Boca BIlls Posted December 23, 2019 Posted December 23, 2019 1 hour ago, NoswayJose said: Do y'all understand that where the ball is on the ground before refs touch it has no bearing on where the ball is spotted? Both Refs had different spots, but the line judges near the top of the pic was where the ball was ultimately placed Edit to add that this happens a lot in close yardage games and is wishful thinking in general It did though...
bgamet77 Posted December 23, 2019 Posted December 23, 2019 Noseway Jose, that is 100% false. The ref changes his course after the player moves the ball. Typical BS
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 23, 2019 Posted December 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Augie said: That is INSANE! There should be some fines/penalties for that, and I don’t just mean the player. The refs should be embarrassed AND punished! ...line 'em up....agree Augie......can make some head cheese...........
Pokebball Posted December 23, 2019 Author Posted December 23, 2019 1 hour ago, NoswayJose said: Do y'all understand that where the ball is on the ground before refs touch it has no bearing on where the ball is spotted? Both Refs had different spots, but the line judges near the top of the pic was where the ball was ultimately placed Edit to add that this happens a lot in close yardage games and is wishful thinking in general Yeah, I think we all do. In the heat of a run, blocks and tackles, players are always fighting for those extra inches. I get that too. This was after all of the players walked away, then a Pat lineman leans down and moves the ball. That's hilarious.
NoswayJose Posted December 23, 2019 Posted December 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, Pokebball said: Yeah, I think we all do. In the heat of a run, blocks and tackles, players are always fighting for those extra inches. I get that too. This was after all of the players walked away, then a Pat lineman leans down and moves the ball. That's hilarious. Funny yeah, but people reacting like six inches on one play decided the game when the defense couldn't get off the field and half of Josh's pass yards were gained on two plays ?♂️
Xwnyer Posted December 23, 2019 Posted December 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said: Goes to show how stupid this sport actually is. my wife always asks me why I watch I know its fixed for the cheaters
Watkins101 Posted December 23, 2019 Posted December 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I would really like to see the whole football ball placement thing come out of the stone age and join the age of modern geospatial technology. I mean, I grant that the refs are trained to spot where the ball is down. But sometimes they simply can't see where the ball is when the player is down. So they must make an educated guess. Then they bring out these sticks and chains. Just as going to VOIP on a dedicated frequency should have removed the whole "Pats Radio Broadcast on Mike Tomlin's Helmet" thing, having a position sensor in the ball (or possibly 2) and sensors at the goal line should be able to just take the whole ball position inaccuracy and skullduggery out of the equation. We could stop challenging the spot of the ball, unless in the case of a positional malfunction. It should be totally feasible. The NFL piloted putting positional sensors in balls a couple years back and then dropped it (unless they quietly still have 'em and that's where the passing charts in NFL Nextgen Stats come from in which case WHY are we dealing with this stone-age stuff?) The issue with that would be determining exactly when the player is down.
Pokebball Posted December 23, 2019 Author Posted December 23, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, NoswayJose said: Funny yeah, but people reacting like six inches on one play decided the game when the defense couldn't get off the field and half of Josh's pass yards were gained on two plays ?♂️ I think you're taking this thread too seriously. I am impressed of your ability to crowbar JA into this thread. Edited December 23, 2019 by Pokebball
Rochesterfan Posted December 23, 2019 Posted December 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I would really like to see the whole football ball placement thing come out of the stone age and join the age of modern geospatial technology. I mean, I grant that the refs are trained to spot where the ball is down. But sometimes they simply can't see where the ball is when the player is down. So they must make an educated guess. Then they bring out these sticks and chains. Just as going to VOIP on a dedicated frequency should have removed the whole "Pats Radio Broadcast on Mike Tomlin's Helmet" thing, having a position sensor in the ball (or possibly 2) and sensors at the goal line should be able to just take the whole ball position inaccuracy and skullduggery out of the equation. We could stop challenging the spot of the ball, unless in the case of a positional malfunction. It should be totally feasible. The NFL piloted putting positional sensors in balls a couple years back and then dropped it (unless they quietly still have 'em and that's where the passing charts in NFL Nextgen Stats come from in which case WHY are we dealing with this stone-age stuff?) It would be a good idea, but the refs still have to determine the exact moment the runner is down. You also have issues depending upon which way the ball is being held and where the sensors are located. It could help a small bit, but unless you have sensors all over the players and the ball - you are still going to get bad spots.
ChasBB Posted December 24, 2019 Posted December 24, 2019 I also noticed the Patriots' center move the ball forward at least a good foot or a foot-and-a-half pre-snap. I mean, you see centers do this all the time, but it's usually just a few inches or so. This could have the effect of backing defenders up by a foot fearing an encroachment penalty even though it was the center who created the new line-of-scrimmage with the ridiculous moving of the ball by 12 inches - crazy. I don't recall what time during the game I noticed this, but it was super clear on at least that one down. 1
Bing Bong Posted December 25, 2019 Posted December 25, 2019 That's actually pretty funny. I can't knock em for it if no one is doing anything about it lol
3rdand12 Posted December 25, 2019 Posted December 25, 2019 On 12/23/2019 at 12:44 PM, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Enough with the fines. Time for executions. as long as they are similar to how Witches were once disposed of.and for public viewing at the Town's center, Burning floggings tar and feather ending with a proper "see if he floats" trial. just impressive at the lengths they will go to. and what is acceptable behaviour from Refs via Krafty World. Bellicheatsky certainly is one for attention to detail in these matters 12 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: That's actually pretty funny. I can't knock em for it if no one is doing anything about it lol yep they are a f'n riot
RobbRiddick Posted December 25, 2019 Posted December 25, 2019 I haven't seen such slight of hand ball work since Robert Kraft visited May Ling in the spring of 2019 1 1
NoSaint Posted December 25, 2019 Posted December 25, 2019 On 12/23/2019 at 12:03 PM, Pokebball said: Player shouldn't be adjusting the ball placement, no matter. That's the way I see it anyways. unless the ball hadn’t been actually spotted. In which case whatever.
Pokebball Posted December 25, 2019 Author Posted December 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, NoSaint said: unless the ball hadn’t been actually spotted. In which case whatever. It was still funny
row_33 Posted December 25, 2019 Posted December 25, 2019 1 hour ago, NoSaint said: unless the ball hadn’t been actually spotted. In which case whatever. clearly it wasn’t spotted correctly, those on the field knew where it was to be placed
Ga boy Posted December 25, 2019 Posted December 25, 2019 On 12/23/2019 at 12:57 PM, Pokebball said: It's a game of inches, right? That’s why we lost ...
Estro Posted December 25, 2019 Posted December 25, 2019 I also noticed on one of Tom Bradys QB sneaks vs us......the center as he approached the line took the ball and moved it up a good 2 feet prior to the snap. He snapped the ball a full foot or 2 forward from where it was spotted. You better believe all these things are being taught too....1 of these advantages alone doesn't give you a huge edge, but when you add up all the capers they pull off on game day you get a big edge
row_33 Posted December 25, 2019 Posted December 25, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Estro said: I also noticed on one of Tom Bradys QB sneaks vs us......the center as he approached the line took the ball and moved it up a good 2 feet prior to the snap. He snapped the ball a full foot or 2 forward from where it was spotted. You better believe all these things are being taught too....1 of these advantages alone doesn't give you a huge edge, but when you add up all the capers they pull off on game day you get a big edge two feet? My goodness....that would put the ball a foot past the hands of the D... LOL!!!! he adjusted the ball so the laces were on the preferred side if you don’t know how football is played, please sit back and keep it to yourself... Edited December 25, 2019 by row_33
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