OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said: There is just no sugar coating this loss. It is squarely on the coaches. McD and Frazier have been so good the last month. But they choked and coached scared yesterday. Maybe they thought our front four could bring enough pressure. Even if they did, by the second quarter it was obvious to everyone it wasn't working. Teams have beaten the Patriots by bringing pressure. Tom and that WR group are not to be feared. What is sad, is McD preaches learning from the past and getting better. He and Frazier are not when they face the most critical moments. This is entirely correctable. Edmunds was awful yesterday. I watched him almost exclusively on defense as the game wore on. Most of the run damage was straight at him. Again the issue was recognition and angle to the ball. On the big screen play in the second half he is 8 yards down field trying to engage the linemen when he could have easily split between them and made a play on the runner. Awful instincts. Only two years and only 21 has been the excuse, but I'm starting to doubt he will ever be the star MLB he was drafted to be. And on to Daboll. He should be forced to watch the Patriots gameplan. Short passes and throwing to the running backs. Why is this such a hard concept? Or maybe he should be forced to watch SB XXV and see how Thurman almost beat Belichick single handed. Bills have Singletary (they should be using Yeldon too) and Beasley to do exaclty what Patriots did to them. Keep Hightower on the field by formation and then make him drop in coverage. I have no issue with the amount of run plays. A little more play action on first down would be nice. Josh did him no favors missing a few easy throws early but Daboll could have been better But rejoice, this is all fixable. They can get back to the fearless mode they played the last month. And a playoff win on the road is still possible. ...where I stopped reading.....his prior effective blitz packages disappeared...........
BurpleBull Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 12 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: How can you not gameplan better when you cheat and spy? I have thought the same thing since day 1. I love the kid but I don’t love him as a MLB to me he is an OLB. Edmunds doesn’t put a lick on anyone and has a hard time getting his pads low. Kevin Johnson is another LOUSY tackler. He may be one of the weakest/softest corners I have ever seen play the game. I do wish he was a more forceful tackler, but I also worry that his value at LB could take a hit if moved outside. He definitely affects the middle of the field versus the pass and he is decent to good against the run right now, so I'd hold off on a move switch at this stage. I'm hopeful that he'll gain more consistency and assertiveness against the run as time goes by.
billsfan_34 Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 1 minute ago, BurpleBull said: I do wish he was a more forceful tackler, but I also worry that his value at LB could take a hit if moved outside. He definitely affects the middle of the field versus the pass and he is decent to good against the run right now, so I'd hold off on a move switch at this stage. I'm hopeful that he'll gain more consistency and assertiveness against the run as time goes by. We forget he is young and he does really good taking space away in the passing game. Right now he isn’t doing well in run support up the gut and that is where you can really lose games. Time will tell what the Bills do. 1
BuffaloBill963 Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Socal-805 said: I also started watching Edmunds exclusively in the 1st quarter - however was afraid to post anything as to get flamed. He was almost always going the wrong way, moving away from the RB on his own and ending up out of the play entirely. And then sometimes he was blocked and couldn't do anything. Maybe he's not a MLB? Maybe you guys don’t know his specific assignments on every play? 1
John in Jax Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 Whoa now, you're gonna get a lot of panties up in a wad, especially the group that thinks McD and Beane are the second coming of Cowher and Rooney! LOL Dontcha know that everything is butterflies & rainbows, and "the process" is working beautifully? 1
Apocalypse Nuts Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 I'm no expert but I really felt the overall game plan was fairly vanilla on both sides of the ball. We saw a few interesting ones, but I didn't get the sense that the coaches brought out anything really new for offense or defense. The poor tackling on D seemed to demonstrate this IMO. Could it possibly be, just maybe, that they didn't want to show anything new up their sleeve for a game that largely meant nothing come playoff time? Nah! That means our coaches would have to be smart and know things that we may not be able to see with out untrained eyes. And that, as we all know, is impossible. 1
Agent 91 Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Socal-805 said: I also started watching Edmunds exclusively in the 1st quarter - however was afraid to post anything as to get flamed. He was almost always going the wrong way, moving away from the RB on his own and ending up out of the play entirely. And then sometimes he was blocked and couldn't do anything. Maybe he's not a MLB? Definitely not an MLB which is fine. Alexander is gone soon. Edmunds can not disengage blocks. Go back and watch the eagles games. Most of Howard's runs were right up his gap. It's frustrating. He is athletic but needs to not be in the muck 2
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 54 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: One part if me slightly agrees with the post about throwing the game. I dont think we threw the game per say but I do think we played very vanilla in case we meet them again in playoffs. absolutely. It is likely we WILL see them again, why give away our best plays for a game that literally does not matter? one other thing about the game: no one got hurt. I wanted to win but was very afraid we would play "fearless" and lose JA or Motor or pick you offensive lineman for the postseason. All in all it was a great and exciting game that had no importance in the big picture, we didn't give away our cards, and no one got hurt. Im pretty happy with that!
stevestojan Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 We’re going to the playoffs. The dolphins SUCK. (They’re winning today because their playing the JV team from Frontier). The Pats aren’t losing to them. can we just enjoy this for god sakes? 1 2
NewEra Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said: There is just no sugar coating this loss. It is squarely on the coaches. McD and Frazier have been so good the last month. But they choked and coached scared yesterday. Maybe they thought our front four could bring enough pressure. Even if they did, by the second quarter it was obvious to everyone it wasn't working. Teams have beaten the Patriots by bringing pressure. Tom and that WR group are not to be feared. What is sad, is McD preaches learning from the past and getting better. He and Frazier are not when they face the most critical moments. This is entirely correctable. Edmunds was awful yesterday. I watched him almost exclusively on defense as the game wore on. Most of the run damage was straight at him. Again the issue was recognition and angle to the ball. On the big screen play in the second half he is 8 yards down field trying to engage the linemen when he could have easily split between them and made a play on the runner. Awful instincts. Only two years and only 21 has been the excuse, but I'm starting to doubt he will ever be the star MLB he was drafted to be. And on to Daboll. He should be forced to watch the Patriots gameplan. Short passes and throwing to the running backs. Why is this such a hard concept? Or maybe he should be forced to watch SB XXV and see how Thurman almost beat Belichick single handed. Bills have Singletary (they should be using Yeldon too) and Beasley to do exaclty what Patriots did to them. Keep Hightower on the field by formation and then make him drop in coverage. I have no issue with the amount of run plays. A little more play action on first down would be nice. Josh did him no favors missing a few easy throws early but Daboll could have been better But rejoice, this is all fixable. They can get back to the fearless mode they played the last month. And a playoff win on the road is still possible. Heeeeeeeere we go again. Pinning the loss on one aspect of an entire team. No matter how you spin it.....you’re wrong Ethan. Again. the loss is partially on the coaches. Just as it is on JA for missing open TD throws. just as it is on the pass defense for allowing Brady his best game in several weeks. just as it is on the run d for allowing the pats to gash us running the ball. just as it is on the referees for continuing to help the patriots score points and keeping us from doing so. just as it is on the patriots for playing a solid game and being well coached. 1 1
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 NFL fans, coaches and analysts: holy cow that Edmunds is amazing. Let’s make him first alternate for the pro bowl. Ethan from Portland: Edmunds isn’t even good enough to play MLB!!! I don’t know, maybe you’re a little over emotional here? Just throwing it out there. 4 1
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 20 minutes ago, stevestojan said: We’re going to the playoffs. The dolphins SUCK. (They’re winning today because their playing the JV team from Frontier). The Pats aren’t losing to them. can we just enjoy this for god sakes? some people miss the misery of another lost season.
stevestojan Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS said: some people miss the misery of another lost season. honest to god can’t tell if you’re agreeing with me or not. ?
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: There is just no sugar coating this loss. It is squarely on the coaches. McD and Frazier have been so good the last month. But they choked and coached scared yesterday. Maybe they thought our front four could bring enough pressure. Even if they did, by the second quarter it was obvious to everyone it wasn't working. Teams have beaten the Patriots by bringing pressure. Tom and that WR group are not to be feared. What is sad, is McD preaches learning from the past and getting better. He and Frazier are not when they face the most critical moments. This is entirely correctable. Edmunds was awful yesterday. I watched him almost exclusively on defense as the game wore on. Most of the run damage was straight at him. Again the issue was recognition and angle to the ball. On the big screen play in the second half he is 8 yards down field trying to engage the linemen when he could have easily split between them and made a play on the runner. Awful instincts. Only two years and only 21 has been the excuse, but I'm starting to doubt he will ever be the star MLB he was drafted to be. And on to Daboll. He should be forced to watch the Patriots gameplan. Short passes and throwing to the running backs. Why is this such a hard concept? Or maybe he should be forced to watch SB XXV and see how Thurman almost beat Belichick single handed. Bills have Singletary (they should be using Yeldon too) and Beasley to do exaclty what Patriots did to them. Keep Hightower on the field by formation and then make him drop in coverage. I have no issue with the amount of run plays. A little more play action on first down would be nice. Josh did him no favors missing a few easy throws early but Daboll could have been better But rejoice, this is all fixable. They can get back to the fearless mode they played the last month. And a playoff win on the road is still possible. RB’s like Thurman are rare. He just played in a era with so many talented RB’s. Thurman would carry his team on his back when they needed him to. The Talented players on those 90’s Bills teams were elite players. Knox, Smoke and Beasley are keepers but we still need our Reed and Thomas which are the two biggest pieces.
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 21 minutes ago, stevestojan said: honest to god can’t tell if you’re agreeing with me or not. ? Just trying to answer the question … but will take any excuse to google images Lizzy Hale
RocCityRoller Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Socal-805 said: I also started watching Edmunds exclusively in the 1st quarter - however was afraid to post anything as to get flamed. He was almost always going the wrong way, moving away from the RB on his own and ending up out of the play entirely. And then sometimes he was blocked and couldn't do anything. Maybe he's not a MLB? Don't fear, you are not alone. I've been alone on this cart alone with my Sunday crew for about a year. Edmunds calls a good defense, I give him that. His instincts and angles leave a lot to be desired most of the time. He gets swallowed up in the muck too often. Anyone who watches him directly on defense sees it all the time. He is not the impact LB you draft in the first round. When you draft a LB that high you should land a TJ Watt, Darius Leonard or Bud Dupree. Van Der Esch is a better MLB. Edmunds isn't even in that conversation. He and Rashaan Evans are stuck in overdrafted status. This team lacks an impact LB. With Lorax approaching 37, and Edmunds and Milano showing their limits, an impact LB in the first or second is ok with me. I see team needs as #1WR, Impact LB, DE as highest. RT, Pulling style guard and RB#1 as next. Some of this can be fixed in FA (OG/ DE/ RT?). WR, LB and RB should be drafted.
Teddy KGB Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 1 hour ago, John in Jax said: Whoa now, you're gonna get a lot of panties up in a wad, especially the group that thinks McD and Beane are the second coming of Cowher and Rooney! LOL Dontcha know that everything is butterflies & rainbows, and "the process" is working beautifully? ^^^ hates being 10-5 ??? 1 3
GoBills808 Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 Edmunds is fine. Milano was a bigger problem yesterday 1
Solomon Grundy Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 2 hours ago, billsfan1959 said: Up to this point, what I have gathered from the posts today: 1) Allen sucks 2) The Oline sucks 3) Allen sucks 4) Edmunds sucks 5) Allen sucks 6) The coaching sucks 7) Allen sucks 8.) The run defense sucks 9) The run game sucks 10) The receiving sucks and 11) Allen sucks Did I miss anything? Kind of wondering how we made the playoffs... Let me add, Milano sucked and Star sucked 1
Jerome007 Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 Edmunds is fast, covers passes pretty damn good for a MLB, and has shown to be surprisingly very good at blitzing. - which the coaches didn't send him once yesterday... But he is a liability against the run, no sugar coating it. Milano had a bad game too yesterday but he's human, and at this right spot. I too feel Edmunds might be better at OLB than MLB. For the coaching, I still don't understand why they went so vanilla. Sure you don't show all your cards, but come on now. 1
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