Week 17: NJ Jets at Buffalo Bills PostGame

[Do The Reich Thing]

13 minutes ago, iinii said:

When he plays like one. 

So... by that logic you’re saying Barkley > Allen?

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Small complaint. Why didn’t McDermott challenge that total bogus OPI on Sweeney? 

[jkeerie]

14 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:

Small complaint. Why didn’t McDermott challenge that total bogus OPI on Sweeney? 

He was ready to, but coaches have been burned all year on obvious PI calls not being overturned on review.   

[deraeler]

Yay to WideNine's points re: using the sidelines and wrapping up. Spot on dude.

 

RE: QB/WR failures, they favor speed, but Foster is never on the right page.  DW is but isn't fast enough.  

But its a coaches jobs to work with these discrepancies and make something work.  Is this on the QB coach? Because its been an issue with both Barclay and Allen.

 

I'm just left with such an empty feeling that these (admittedly few, but costly) injuries were SO unnecessary and gained us NOTHING. We didn't improve or learn or help our playoff status at all, and we finished the season on a dirge of a game in a negative all around atmosphere. The guys can't take a positive feeling into the playoffs from the fact that our 2's played their 1's pretty well (and only one defense, on offense - they just didn't).

 

It wouldn't have taken that much more to beat the PAts, and then the Jets, winning the division - and these guys would be unstoppablle heading into <insert opponent here>.

 

Re: the Sweeney challenge McD has to hear two dissenting opinions to challenge, and I guess he didn't (at least according to Feeley).

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

He was ready to, but coaches have been burned all year on obvious PI calls not being overturned on review.   

They should be aware that some of these calls have been getting overturned in recent weeks. Earlier in the season, that was not the case. 

[jkeerie]

2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

They should be aware that some of these calls have been getting overturned in recent weeks. Earlier in the season, that was not the case. 

I agree to an extent but there's no rhyme nor reason to it.  I can't fault McD for not wanting to risk losing a challenge and a time out. 

[Boatdrinks]

3 minutes ago, deraeler said:

Yay to WideNine's points re: using the sidelines and wrapping up. Spot on dude.

 

RE: QB/WR failures, they favor speed, but Foster is never on the right page.  DW is but isn't fast enough.  

But its a coaches jobs to work with these discrepancies and make something work.  Is this on the QB coach? Because its been an issue with both Barclay and Allen.

 

I'm just left with such an empty feeling that these (admittedly few, but costly) injuries were SO unnecessary and gained us NOTHING. We didn't improve or learn or help our playoff status at all, and we finished the season on a dirge of a game in a negative all around atmosphere. The guys can't take a positive feeling into the playoffs from the fact that our 2's played their 1's pretty well (and only one defense, on offense - they just didn't).

 

It wouldn't have taken that much more to beat the PAts, and then the Jets, winning the division - and these guys would be unstoppablle heading into <insert opponent here>.

 

Re: the Sweeney challenge McD has to hear two dissenting opinions to challenge, and I guess he didn't (at least according to Feeley).

Wouldn’t beating the Jets have taken quite a bit more ? Such as playing the starters on offense ? Seems like you’re advocating against this , lamenting injuries ( which can happen at any time in any game) . So which is it ? The players looked confident today, and I doubt their confidence is shaken in any way. It will take a lot more to beat the Pats*, too. The Bills have about two wins over Brady in his career. The team isn’t there yet, but they are in the playoffs, and can win too. Your “ probation “ should be revoked. 

2 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

I agree to an extent but there's no rhyme nor reason to it.  I can't fault McD for not wanting to risk losing a challenge and a time out. 

In a meaningless game, why not put it to the test ? It’s a minor quibble, to be sure though. 

[PolishPrince]

43 minutes ago, MDH said:

 

Foster is a huge part of the Bills’ ST. Fans don’t notice those contributions, or lack thereof, until a big return happens.

 

If you want to be WR 5, you better contribute to STs. Otherwise you’ll never see the field.

The problem is our #4 and #5 are pretty much only special teamers in Roberts and Foster... our #3 is a gadget player. We need to either focus getting the TE's involved more, or sit Foster and put in Duke. 
 

As decent as Roberts has been returning kicks this year, I wont be upset if his injury lingers another week. Let McKenzie return kicks, Foster stays for gunning, and Duke gets called up for Roberts

Edited December 29, 2019 by PolishPrince

[MDH]

9 minutes ago, PolishPrince said:

The problem is our #4 and #5 are pretty much only special teamers in Roberts and Foster... our #3 is a gadget player. We need to either focus getting the TE's involved more, or sit Foster and put in Duke. 
 

As decent as Roberts has been returning kicks this year, I wont be upset if his injury lingers another week. Let McKenzie return kicks, Foster stays for gunning, and Duke gets called up for Roberts

Roberts is as sure handed as it gets returning punts. People are forgetting how questionable McKenzie is returning punts. early in the year they decided to have Hyde fair catch every punt instead of putting McKenzie back there.

 

If the Bills could find the roster spot I’d rather have Yeldon active than Duke.

[PolishPrince]

4 minutes ago, MDH said:

Roberts is as sure handed as it gets returning punts. People are forgetting how questionable McKenzie is returning punts. early in the year they decided to have Hyde fair catch every punt instead of putting McKenzie back there.

 

If the Bills could find the roster spot I’d rather have Yeldon active than Duke.

Then let Hyde fair catch again. We essentially have 4 gimmick players. 1 returner only. 2x gunner only in Perry and Foster, and McKenzie only used on sweeps and faking a sweep.... not to mention we also have DiMarco who plays like 10 snaps at most a game (but is special teams ace), and a pure blocking TE in Smith. With all of our special teams ace's I wonder why our ST still has such poor days. Its like 50-50 if they are going to be fantastic, or crap.

[MDH]

1 minute ago, PolishPrince said:

Then let Hyde fair catch again. We essentially have 4 gimmick players. 1 returner only. 2x gunner only in Perry and Foster, and McKenzie only used on sweeps and faking a sweep.... not to mention we also have DiMarco who plays like 10 snaps at most a game (but is special teams ace), and a pure blocking TE in Smith. With all of our special teams ace's I wonder why our ST still has such poor days. Its like 50-50 if they are going to be fantastic, or crap.

Other than the Pats’ punt block the ST have been solid all year on coverage and return units.  Not sure of this 50/50 stuff

you're referring to.

 

ST is a unit that is taken for granted by fans until they give up a big play that costs the team.

 

Personally, I don’t think Williams adds more

value as a WR 5 than the players that contribute to ST.

 

And yeah, I’d like a big, fast, all around stud at WR. I just don’t believe Duke is anywhere

near being that player. 

[Rocky Landing]

A lot of hay has been made today about how Yeldon needs to be active. I would like to point out that Yeldon averaged 2.6 YPC on seven carries for 18 yards. Gore averaged 4.3 YPC for 26 yards on six carries, and Gore did all his work up the middle. Motor is the clear starter. Who is Yeldon meant to supplant?

[mannc]

36 minutes ago, MDH said:

Roberts is as sure handed as it gets returning punts. People are forgetting how questionable McKenzie is returning punts. early in the year they decided to have Hyde fair catch every punt instead of putting McKenzie back there.

 

If the Bills could find the roster spot I’d rather have Yeldon active than Duke.

Tre White was an excellent punt returner at LSU.  I’d put him back there if Roberts can’t go.

[PolishPrince]

29 minutes ago, MDH said:

Other than the Pats’ punt block the ST have been solid all year on coverage and return units.  Not sure of this 50/50 stuff

you're referring to.

 

ST is a unit that is taken for granted by fans until they give up a big play that costs the team.

 

Personally, I don’t think Williams adds more

value as a WR 5 than the players that contribute to ST.

 

And yeah, I’d like a big, fast, all around stud at WR. I just don’t believe Duke is anywhere

near being that player. 

And I can think of multiple games this year where people were wanting our ST coach fired because our coverage was mediocre to poor and we were miscuing on plays. If you have 4+ members on your active roster dedicated solely for niche special teams role (not including P/K) then you should be better IMO. Siran Neal is the MUCH better gunner than Foster, and Neal has contributed in the secondary all year.

7 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

A lot of hay has been made today about how Yeldon needs to be active. I would like to point out that Yeldon averaged 2.6 YPC on seven carries for 18 yards. Gore averaged 4.3 YPC for 26 yards on six carries, and Gore did all his work up the middle. Motor is the clear starter. Who is Yeldon meant to supplant?

I agree with you, not sure what people saw Yeldon do to cement an active place - I just dont think he is as bad as others claim with the fumbles.

 

Duke and Sweeney need to be starting over some combination of Perry, Foster, Smith, DiMarco....IMO.

[tcampbell104]

2 hours ago, Do The Reich Thing said:

So I guess the question is when does Allen not need a mentor and he, himself considered a vet?

kelly always relied on riech for advice on what the defense was doing

[TigerJ]

Buffalo got through the game with relatively minor injury losses.  They identified a couple guys who could be contributors in the playoffs and a number of players who are unlikely to be contributors ever.  All in all, not a total loss.

[ColoradoBills]

3 hours ago, Do The Reich Thing said:

Barkley is 100% gone next year. We will draft or pick up a QB more in-line with Josh's skill set. 

 

Barkley is a lock to go to camp and preseason.

 

As for the game I'll add that Duke Williams played well and should get an "active" status for the Texans game.

[MDH]

6 minutes ago, PolishPrince said:

And I can think of multiple games this year where people were wanting our ST coach fired

 

Let’s hear those games. They’ve been very solid since early season.

 

 

 

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

Barkley is not a back up QB. 

 

My comment was about Barkley going to camp.

Personally I think they make a move to upgrade the backup position.

[CincyBillsFan]

This game reminded me of about 50 Bills games from over the last 20 years.  The only difference was that in those games it was our starters losing!  As others have said there's not a lot you can take away from what amounted to a final preseason game for the Bills.  But here are a few observations:

 

*  Folks are overreacting about Barkley.  No game plan and back-ups all over the field can do that to a QB.  Throw in a cold rain and why would anyone be surprised he struggled?  With that being said, last season Allen did more with less and hopefully today will end any talk about Allen not being #1 & Barkley not being #2. 

 

*  I thought our back-up defensive players did well.  Some good hustle & hard nosed play gives me confidence that the next man up is real with our defensive personnel. 

 

*  Duke & Sweeney played very well and these guys should be given a long hard look during the off season as possible starters/key substitutes.  I get the argument that right now Foster has more value because of his ST play and should be activated over Duke.  But it's hard to ignore the 100 yard receiving game Duke put up today.  We might get real lucky here folks -- real lucky.

 

*  While on the subject of Sweeney, he started right back up where he left off during preseason.  He gets open and catches the ball.  With an off season of conditioning and working on his blocking he and Knox may be a very solid 1/2 punch at TE next season.  They're both rookies and we should see a big jump in their play from this year to next. 

 

*  If we could get "lucky" with Duke as the big bodied WR and Knox/Sweeney as the TE's Bean & McD could concentrate on RB & OL in the off season.  That would be huge.

 

*  If I was a Jets fan I would be having some concern over Darnold right now.  I thought he played poorly today against our backups.  The difference between him and Allen seems to have widened.  While the stat sheet will only show one INT today he should have had 2 - 3 more.  He missed a wide open receiver in the end zone and his pocket awareness seemed poor.  Given the recent Jet's "run" today was their Super Bowl and playing against our back-ups Darnold should have shined.  Instead he seemed close to seeing "ghosts" on the field again.