lynn has won with the Chargers. That doesn’t prove ANYTHING about his ability to develop an offensive scheme. That’s not his job as an HC in LA, and it wasn’t his job as an OC or RB coach for the Bills.

 

What evidence do you have that the scheme in LA is less complicated than the one in Buffalo? Furthermore, what evidence do you have that THAT is the reason it is more productive, and not the fact that Allen, Rivers, and Gordon were better than their Bills counterparts prior to this last season?

Wade is a perfect example of how the NFL works. He’s gotten fired as an HC a bunch of times but continues to get coordinator jobs because he’s got a reputation as a heck of a coordinator. 

 

First off, I know the Bills offensive scheme is very complex because John Brown stated as such when he stated it was by far the most complicated scheme he had been involved in. Others have also mentioned that the scheme that Daboll runs is very complex compared to others who run the same scheme. I'd call this rather moronic considering he is dealing with a very raw, inexperienced QB the last two seasons.

 

Second, those Chargers players are better then the Bills counterparts no question as they all have made the pro bowl. However, like I stated that all three were there for the 4-12 / 5-11 seasons too under McCoy. (This season looks to be a very down season for Rivers as he has 23 thrown TDs, 20 INTs.) Anthony Lynn came in and made that Charger team a 12-4 playoff team!  

 

Third, why on earth would the man need to develop an offensive scheme? Why not just take the play book for EP and run with it like he did in LA after he fired Chargers OC Ken Whisenhunt in Oct 2019. Lynn later on promoted QB coach Shane Steichen to the play calling and yet Lynn made it known he would be heavily involved in the offensive game plan. Lynn stated he wanted more of a balanced offense which included more from the run game. 

 

Lynn took over from Greg Roman in Buffalo and made the offense better while calling better plays. So much better that he took the Chargers offer to be their next HC and took a bad team to the playoffs. 

 

Lastly, I don't need evidence or feel the need to prove anything to you!  I stated that I like Anthony Lynn to run the Buffalo Bills offense and I stand by that opinion as i feel he is an outstanding, talented OC, HC. You have given your opinion and don't agree with my opinion, that's fine. 

 

 

 

 

[BillsFan4]

3 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

So just like we did. And have the same reporting structure as we have. They want to be like us 

Speaking of..

 

great article on the Athletic for those with a subscription -

 

https://theathletic.com/1503304/2020/01/02/as-cleveland-browns-begin-another-rebuild-they-could-learn-some-lessons-from-the-buffalo-bills/

Reed: Browns should look to Buffalo for answers after latest house cleaning

 

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Two weeks ago, while researching a story on the five remaining Browns players from the inglorious 1-31 era, I ran across a stat that threw me for a loss quicker than a Freddie Kitchens-designed shovel pass.

 

My assumption was no NFL franchise could possibly have fewer holdovers from the 2016 season than the Browns. Not only does such a squad exist, but it’s headed back to the playoffs for the second time in three years.

 

The Buffalo Bills shared a similar legacy of losing with the Browns from 1999 — when Cleveland returned to the league — until the start of the 2017 season. The Bills, much like their Lake Erie brethren, have turned over an entire roster save for defenders Jerry Hughes, Shaq Lawson and Lorenzo Alexander.

 

 

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Which brings us back to the Bills, who were in a similar predicament not long ago. Both teams play in cold-weather markets that aren’t desirable to many high-end free agents unless they are overpaid.

 

When the Bills traded receiver Sammy Watkins and cornerback Ronald Darby for draft picks prior to the 2017 season, some figured they were embarking on a tear-it-down-to-the-studs rebuild like the Browns. Instead, coach Sean McDermott and general manager Brandon Beane have overseen a renaissance that’s produced two playoff berths and one of the NFL’s best defenses.

 

The Bills, who face the Texans on Saturday, are not bonafide title contenders yet. They are, however, trending in the right direction and establishing continuity and culture that are woefully lacking in Berea.

 

What can the Browns learn from the Bills’ rise to respectability? Let’s examine several factors:

 

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- You don’t have to game the system to assemble a decent team.

- Don’t use a high draft pick on a quarterback if you can’t protect him within two seasons. 

- Make sure your most important decision-makers and players are on the same page.

- You can’t win without talent, but talent absent character and leadership is asking for trouble. 

 

(For lots more details on each point, click on link)

 

[BringBackOrton]

53 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

First off, I know the Bills offensive scheme is very complex because John Brown stated as such when he stated it was by far the most complicated scheme he had been involved in. Others have also mentioned that the scheme that Daboll runs is very complex compared to others who run the same scheme. I'd call this rather moronic considering he is dealing with a very raw, inexperienced QB the last two seasons.

 

Second, those Chargers players are better then the Bills counterparts no question as they all have made the pro bowl. However, like I stated that all three were there for the 4-12 / 5-11 seasons too under McCoy. (This season looks to be a very down season for Rivers as he has 23 thrown TDs, 20 INTs.) Anthony Lynn came in and made that Charger team a 12-4 playoff team!  

 

Third, why on earth would the man need to develop an offensive scheme? Why not just take the play book for EP and run with it like he did in LA after he fired Chargers OC Ken Whisenhunt in Oct 2019. Lynn later on promoted QB coach Shane Steichen to the play calling and yet Lynn made it known he would be heavily involved in the offensive game plan. Lynn stated he wanted more of a balanced offense which included more from the run game. 

 

Lynn took over from Greg Roman in Buffalo and made the offense better while calling better plays. So much better that he took the Chargers offer to be their next HC and took a bad team to the playoffs. 

 

Lastly, I don't need evidence or feel the need to prove anything to you!  I stated that I like Anthony Lynn to run the Buffalo Bills offense and I stand by that opinion as i feel he is an outstanding, talented OC, HC. You have given your opinion and don't agree with my opinion, that's fine. 

 

 

 

 

The Chargers offense actually got a little worse in PPG from 2016 to 2017. The Chargers defense however went from 29th in the NFL in points allowed to 3rd. That’s almost certainly more responsible for their turnaround. 

 

I asked why you believe Lynn’s offense is less complicated than Daboll’s, and you can only say that Bills players say the Bills’ is complex. How do you know the Chargers’ players don’t feel the same way about their system? 

 

You don’t have to prove anything to anyone, but it is telling that you are struggling to substantiatively defend your opinion.

[Alphadawg7]

I hope they hire him.  I want a new OC

[Buffalo Boy]

1 hour ago, Limeaid said:

 

There are sure are if you are talking about disaster candidates of year which Browns usually hire.

 

 

   Watching the Browns suck it up this year was extra SWEET after all the cajone washings they got in the preseason. “ They are who we thought they were.”