Armchair QB Whisperers beware! Pros see Allen differently.

[ComradeKayAdams]

Rex Ryan is on record as saying Josh Allen is going to be an NFL superstar. So it looks like the Bills will be looking for a new QB this offseason.?

[Chaos]

11 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I really dont see what the shame is in admitting Allen struggled this game.  MOST qbs do?

 

Lets not act like the bills have an all start team around Allen.  We have Brown, Bease, and a collection of Jags at WR.....we didnt even bother to spell Singletary with Gore in this game.....and our starting TE in Knox is very young.

 

It is my hope that we make a hard court press of improving the offensive talent of  this team in the offseason....guys that actually make plays when they get the ball.

Playing less than perfect is not "struggling".  They have ways of measuring performance.  Allens 103 Passer Rating yesterday plus 43 yards rushing is not struggling.   So there is nothing to admit to, other than he was not perfect.  Why can't you admit that a 103 passer rating, no turnovers, and 43 yards rushing out of your QB ought to be enough a solid performance and should not be looked at as the primary reason a team lost. Would another 150 yards passing along with 2 Ints make you happier. 

No QB in the league is regularly asked to be a bigger part of the offense than Josh Allen.  He has a mediocre to poor line, and no skill players who would be #1 players at their position on the majority of NFL teams.    People seem to constantly compare current bills players to past bills players.   But the fact that John Brown is better than Kelvin Benjamin, does not not make him better than Michael Thomas.  Devin Singletary is better than Frank Gore, and better than 2018 LeSean McCoy, but he is not a top NFL Running back.   

This lack of talent on offense allows teams to tee-off on Allen far more effectively than they can against most teams.  

Edited December 23, 2019 by Chaos

[oldmanfan]

7 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Playing less than perfect is not "struggling".  They have ways of measuring performance.  Allens 103 Passer Rating yesterday plus 43 yards rushing is not struggling.   So there is nothing.  Why can't you admit that a 103 passer rating, no turnovers, and 43 yards rushing out of your QB ought to be enough a solid performance and should not be looked at as the primary reason a team lost. Would another 150 yards passing along with 2 Ints make you happier. 

No QB in the league is regularly asked to be a bigger part of the offense than Josh Allen.  He has a mediocre to poor line, and no skill players who would be #1 players at their position on the majority of NFL teams.    People seem to constantly compare current bills players to past bills players.   But the fact that John Brown is better than Kelvin Benjamin, does not not make him better than Michael Thomas.  Devin Singletary is better than Frank Gore, and better than 2018 LeSean McCoy, but he is not a top NFL Running back.   

This lack of talent on offense allows teams to tee-off on Allen far more effectively than they can against most teams.  

Yep.  All that.  Plus Josh could have certainly played better in the first half.  it is perfectly OK to think that the kid will be our QB for the next decade or so as I do, plus be able to objectively say he could have played better Saturday.  Not just that he missed a couple passes (and not the ones to Know; those were difficult throws), but that Belichick did to him what he does to young QBs;  confused him.  Josh needs to continue to improve on reads, especially pre-snap, so he can get the ball out quicker.  He's done that better in many games this year, but those teams don't have Belichick calling defenses.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

17 hours ago, TwistofFate said:

No its not.   3 quarters of less then inspired play, followed by a magic 4th quarter week in and out is pretty much what it is. 

 

 

A feature of scoring in the 2rd and 4th Q is that sometimes the drives start in the previous Q

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

We have ten wins this season and possibly 11. Been in every game and have turned the corner in year 3. We are set up for sustainable future success. It’s been such a fun season to enjoy for a change from the past 20 years.
 

The only negativity has come from this board about our second year quarterback week in and week out.  Our qb has 27 Total td to 9 ints. He is on the path to have a lot of success in this league. 
 

Most of us objective fans have no problem criticizing 

when warranted and we will. But again we realize this is year 2 and expect to see even more improvement next year.

 

 

It sucks some of you haven’t been able to enjoy this season and only come to chat when we lose, never hear a peep during a win..

 

 

Edited December 23, 2019 by loveorhatembillsfan4life

[Chaos]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

A feature of scoring in the 3rd and 4th Q is that sometimes the drives start in the previous Q

I think you mean second and fourth Q. Hard to extend drives from the second to third Q. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Chaos said:

I think you mean second and fourth Q. Hard to extend drives from the second to third Q. 

 

Thank you, Yes I do.  Fixed.

[BringBackOrton]

20 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Playing less than perfect is not "struggling".  They have ways of measuring performance.  Allens 103 Passer Rating yesterday plus 43 yards rushing is not struggling.   So there is nothing.  Why can't you admit that a 103 passer rating, no turnovers, and 43 yards rushing out of your QB ought to be enough a solid performance and should not be looked at as the primary reason a team lost. Would another 150 yards passing along with 2 Ints make you happier. 

No QB in the league is regularly asked to be a bigger part of the offense than Josh Allen.  He has a mediocre to poor line, and no skill players who would be #1 players at their position on the majority of NFL teams.    People seem to constantly compare current bills players to past bills players.   But the fact that John Brown is better than Kelvin Benjamin, does not not make him better than Michael Thomas.  Devin Singletary is better than Frank Gore, and better than 2018 LeSean McCoy, but he is not a top NFL Running back.   

This lack of talent on offense allows teams to tee-off on Allen far more effectively than they can against most teams.  

I mean this post is just sooooo hyperbolic. 

No QB is asked to do more? I guess Fitz, Rosen, Carr, Darnold, Murray have teams oozing with talent? 

 

Mediocre to poor line??

 

Allen benefits from the #2 defense in the NFL. That is a benefit that 30 NFL teams don’t have right there.

 

Kinda bananas to be honest.

[Chaos]

2 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

I mean this post is just sooooo hyperbolic. 

No QB is asked to do more? I guess Fitz, Rosen, Carr (better weapons than the bills), Darnold (levoen Bell better than any bills play makers() , Murray have teams oozing with talent?   Idiotic comment.  - None of them are winning games at a high rate. All having far less sucess than Allen.   The only QB asked to do more than Allen is Lamar Alexander.

 

Mediocre to poor line?? One of the worst rushing attacks in the NFL.  Yesterday the offense gained 49 yards on the ground, without Allen. Putrid.  This puts incredible pressure on Allen.  Daboll must assume teams know we are not running, because he almost completely ignores play action. 

 

Allen benefits from the #2 defense in the NFL. That is a benefit that 30 NFL teams don’t have right there. 

 

Kinda bananas to be honest. Yes you are completely bananas, to be honest. 

 

[thebandit27]

7 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

I mean this post is just sooooo hyperbolic. 

No QB is asked to do more? I guess Fitz, Rosen, Carr, Darnold, Murray have teams oozing with talent? 

 

Mediocre to poor line??

 

Allen benefits from the #2 defense in the NFL. That is a benefit that 30 NFL teams don’t have right there.

 

Kinda bananas to be honest.

 

In how many games has the defense provided points?

 

Serious question, since you seem to be implying that the defense is why this team wins.

[Chaos]

10 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

 

He's scored 29 of the team's 35 TDs this season.

 

He's a HUGE reason why.

Don't confuse the other posters narrative with your silly facts. Narrative trumps facts.  We all have to just accept that. 

[BringBackOrton]

11 minutes ago, Chaos said:

 

Fitz has better weapons that the Bills? Murray has better weapons?

 

Leveon Bell is having the worst year of his career and averaging 3.3 YPC on the season. Devin Singletary has more rushing yards, started 6 less games and played in 2 less on the year.

 

Our OL is above average in pass pro. We are 6th in the NFL in rushing yards.

 

Yes none of them are winning a lot. None of them have a great defense or the great “weapons” either. Doesn’t that mean they are asked to do MORE?

 

You must not watch a lot of the NFL.

 

 

11 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

In how many games has the defense provided points?

 

Serious question, since you seem to be implying that the defense is why this team wins.

Is it easier to produce 17 points on offense or 32 points on offense? 

 

Serious question.

Edited December 23, 2019 by BringBackOrton

[BringBackOrton]

6 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Don't confuse the other posters narrative with your silly facts. Narrative trumps facts.  We all have to just accept that. 

Incredible post after calling the Bills being 6th in rushing yards one of the worst rushing attacks in the NFL. You know that if you just say incredibly wrong things, they don’t become true, right?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Incredible post after calling the Bills being 6th in rushing yards one of the worst rushing attacks in the NFL. You know that if you just say incredibly wrong things, they don’t become true, right?

 

The above is correct.  But somewhat ironic here.

11 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Is it easier to produce 17 points on offense or 32 points on offense? 

Serious question.

 

What defense are you facing when you try to produce them - one that averages 12-13 ppg?

Or one that averages giving up 26 ppg?

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Sal C. tweeted something about team awards, when I think about this it really becomes pretty obvious who the offensive MVP is of this 10 win team.

[thebandit27]

13 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Fitz has better weapons that the Bills? Murray has better weapons?

 

Leveon Bell is having the worst year of his career and averaging 3.3 YPC on the season. Devin Singletary has more rushing yards, started 6 less games and played in 2 less on the year.

 

Our OL is above average in pass pro. We are 6th in the NFL in rushing yards.

 

Yes none of them are winning a lot. None of them have a great defense or the great “weapons” either. Doesn’t that mean they are asked to do MORE?

 

You must not watch a lot of the NFL.

 

 

Is it easier to produce 17 points on offense or 32 points on offense? 

 

Serious question.

 

That's a complete and total non-sequitur. My point was clear. "It's all defense" is an argument that simply can't be supported.

[BringBackOrton]

7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The above is correct.  But somewhat ironic here.

 

What defense are you facing when you try to produce them - one that averages 12-13 ppg?

Or one that averages giving up 26 ppg?

It’s not ironic, because if I’m ever wrong it’s a typo or a brain fart, never a mistake borne of complete ignorance of the Bills or the NFL in general. I dunked on that dude like Dominique Wilkins. Time to kiss the ring!

 

Over the course of a year, they play a mix of different opponents. One QB’s defense allows 31 ppg on average. The others’ allows 16 ppg  on average. Which teams’ offense (including QB) is under more pressure to perform to produce wins?

1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

 

That's a complete and total non-sequitur. My point was clear. "It's all defense" is an argument that simply can't be supported.

I can’t remember saying “it’s all defense”, but do feel free to point me to the post.

Edited December 23, 2019 by BringBackOrton

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

To go a bit further I criticize Josh on the throws to Knox in the end zone. Going forward he needs to continue to work on nailing this down. 
 

Actually just to make you all happy I’m not going to get bent out shape about missing a seven yard pass anymore. I’ll scream but move on. I’m not going to start a new thread and call for a new quarterback change every time he misses a short one. I will gladly accept those misses.  Because as long as we are in the game we have a chance. He showed me so much with two throws this past game that defenses have to absolutely respect. He chucked it 50 yards on a dime with a flick of a wrist. That’s playmaker ability. 
 

So in the spirit of Christmas, If you are truly unhappy and have an infatuation with Lamar or Mahomes or Kyle Allen, Brandon Allen, Duck please go and follow them. Many of you propped them up big time this season. 

 

If you want to stick on board , please do. Josh will be here for two more years at least and so will I. 

 

 

[BringBackOrton]

4 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Sal C. tweeted something about team awards, when I think about this it really becomes pretty obvious who the offensive MVP is of this 10 win team.

McD/Leslie Frazier get my vote for team MVP.

 

Offensive is Josh no question.

Edited December 23, 2019 by BringBackOrton

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 hours ago, BringBackOrton said:

I actually wasn’t wrong on his stats. He really was 3/9 prior to that last drive. You can check the game log.

 

You were saying he was 3/9 IN THE 1Q.  A Q in which he threw 3 passes.

You can check your posts.

 

As far as the strategy of arbitrarily excluding the best drive of the half then claiming he's horrible, C'mon man.  

It would be just as silly to exclude one :27 s. drive vs. the Eagles where Josh fumbled deep in our territory and say "other than that, Josh played well enough to keep the Bills well in the game at 3-7".    That stuff is just silly.  Look at the quarter.  Look at the half.  Don't pick and choose.