Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, GG said: Very interesting comment by McD, especially in light of all the Daboll talk this week. Yeah, he has to “trust” those guys some more. Those are the same guys he hits in the hands and they drop the ball or deflect it to the defensive player! All joking and complaining aside, I think this may also refer to just dumping the ball down. Josh is always looking off the easy check downs. Barkley took all of those the last game, and there were a lot of easy gains. 3
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, GG said: Could be my personal interpretation, it appears that McD is hinting that Allen is still not where they would like him to be for the offense to function properly. I think it's evident in some of the hesitation that shows up on film where Allen doesn't quite trust the route and by the time he does, the window closes. Just to be clear 'cuz some people miss this, sometimes on film when Allen hesitates, it's strategic. On the Knox TD he overthrew, Allen got the DL to jump early. Fairly sick. I don't think McDermott is hinting about hesitating to pull the trigger. That's an experience thing for sure, and will hopefully change with time, but it's sort of graduate-school QBing. I think the stuff McDermott wants Allen to see and take is much more basic. It's a fact that sometimes when Allen goes for the big throw repeatedly (and misses), he is passing up a higher-percentage throw that would with high probability move the chains either on 3rd down, or as a 1st or 2nd down throw. It's one of these "blessing and a curse" things - the throws Allen tries to take are definitely open and good reads, and the throws Allen passes up are usually short of the Line of Gain, but (for example) when you have Singletary with no defender within 7 yds of him and only one guy with a play, I give Motor a pretty high probability to make that one guy miss and get 'er done. So trust Singletary and take the shot. 2
YoloinOhio Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 13 minutes ago, GG said: Could be my personal interpretation, it appears that McD is hinting that Allen is still not where they would like him to be for the offense to function properly. I think it's evident in some of the hesitation that shows up on film where Allen doesn't quite trust the route and by the time he does, the window closes. That’s on Dorsey too
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: That’s on Dorsey too Say more?
YoloinOhio Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Say more? If it’s true that Allen is hesitating and not trusting the routes, the QB coach is accountable for that too
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 18 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: Yeah, he has to “trust” those guys some more. Those are the same guys he hits in the hands and they drop the ball or deflect it to the defensive player! All joking and complaining aside, I think this may also refer to just dumping the ball down. Josh is always looking off the easy check downs. Barkley took all of those the last game, and there were a lot of easy gains. Yes to the second - the plays that lead me to suggest that Singletary should be equipped with one of those long white fiberglass poles with an orange flag on top, like a Syracuse fire hydrant, to help Allen find him. I picture one aspect of the game prep as McDermott paging Allen to his office. When he gets there, Daboll is seated behind McDermott's desk. McNasty is behind the door and jumps out to pin Allen while Daboll hurdles the desk (OK, maybe he waddles over it like that New Years fur seal meme), grabs Allen by the ears, and yells "TAKE THE CHECKDOWN!" Too dramatic? Maybe they could just send him to the Nap Pods with a Bieber playlist on special earbuds that reiterate "Take the Checkdown" It's ironic, all those years the Bills had a QB who would ALWAYS take the checkdown and we longed for someone who would push the ball downfield. And we've got one, and it's good, except when it goes too far and he NEVER takes the checkdown.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 37 minutes ago, eball said: Have you ever watched a Belichick press conference? Every team they play is unbelievably good in all facets of the game. This is coachspeak 101 -- don't give your opponents any reason to feel disrespected. I'm surprised you think the comments made by McD or Josh to the media reflect anything about the team's mindset. You've been analyzing these PCs far too much lately, in my opinion. How about "you do you"? This is kind of a "cake and eat it" post for a discussion board, IMO. You put out a genuinely interesting comment about coachspeak. Then you choke off further commentary by making it 1) personal towards me 2) providing yourself with a ready rejoinder to any further discussion. If I respond with what I'm looking at and hearing and it going beyond coachspeak, you can dismiss it as "Here's another example of analyzing these PCs far too much" I mean, who knows? I might have a point, and someone other than you might be interested, but I'm not gonna play with a pre-stacked deck.
eball Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: How about "you do you"? This is kind of a "cake and eat it" post for a discussion board, IMO. You put out a genuinely interesting comment about coachspeak. Then you choke off further commentary by making it 1) personal towards me 2) providing yourself with a ready rejoinder to any further discussion. If I respond with what I'm looking at and hearing and it going beyond coachspeak, you can dismiss it as "Here's another example of analyzing these PCs far too much" I mean, who knows? I might have a point, and someone other than you might be interested, but I'm not gonna play with a pre-stacked deck. Hey man, it's just my opinion. I think anybody looking for genuine insight when a coach/player speaks to the media -- particularly in advance of a playoff game -- is a bit naive. And wow, you're giving me much more power than I ever presumed to have. I really "choked off" further commentary? Interesting. Enjoy the game, pal. 1
CincyBillsFan Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 39 minutes ago, GG said: Could be my personal interpretation, it appears that McD is hinting that Allen is still not where they would like him to be for the offense to function properly. I think it's evident in some of the hesitation that shows up on film where Allen doesn't quite trust the route and by the time he does, the window closes. To me it's obvious that Allen is not where they would like him to be YET. I wouldn't expect Allen to be there yet in only his 2nd year and given the circumstances of his development as a QB. At the risk of reading to much into things, I actually see this as the Bill's coaches knowing that Allen is close to making a major jump in performance. They see him in practice every day and they look at the film. They know that he's on the verge of a breakout and they're anxious for him to get there. I bet that if you could go back and be a fly on the wall during Brett Farve's 2nd & 3rd year in Green bay his coaches would sound a lot like Daboll & McD. They could see they had a budding superstar in the making and were impatient for him to take the leap. 1
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 22 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: It's ironic, all those years the Bills had a QB who would ALWAYS take the checkdown and we longed for someone who would push the ball downfield. And we've got one, and it's good, except when it goes too far and he NEVER takes the checkdown. I am so scarred from our prior check down QBs. I remember the debates on here (pre all-22) where we were debating whether receivers were actually running routes in the middle of the field because the ball was never thrown there.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said: To me it's obvious that Allen is not where they would like him to be YET. I wouldn't expect Allen to be there yet in only his 2nd year and given the circumstances of his development as a QB. At the risk of reading to much into things, I actually see this as the Bill's coaches knowing that Allen is close to making a major jump in performance. They see him in practice every day and they look at the film. They know that he's on the verge of a breakout and they're anxious for him to get there. I bet that if you could go back and be a fly on the wall during Brett Farve's 2nd & 3rd year in Green bay his coaches would sound a lot like Daboll & McD. They could see they had a budding superstar in the making and were impatient for him to take the leap. Then give him that opportunity! When was he at his best. Playing FEARLESS! When Daboll had actual goo running plays designed into the game plan. A leashed Josh isn't what they need. JMO
whatdrought Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 An interesting side tidbit that is super impressive... 6 1 1
eball Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 20 minutes ago, whatdrought said: An interesting side tidbit that is super impressive... It's twofold -- money to bring in starting quality FAs and re-sign our own, plus the ability to increase depth across the board. Well done, Sean and Brandon!
YoloinOhio Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Mrbojanglezs said: What does it say about these two that they needed to be carted off the field, Levi couldn't put weight on his foot, and they are back practicing a couple days later? They must have very low pain tolerance. Did they “need” to be carted off by request? This is done for precaution by teams for players who have ankle injuries.
Andrew Son Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Did they “need” to be carted off by request? This is done for precaution by teams for players who have ankle injuries. It was 4D chess for the playoffs 1
Blank Stare Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: What does it say about these two that they needed to be carted off the field, Levi couldn't put weight on his foot, and they are back practicing a couple days later? They must have very low pain tolerance. While it could be, don’t know if it’s a pain tolerance thing. Rather, it’s probably pretty wise to keep weight off things, particularly when you don’t fully know the extent of the injury. We all like seeing guys “walk it off” to give us comfort and because it’s what we’ve become accustomed to, but I look at carting guys off as being overly cautious. Why make them walk all the way back to the locker room when the cart is just sitting there. A very minor tweak to the norm and the way things have traditionally been done. Just my 2 cents though. Edited January 2, 2020 by TheProcess
whatdrought Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 14 minutes ago, eball said: It's twofold -- money to bring in starting quality FAs and re-sign our own, plus the ability to increase depth across the board. Well done, Sean and Brandon! Yep... And I think the argument can be made that of all those playoff teams you have to go down the list to the Ravens to find a team that is the better all around team.
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