Let's for a minute flip the Offense & Defense.... Where would the Bills be?

[Billsfan1972]

I get a lot of flack here for 100% concentrating on the Passing game & the Bills Offense.  I do it because QB is the most important position in football & the Bills drafted Allen to be their franchise QB.

 

Now McD took over a team that was 16th in Offense (Yards Gained) & have been 29th, 30th & currently 24th under his regime.

 

The QB they drafted as their future in terms of Passing Yards/Game (and please let's not talk about his running, which has been a surprise as no one expected it & has been great) has been 32nd & 29th in two seasons.  No 300 yard games (had to mention that?) either.

 

And again remember I am a HUGE JOSH ALLEN SUPPORTER.

 

The defense was 14th in 2016 & 26th 207, 2nd 2018 & 3rd 2019 (Yards allowed).....  

 

Here's the source.....

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2017/opp.htm

 

So let's pretend the Defense was decimated  (going from 16th to 29th, 30th & 24th) by McD & after a blip in 2017 the Offense was now a top 5 with their franchise QB (Allen), which is not a stretch seeing what Mahomes has done in KC, would the Bills not be way ahead (and frankly more fun to watch?)? BTW 2016 the Rams were 32nd on Offense & next year under McVay #1!!!!!  So it can be done.

 

 

The issue is & I keep repeating is with the way McD & Daboll handle the offense & the play calling, how is anyone confident that the Bills make that next step, and are you sure that the Bills defense will continue to be this good?

 

 

Edited December 27, 2019 by Billsfan1972

[Beast]

15 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

So let's pretend 

 

 

 

No.

[loyal2dagame]

If our offense jumped into the top 5, I billieve (see what i did there?) our defensive ranking would definitely take a hit. I'm not saying that the D would straight out suck, but a lot of chunk yards would be given up during garbage time which would drop the overall rankings of the defense.

 

The Bills would probably be the best team in the league under your scenario, even with the diminished defensive yards allowed stats.

[Patrick Duffy]

Probably still be 10-5

[Billsfan1972]

The point is there would too be a different perception of the team and it would be further ahead in my estimations.  

 

What's interesting is seeing the leaps KC, LA Rams, Baltimore & others can do with creative offensive minds.  

 

And by the way with a top three offense & being 100% sure of the QB going forward they'd be more fun to watch (except for those still mired in 60's football), attract free agents & yep national exposure too.....

 

Oops but that's not the Buffalo way.

Edited December 27, 2019 by Billsfan1972

[Scott7975]

I still think they are fun to watch and that's not because I am mired if 60's football.  Its because I feel like Allen can always pull that drive off even if sometimes he doesn't.

I don't need to see 300 yards games to be more entertained.  Just some more scores would suffice no matter how they got them.  Personally I am more entertained by tough fought battles and nail biters than I would be blowing teams out left and right.  If I were a Pats fan I would have been bored of that team long ago.  Why? Because I always know the outcome.  There really isn't much emotion involved.  In our games the emotions are like a roller coaster.  That's what makes the games fun IMO.

 

As for the rest... I believe its just part of the Allen development.  This is where the team is at right now.  The defense is way ahead of the offense right now so they game plan for that.   They play to their strengths.  Right now their strength is defense.  While I don't like it, I think as the offenses catches up and Allen improves we will see a shift. I still think Daboll could do a better job though.  I don't think he is a good coach.  Im tired of hearing that he is a good coach because "he schemed a guy open."  Yeah, they all do.

 

I think if the offense and defense flipped, we would be in no better position then we are in now.

Edited December 27, 2019 by Scott7975

[Formerly Allan in MD]

Where would the Bills be?  Confused!

[Gugny]

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

And again remember I am a HUGE JOSH ALLEN SUPPORTER.

 

I don't think you and scores of others have the same definition of "supporter."

[Billsfan1972]

1 minute ago, Gugny said:

 

I don't think you and scores of others have the same definition of "supporter."

How so?  I think he is severely held back & badly coached.

 

I think the offense is a lot better then it shows.

 

The fact that every NFL team has thrown for 300 yards in each of 2017, 2018 & 2019 (except Arizona in 2018) pretty much tells you how this staff has handled the Bills offense since McD was signed.

[Augie]

38 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

Where would the Bills be?  Confused!

 

As long as they remain in WNY I will be a fan.

 

Rex pushed the envelope, but here I am. 

[ganesh]

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

The point is there would too be a different perception of the team and it would be further ahead in my estimations.  

 

What's interesting is seeing the leaps KC, LA Rams, Baltimore & others can do with creative offensive minds.  

 

And by the way with a top three offense & being 100% sure of the QB going forward they'd be more fun to watch (except for those still mired in 60's football), attract free agents & yep national exposure too.....

 

Oops but that's not the Buffalo way.

We keep comparing with Baltimore, KC and LA Rams.. Besides having a creative offensive mind, they also have game breaking WRs, RB and most importantly the best OL in football.  I think thy make a huge difference

[Gugny]

41 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

How so?  I think he is severely held back & badly coached.

 

I think the offense is a lot better then it shows.

 

The fact that every NFL team has thrown for 300 yards in each of 2017, 2018 & 2019 (except Arizona in 2018) pretty much tells you how this staff has handled the Bills offense since McD was signed.

 

The fact that this team has gone to the playoffs two of McDermott's three years pretty much tells me this staff has coached the TEAM pretty well.

 

This 300 yard game infatuation continues to boggle my mind.  Stafford and Rivers throw for 5000 yards every year ... and their teams suck.  Every year.

[Billsfan1972]

14 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

The fact that this team has gone to the playoffs two of McDermott's three years pretty much tells me this staff has coached the TEAM pretty well.

 

This 300 yard game infatuation continues to boggle my mind.  Stafford and Rivers throw for 5000 yards every year ... and their teams suck.  Every year.

How every team in the NFL is capable of a 300 yard game except the Bills is what is mind boggling.

 

Rivers has made the playoffs countless times.  How about using Brady, Payton Manning, Drew Brees or Aaron Rogers instead?  Oh & Cam Newton made the SB after a lousy passing year too.  

 

Do the Bills know something that the other 31 teams don't as they're the only team incapable of it & now going on 3 years!!!!

 

 

25 minutes ago, ganesh said:

We keep comparing with Baltimore, KC and LA Rams.. Besides having a creative offensive mind, they also have game breaking WRs, RB and most importantly the best OL in football.  I think thy make a huge difference

So how come the Bills aren't able to?  How did the Rams go from 32nd to 1st in one year????   

 

I take it as a defender of the process jumping from 29th to 24th is spectacular? 

 

Yes I expected a huge jump this year & that Allen would be given the opportunity to excel.....  Again I blame it on the coaching & play calling.

Edited December 27, 2019 by Billsfan1972

[DuckyBoys]

Most games this team does not need to pass for 300 yards or score buckets of points  However it would be nice if the coaching staff acted like that was a possibility.  I swear were dead set on getting to 20 points each game.

[Billsfan1972]

3 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said:

Most games this team does not need to pass for 300 yards or score buckets of points  However it would be nice if the coaching staff acted like that was a possibility.  I swear were dead set on getting to 20 points each game.

Now we can agree on something!!!!!!?

[Locomark]

Yardage stats stink in general. Good team often get far ahead and then give up yards when the game is out of hand. Good teams force turnovers in bunches and don’t need to have wild yardage differentials either. It’s a bad metric to look at yardage rankings in my mind so I really wouldn’t even guess based solely on that. 

 

 

[ganesh]

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

How every team in the NFL is capable of a 300 yard game except the Bills is what is mind boggling.

 

Rivers has made the playoffs countless times.  How about using Brady, Payton Manning, Drew Brees or Aaron Rogers instead?  Oh & Cam Newton made the SB after a lousy passing year too.  

Rivers and the Chargers have made the playoffs 6 out of the 16 years he has been a charger!!!!!...FACTS   

Rivers in the playoffs is  5-6  in 11 games....

Rivers has a 14-10  TD/INT ratio in the playoffs

Throwing for 300 yards means a squat

 

 

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

 

Do the Bills know something that the other 31 teams don't as they're the only team incapable of it & now going on 3 years!!!!

 

 

So how come the Bills aren't able to?  How did the Rams go from 32nd to 1st in one year????   

 

I take it as a defender of the process jumping from 29th to 24th is spectacular? 

 

Yes I expected a huge jump this year & that Allen would be given the opportunity to excel.....  Again I blame it on the coaching & play calling.

 

The Rams went from 32 to 1st by signing a LOT OF Free Agents at a VERY HEFTY Price and Draft Picks....It worked the 1st 2 years...Now they are IN a  DOWNWARD Spiral !!!

[Boatdrinks]

I’m certain the Bills are capable of throwing for 300 yards in a game. However, it’s clear they do not want to do the things necessary for that to happen in a game. Namely, pass the ball about 35 to 40 times. This reluctance may be due to personnel issues on the offense, which is still not completely rebuilt. They focused on the OL this past offseason, and got two starting caliber WRs as they had none. They’re scraping by with a rookie TE that caught few passes in college and lack a physical, big , matchup WR on the outside. Patience, grasshopper. I’d reckon a sizable chunk of their offseason and cap $$ will be spent adding weapons for Josh Allen. Meanwhile, this team in its current form is going to the playoffs. That’s entertaining by any standard. 

[prissythecat]

4 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

 Blah. Blah. 300.  blah  blah.   I’m a broken record.

 

 

There made your argument a lot more concise .

 

Amazing how facile your views on NFL offenses are.   You bring up the Rams as an example to be copied?   You do realize that their high flying  offense  from last season was predicated on heavy doses of Gurley running the ball to open things up  ?  It had little to do with having Goff try to air things out on his own.    Now that Gurley ‘s knees are shot, the Rams have sunk .

[Rc2catch]

I’ll bite. 
If we had a Kansas City trajectory of a top offense and mediocre to poor defense we would be a much more exciting team and definitely we would be higher on the national spotlight. However I am very in the “defense wins championships” category. 
Come playoff time the best teams play a complete game. You have to be able to run, make key throws and play solid defense. Sometimes we can do all 3. Some teams cannot. 
Unless you’re in a shootout the offensive juggernauts tend to bog down in the playoffs. When each possession counts a little more and more pressure is put on and you are guaranteed to get defenses A game it’s much harder to execute all these plays. 
I would like more offense from buffalo. 
But I wouldn’t want it at the expense of having some rag tag defense that allows most games to be a shootout. 
I like where we are. The offense has been pretty ugly and inconsistent but in my opinion that’s an advantage come playoff time. 
They have every chance to pull a bit of a rope a dope in the playoffs. How can teams game plan for an offense that nobody has a clue they can execute? There’s a lot of film on what the bills struggle against but let’s be honest we have beat it to death, couple key throws or plays here and there and we’re winning almost every game this year. 
Give me the A+ Bills defense we have seen most games this year and an offense that is nowhere near hitting their potential. Daboll is mind boggling at times but he’s also done a lot of good here. 
I do not know if he’s holding Allen back in his development, I’m not a professional only the guys inside the coaches rooms can say for sure. All I can say is the tape is there for the playoff defenses and for the bills offense to see. I cannot believe they are so dumb they don’t have ideas on how to fix this in the playoffs. 
And the conspiracy theorist in me would also like to believe they have intentionally slow played things a little bit specifically for this playoff run. We have complained for weeks how the playcalling and offense is being ran. This is not the offense we seen the first half of the season. Since Dallas when the playoffs were basically a lock the offense has backed off on a lot of what was successful and they’ve still hung in every game. I do believe there’s another gear tucked away to this thing based on some of what we seen in the preseason.