thebandit27 Posted December 26, 2019 Posted December 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Yep he has Miami's #.... Unfortunately the last three times coming from behind in the 4th failed (Cleveland, Baltimore & NE)..... And again I blame the coaching not Allen. I've brought up stats continually & blame the coaching as they have not allowed Allen to be unleashed & see exactly what they had. They had Peterman start last year..... Take a look at every QB drafted top 15 & almost all have been quickly given the opportunity to sink or swim. Deshawn Watson being a prime example. Lamar too is who he is because Baltimore configured an offense for him & his skill set. The offense is better but still 27th this year..... By the way 47 games into McD's tenure & not a 300 yard game...... Had to throw that in. The offense is 22nd in points per game
whorlnut Posted December 26, 2019 Posted December 26, 2019 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: No way. Mahomes was not a huge reach. He was a super talented kid that was viewed as needing a few technical refinements. He was a reach at 10. Show me one mock that had him that high.
Augie Posted December 26, 2019 Posted December 26, 2019 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I'm losing count of the number of times you have said this exact thing, over and over with no added insight or information. That's usually a sign of something. Let's see....my failing memory perhaps? No, no, I don't think that was it. Is “breakout games” code for “300 yard games”? . Edited December 26, 2019 by Augie 1
thebandit27 Posted December 26, 2019 Posted December 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, whorlnut said: He was a reach at 10. Show me one mock that had him that high. I don't know about mocks. I do know, however, that both NO and one other team were trying to get ahead to get ahead of Arizona at 13 to get him. Of course, I said he should go #1 overall, but what do I know? ?
Luka Posted December 26, 2019 Posted December 26, 2019 If Josh Allen was in a different offense he would be more successful, statistically speaking. Hopefully that happens in the offseason. I know people love to make excuses for Daboll but he just isn't good. What kind of modern NFL offense doesn't run screens? And they even got TJ Yeldon which made me think we were finally going to run screens. But no. I mean I hate to break it to you guys that are arguing about his completion percentage but a lot of these QBs with high completion percentages, they throw a lot of successful screens.
CorkScrewHill Posted December 26, 2019 Posted December 26, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Yep he has Miami's #.... Unfortunately the last three times coming from behind in the 4th failed (Cleveland, Baltimore & NE)..... And again I blame the coaching not Allen. I've brought up stats continually & blame the coaching as they have not allowed Allen to be unleashed & see exactly what they had. They had Peterman start last year..... Take a look at every QB drafted top 15 & almost all have been quickly given the opportunity to sink or swim. Deshawn Watson being a prime example. Lamar too is who he is because Baltimore configured an offense for him & his skill set. The offense is better but still 27th this year..... By the way 47 games into McD's tenure & not a 300 yard game...... Had to throw that in. But two play-off appearances .... had to throw that in Edited December 26, 2019 by CorkScrewHill
Billsfan1972 Posted December 26, 2019 Posted December 26, 2019 46 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: The offense is 22nd in points per game Sorry meant to add passing.... 27th in passing is not good by any measure.
Scott7975 Posted December 26, 2019 Posted December 26, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Sorry meant to add passing.... 27th in passing is not good by any measure. Josh is 20th in passing yards. Right behind Lamar who is only 43 yards better. Edited December 26, 2019 by Scott7975
Billsfan1972 Posted December 26, 2019 Posted December 26, 2019 31 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Josh is 20th in passing yards. Right behind Lamar who is only 43 yards better. However 27th in team passing, which is the proper measure. He is too 29th in yards/gm (ahead of only Case Keenum, Jacoby Brissett & Mason Rudolph!!!!!! Yep but more passing yards then Drew Brees, for which there is a simple explanation.. He has missed 1 quarter all year. You really aren't that stupid are you? Do you really want to go there? https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/index.htm https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player/_/table/passing/sort/passingYardsPerGame/dir/desc BTW Baltimore is 13-2 & Lamar truly could shut it down in many games as they were well ahead, while the Bills shut it down often of their own accord & then needed points in the fourth.
Teddy KGB Posted December 26, 2019 Posted December 26, 2019 29 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: BTW Baltimore is 13-2 & Lamar truly could shut it down in many games as they were well ahead, while the Bills shut it down often of their own accord & then needed points in the fourth. Baltimore blows people out. They don’t shut it down with a lead like McDermott/Dabs. How much longer are you gonna carry on ?
Billsfan1972 Posted December 26, 2019 Posted December 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said: Baltimore blows people out. They don’t shut it down with a lead like McDermott/Dabs. How much longer are you gonna carry on ? They don't throw a whole lot either. When will you realize that 29th in yards per game passing is terrible. . This is now 3 years running. The fact people here defend it is laughable. What if the Bills were 29th in Defense, can you imagine the uproar?
Teddy KGB Posted December 26, 2019 Posted December 26, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: They don't throw a whole lot either. When will you realize that 29th in yards per game passing is terrible. . This is now 3 years running. The fact people here defend it is laughable. What if the Bills were 29th in Defense, can you imagine the uproar? Lets whine about woulda, shoulda, could haves. While ignoring the whole winning and clinched playoffs thing ??♂️?? This is dumb. I don’t get it Edited December 26, 2019 by Teddy KGB 1
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 26, 2019 Posted December 26, 2019 3 hours ago, whorlnut said: He was a reach at 10. Show me one mock that had him that high. Who cares what a mock says? He is a reach because Mel Kiper says so? One of the best offensive coaches of his generation had a qb who takes them to the playoffs every year and traded up for him to let him develop for a year rather than take a player that could help him. That means a million more than what Mel Kiper or McShay thinks. it’s amazing how much people value their rankings and mocks. They are purely entertainment.
Billsfan1972 Posted December 26, 2019 Posted December 26, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said: Lets whine about woulda, shoulda, could haves. While ignoring the whole winning and clinched playoffs thing ??♂️?? This is dumb. I don’t get it Again ignore the facts and that he is 29th in passing. If I thought Allen was terrible then I'd be talking about the need to get rid of him and get better. The fact is I think he is the future and he is stunted by the coaching staff Think it cost them 2-3 wins too. Very simple question, are you okay that we are 29th in the league in passing yards per game (32nd last year)? Edited December 26, 2019 by Billsfan1972
Logic Posted December 26, 2019 Posted December 26, 2019 4 hours ago, Luka said: If Josh Allen was in a different offense he would be more successful, statistically speaking. Hopefully that happens in the offseason. I know people love to make excuses for Daboll but he just isn't good. What kind of modern NFL offense doesn't run screens? And they even got TJ Yeldon which made me think we were finally going to run screens. But no. I mean I hate to break it to you guys that are arguing about his completion percentage but a lot of these QBs with high completion percentages, they throw a lot of successful screens. This is an over-simplified and, in my opinion, incorrect take. The Bills DID try to run screens. They're TERRIBLE at them. Is the offensive coordinator to blame for that? Maybe, but also maybe not. The players still have to execute them, mind you, and they've been consistently unable to do so. The assumption that Allen would just automatically be better in a different offense is just that -- an assumption. If anything, Daboll has completely tailored the current Bills offense to the strengths of Josh Allen. He has given him great ownership over the scheme and has allowed him to tell Daboll what types of plays and formations he does and doesn't like, and Daboll then implements that feedback. So if you don't like this offense, Allen shoulders some of the blame, as well. It's just as likely that if Allen weren't in such a QB-friendly offense and were forced to adhere to a more stubborn coach, he'd be WORSE, not better. 1
Billsfan1972 Posted December 26, 2019 Posted December 26, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Logic said: This is an over-simplified and, in my opinion, incorrect take. The Bills DID try to run screens. They're TERRIBLE at them. Is the offensive coordinator to blame for that? Maybe, but also maybe not. The players still have to execute them, mind you, and they've been consistently unable to do so. The assumption that Allen would just automatically be better in a different offense is just that -- an assumption. If anything, Daboll has completely tailored the current Bills offense to the strengths of Josh Allen. He has given him great ownership over the scheme and has allowed him to tell Daboll what types of plays and formations he does and doesn't like, and Daboll then implements that feedback. So if you don't like this offense, Allen shoulders some of the blame, as well. It's just as likely that if Allen weren't in such a QB-friendly offense and were forced to adhere to a more stubborn coach, he'd be WORSE, not better. So if this brain trust is so smart according to you above post, then the Bills should be drafting a QB, becasue Allen has then been a failure as he has ranked at the bottom of the league in accuracy & yards/game two years running. Of course I completely disagree & think the coaching has stunted Allen, lost the Bills games & they are way behind in seeing what they have in him. Edited December 26, 2019 by Billsfan1972
Luka Posted December 26, 2019 Posted December 26, 2019 12 minutes ago, Logic said: This is an over-simplified and, in my opinion, incorrect take. The Bills DID try to run screens. They're TERRIBLE at them. Is the offensive coordinator to blame for that? Maybe, but also maybe not. The players still have to execute them, mind you, and they've been consistently unable to do so. The assumption that Allen would just automatically be better in a different offense is just that -- an assumption. If anything, Daboll has completely tailored the current Bills offense to the strengths of Josh Allen. He has given him great ownership over the scheme and has allowed him to tell Daboll what types of plays and formations he does and doesn't like, and Daboll then implements that feedback. So if you don't like this offense, Allen shoulders some of the blame, as well. It's just as likely that if Allen weren't in such a QB-friendly offense and were forced to adhere to a more stubborn coach, he'd be WORSE, not better. 3rd in throw aways, first in drop percentage, 3rd in total drops, 31st in pocket time at 2.3 seconds, 5th in blitzes faced, 9th in completed air yards but 25th in yards after catch... there are a lot of stats that point to the OC and supporting cast faltering around him. Poorly designed plays usually have a poor outcome. The Bills fan base also just assumed that we got new players, so his supporting cast must be better. That hasn't really panned out either. John Brown and Beasley are better, sure. But the rest of the group is just as bad as last year. Or is it that the offensive coordinator is the same, so the results are the same? Do you shitcan the entire roster again? Or do you maybe go hey, this coordinator who has never been successful at the NFL level? Maybe he's the issue and we should make a change. Hopefully it takes care of itself and someone stupidly hires him as a head coach or something. 1 1
Luka Posted December 26, 2019 Posted December 26, 2019 Just now, ScottLaw said: The offensive line has clearly been better.... however I'm not the biggest Daboll fan and had the conservative offensive philosophy as a whole.... I don't think it's a good thing to have one of the more complex offenses in the league. Correct, complex doesn't mean good. In fact, it usually means poor results. These are athletes, you don't want them thinking, you want them to play as fast as possible. 1
Scott7975 Posted December 26, 2019 Posted December 26, 2019 4 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: However 27th in team passing, which is the proper measure. He is too 29th in yards/gm (ahead of only Case Keenum, Jacoby Brissett & Mason Rudolph!!!!!! Yep but more passing yards then Drew Brees, for which there is a simple explanation.. He has missed 1 quarter all year. You really aren't that stupid are you? Do you really want to go there? https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/index.htm https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player/_/table/passing/sort/passingYardsPerGame/dir/desc BTW Baltimore is 13-2 & Lamar truly could shut it down in many games as they were well ahead, while the Bills shut it down often of their own accord & then needed points in the fourth. I cant say I watched a lot of Baltimore games but the ones I did watch, they didn't "shut it down." Baltimore is an efficient passing offense with a great running game (including QB.) They aren't a raw yardage explosion passing game like say KC is. Do you really have to bring in the "Stupid" comment. I have never insulted you. While I don't take this as an insult, it's obvious that's where you want to go with it. Buffalo is 10-5. Josh is doing well considering all the aspects.
Scott7975 Posted December 26, 2019 Posted December 26, 2019 52 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: The offensive line has clearly been better.... however I'm not the biggest Daboll fan and hate the conservative offensive philosophy as a whole.... I don't think it's a good thing to have one of the more complex offenses in the league. The oline is definitely better than last season. However, this oline has still been a turnstile. Better with Nsekhe, Ford blows his block all the time. The line is regularly pushed on top of Josh. There have been free runners quite a bit. TE's cant block for crap. They aren't athletic enough to even run a screen play.
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