Big Turk Posted December 23, 2019 Posted December 23, 2019 I don't get why these plays aren't used more often. They are so effective and almost always leave the player wide open to catch an easy TD. I mean I'd start branching out and using these plays on key short yardage situations also when we need a pivotal first down. Just have the big guy catch it and go down. Or even more interesting, have the big guy catch it with a speedster running behind the LOS from the other side of the formation and as he turns upfield they big guy pitches it to him in full stride.
klos63 Posted December 23, 2019 Posted December 23, 2019 Maybe they work because they aren't used as often. 9
NoSaint Posted December 23, 2019 Posted December 23, 2019 Just now, klos63 said: Maybe they work because they aren't used as often. Also they often don’t work. We just don’t see those high lights or remember the run of the mill walk back to the huddle 2
eSJayDee Posted December 23, 2019 Posted December 23, 2019 You may very well have an observational bias. You see when they work, and when they work, they appear to work extraordinarily well (provided the tackle doesn't drop it). You don't see how many times it's attempted & he's covered &/or the QB goes elsewhere (or gets sacked/runs).
row_33 Posted December 23, 2019 Posted December 23, 2019 actually when it's announced infrequently, it does seem to work most of the time i guess if defining it doesn't "work" when the eligible man isn't instrumental in the play, makes it risky?
Big Turk Posted December 23, 2019 Author Posted December 23, 2019 12 minutes ago, eSJayDee said: You may very well have an observational bias. You see when they work, and when they work, they appear to work extraordinarily well (provided the tackle doesn't drop it). You don't see how many times it's attempted & he's covered &/or the QB goes elsewhere (or gets sacked/runs). Perhaps, but wouldn't even having the threat of this being able to happen provide the offense with the potential to hit them with a power run? You are bringing extra linemen into the game, you could use it to your advantage and just run it at them. 1
msw2112 Posted December 23, 2019 Posted December 23, 2019 The reason it is effective is that it occurs so rarely - it is the element of surprise. If it was regularly run, there would no longer be the element of surprise. There's also the risk of failure (incompletion, sack, etc.) due to the tackle running a pass pattern and not being on the line to block. It was great to see the Bills run it to perfection on Saturday! Too bad they didn't have one more trick up their sleeve late in the game.
FriendlyFire Posted December 23, 2019 Posted December 23, 2019 (edited) Because tackles aren't as good at catching the football and it's a catch off guard matchup thing. Edited December 23, 2019 by FriendlyFire 1
MDH Posted December 23, 2019 Posted December 23, 2019 1 hour ago, NoSaint said: Also they often don’t work. We just don’t see those high lights or remember the run of the mill walk back to the huddle When they don’t work the ball is never thrown. The QB isn’t throwing the ball unless the OL is WIDE open. 1
WhoTom Posted December 23, 2019 Posted December 23, 2019 If tackles could catch consistently, they'd be converted to tight-ends. 1
Scott7975 Posted December 23, 2019 Posted December 23, 2019 They almost always work because they are almost always never used. It's the act of the defense not paying attention that it works. I can guarantee you that Belichicks will be making sure his defense pays attention to that from now on. May still work, but they will still pay attention. It was pretty cool that it worked against them considering its usually the Pats that come up with that kind of thing.
Jerome007 Posted December 23, 2019 Posted December 23, 2019 1 hour ago, MDH said: When they don’t work the ball is never thrown. The QB isn’t throwing the ball unless the OL is WIDE open. Indeed. It seems when the ball is thrown, they are indeed wide open. It really does seem to work more often than not. What made it better with the Bills., it's that it was Dawkins, the starting LT. Often times it's the added lineman.
row_33 Posted December 23, 2019 Posted December 23, 2019 whom do you have in mind on the Bills O-line to make this vital catch?
Cruiserplayer Posted December 23, 2019 Posted December 23, 2019 Daboll used it because It’s one of the few 5 second plays available.
Jerome007 Posted December 23, 2019 Posted December 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Cruiserplayer said: Daboll used it because It’s one of the few 5 second plays available. It wend under the radar but they could have run 3 plays in those 10 seconds. Impressive to me.
Pokebball Posted December 23, 2019 Posted December 23, 2019 What does the tackle do with it after he catches it...unless he's in the end zone
Cruiserplayer Posted December 23, 2019 Posted December 23, 2019 51 minutes ago, Jerome007 said: It wend under the radar but they could have run 3 plays in those 10 seconds. Impressive to me. Just because you say something is true doesn’t make it true. 6 seconds at the snap. 1 second left when he catches: 1
HardyBoy Posted December 24, 2019 Posted December 24, 2019 4 hours ago, row_33 said: actually when it's announced infrequently, it does seem to work most of the time i guess if defining it doesn't "work" when the eligible man isn't instrumental in the play, makes it risky? They rarely play the announcement on tv...live the tackle declares eligible a whole lot, it's just that it happens early in the play clock and the broadcast doesn't play it because the announcers are talking. Also, it means you can't have another player lined up on the line of scrimmage on that side of the field, and you can only have a certain number of players in the backfield or one one side of the field. I have ti imagine it limits formations a lot and forces you to be a lot more predictable coming out of the huddle.
without a drought Posted December 24, 2019 Posted December 24, 2019 6 hours ago, WhoTom said: If tackles could catch consistently, they'd be converted to tight-ends. Jason Peters disagrees.
row_33 Posted December 24, 2019 Posted December 24, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, HardyBoy said: They rarely play the announcement on tv...live the tackle declares eligible a whole lot, it's just that it happens early in the play clock and the broadcast doesn't play it because the announcers are talking. Also, it means you can't have another player lined up on the line of scrimmage on that side of the field, and you can only have a certain number of players in the backfield or one one side of the field. I have ti imagine it limits formations a lot and forces you to be a lot more predictable coming out of the huddle. An on field official, probably the referee, announces the man is eligible before the play starts, you have the game on mute usually? i know what it means.... Edited December 24, 2019 by row_33
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