SirAndrew Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 37 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Did you watch his throws outside the hashes? He can’t make them; he looked like Peterman without the height. (I say this as a person who likes Barkley.) I realize that by definition backup qbs are gonna be flawed, but lest we forget, Kyle Orton was a backup who could play and certainly make all of the throws. Good take. Analyzing a QB isn’t always about who they are playing with, or yards thrown. There is so much more that goes into it. Of course, Barkley wasn’t going to have a great game with our backup WR’s, but there are fundamental abilities he lacks. These issues show regardless of situation. Just now, Kelly the Dog said: The issue has nothing to do with who he is playing with or against. The issue is he cannot throw the requisite passes to be a decent QB in this league. It's always been the case, it's why he was a late round pick, it is why he has been released by 3-4 teams. He is not going to get better, it is why he has 10 TDs and 21 INTS and a 66 rating in his career. His pocket awareness also leaves a lot to be desired. When forced to play a backup QB, you hope the guy limits mistakes allowing his team to stay in games. Barkley’s inability to feel pressure would make that very difficult. He’s the type of guy who’s going to take terrible sacks, and turn the ball over due to lack of pocket awareness. That’s not the play you want from a backup. Anytime a backup QB makes a play it’s a bonus, what you really ask for is mistake free football. I don’t think Barkley can do that with his arm, and subpar pocket presence. 2
Speedy Beebe Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 2 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said: Rosen? It would be kinda funny to have Josh back up the right Josh, wouldn’t it?
Don Otreply Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 Really? He is a “backup QB” who played with a lot of back ups, nothin to see here, move along.., Go Bills!!!
Kelly the Dog Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, NJKBillsfan said: Barkley hasn't even started that many pro games. It's just pointless to try to evaluate him based off so few NFL starts. Actually it's all you need to know. When a player is physically incapable of playing the position all it takes is one game. If that. 1
JMF2006 Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 38 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: That sounds like a ringing endorsement Phil Rivers should move east and take 35m of the Bucs money
Kelly the Dog Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 18 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: His pocket awareness also leaves a lot to be desired. When forced to play a backup QB, you hope the guy limits mistakes allowing his team to stay in games. Barkley’s inability to feel pressure would make that very difficult. He’s the type of guy who’s going to take terrible sacks, and turn the ball over due to lack of pocket awareness. That’s not the play you want from a backup. Anytime a backup QB makes a play it’s a bonus, what you really ask for is mistake free football. I don’t think Barkley can do that with his arm, and subpar pocket presence. Yep, it's the double whammy. He doesn't have the arm, and he is slow moving. So even when he does feel the pressure he cannot escape well. I didn't think it was a good signing to begin with and have said all this numerous times here, even with the Jet game last year. He's smart, and he is capable of throwing some timing passes. He probably helps Josh. But he cannot play the position well enough. 1
Kelly the Dog Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 1 minute ago, NJKBillsfan said: Funny that a player who is physically incapable of playing the position put up 40 + in an NFL game last season. It happens. Zay Jones caught six balls for 93 yards and two TDs in a game last season. That doesn't mean he is any good or capable of playing his position well in this league either. 2
SactoBillFan Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 I'm all for the Bills improving whenever they can. I'll take Barkely over Peterman any day. See what's out there... Can't say he is the worst backup in the league though.
DuckyBoys Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 Here's to Matt Barkley never having to take meaningful snaps
Beach Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: The backups made him play that bad? He's a backup too. And I read here a week ago that the Jets are simply awful. Pittsburgh's UDFA 4th string QB played a lot of games with a lot of backups this season... i get your point but how do you think allen would have done with that supporting cast? 1
Mr. WEO Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Beach said: i get your point but how do you think allen would have done with that supporting cast? Better than Barkley
Beach Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: Better than Barkley well, yes he should since he is the STARTER! but i do not believe he was gonna light them up
dave mcbride Posted December 31, 2019 Author Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said: Yep, it's the double whammy. He doesn't have the arm, and he is slow moving. So even when he does feel the pressure he cannot escape well. I didn't think it was a good signing to begin with and have said all this numerous times here, even with the Jet game last year. He's smart, and he is capable of throwing some timing passes. He probably helps Josh. But he cannot play the position well enough. He’s not an athlete. 1 hour ago, NJKBillsfan said: Funny that a player who is physically incapable of playing the position put up 40 + in an NFL game last season. Read my original post. It is the only good game he has had in his career. And I like the guy. 1
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 3 hours ago, Pay_Poyer said: The responses to this topic certainly show that the saying is true - the backup qb is the most popular guy in the team. The Bills have the money and with Allen’s playing style they must get a better backup for next year. I realize he was not playing with the starters, but nothing he did yesterday instilled any confidence that he could handle multiple starts in a row. Seems like a good guy, but I think getting another qb to back up Josh has to be on the list of things to do in the offseason Barkley is Chroisen
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 There will be some better options available in the off season with decent experience; Chase Daniels, Case Keenum, Flacco, and some identified in other posts. We need to remember that we base our opinions on a very limited exposure to Barkley. The coaching staff has seen him all preseason and everyday in practice. I trust that they know what needs to be done. If they need to upgrade, they'll make a move to create a competition in training camp.
Tcali Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 6 hours ago, Beach said: i dont see him as an issue. sure he played bad, but he played with all back ups. people seem to be forgetting that. he played 2 games so far---with a season worth of not playing between. he had one great game and one mediocre one. Kinda sounds like someone else on our roster who people are comparing to john elway and bret favre..oi this board
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 22 minutes ago, NJKBillsfan said: Who cares if he's not an athlete? What exactly does Allen give us that's so great? 17 points per game maybe? The Bills have scored an average 20.5 ppg in the 15 games prior to this past Sunday. They have no particular outlier high-scoring games to skew the average. 56 minutes ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said: There will be some better options available in the off season with decent experience; Chase Daniels, Case Keenum, Flacco, and some identified in other posts. We need to remember that we base our opinions on a very limited exposure to Barkley. The coaching staff has seen him all preseason and everyday in practice. I trust that they know what needs to be done. If they need to upgrade, they'll make a move to create a competition in training camp. Flacco said straight out he did not enjoy being a backup. I would like to see a QB that Josh Allen can take some improvement from. Case Keenum, last I saw him, was a zip-code-passer who looked great throwing to Theilen and Diggs.
34-78-83 Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 Agreed. I think Barkley is helping Allen just fine but as a QB that has to play once in a while, he doesn’t cut it.
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) Barkley is ok. The Jets defense is very good and Barkley wasn't playing with a full deck. I think it might be a good time to draft another QB though. Maybe around rounds 4-6. Start developing him as Allen's backup. Barkley stays 1 more year. Edited December 31, 2019 by Buffalo_Stampede
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