How confident are you that Josh Allen will be our starter for the next 3 years+

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

50%
    I hope he can learn to hit those over the top passes. I’m not sure he ever will. 
    On the other hand, this Offense in general isn’t very good so I can’t tell. If he had an offense built around him that had lots of quick, straight line passes and a good running game he might be a world beater.

 

... He hit two this game and one last week.

[Teddy KGB]

1 hour ago, GreggTX said:

Josh clearly has a long way to go in numerous areas of his game. I'll say this much. He has gotten far more forgiveness from Bills fans than any player in franchise history and it's not even close. It seems to make no difference whether he plays well or not. Everyone sings his praises regardless. Honestly, I've seen nothing like it since 1960.

 

You should check out the 2019 Buffalo Bills they are 10-5 and in the playoffs. 

 

Why would fans be happy ? ??‍♂️??‍♂️??‍♂️

 

Put me down for 100% and bring us Bruce Arians 

Edited December 22, 2019 by Teddy KGB

[John Adams]

40 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

That's on the OL. giving up a sack to a 3 man rush? Cody Ford is hella bad.

 

The final play looked like it was a screen it was so poorly blocked. 3 different guys were through faster than the ball hit his hands off the snap.

 

Ford was real bad yesterday but has not been bad the last few games. Hopefully Morse and Nsecke are back in 2 weeks. 

Edited December 22, 2019 by John Adams

[Putin]

8 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

The miss in the end zone on the final possession was a killer. I just don't know right now. Wildly inaccurate far too often, and I don't know the answer. 

 

He's gonna be around. He's actually not boom or bust because he's gonna do "enough." But I have some real doubts about whether he'll be able to take that next step at this moment.

This is a brand new offense that’s been put together this offseason  and you add rookie TE and RB to the mix , even OL is still work in progress , and we still need to add a true # 1 stud WR , WE WON 10 GAMES for the first time in 20 years and are going to playoff , 

we got draft , free agency ( 90 million)  to add more much needed pieces to both sides , 

Allen is not a finished product we all know that , but IMO next year will know the answer without the need to ask if Allen is or isn’t !!!

GO BILLS !!!!

[hemma]

He IS an NFL starter.

[Buffalo Boy]

49 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

... He hit two this game and one last week.

   The one to Brown, which caused me to freak out and hug the snot out of my kid, was thrown off platform while about to be killed.

    When he has no pressure( relatively speaking) and misses an open Knox twice in the back of the EZ or  the two he missed against Baltimore early( or bunch he missed all season) that is what I’m talking about.

    He has yet to demonstrate, on even a 50% basis, that he can drop passes over the top to open receivers moving away from him.

    If he hit half of them this year we would be AFC east champs already.

    I SO want him to be the “ one” but he has a ways to go.

    NE beat us yesterday with a fundamentally sound team playing good football. Our O looked anything but fundamentally sound.

Edited December 22, 2019 by Buffalo Boy

[Cripple Creek]

I have to admit that my confidence isn't 100.  His footwork is "sloppy" and he had taken some maddening sacks.  The poor footwork leads to inconsistency delivering the ball and the sacks sacrifice field position.  By far accuracy is number 1 on my concernometer.  I love the kid and everything that he represents, but he has to get better.  I'm not sure that will happen.  The accuracy issues are drive killers and you can't have those inconsistencies against the upper echelon teams.  We have shown that we can play with anyone in the NFL, the next step (accuracy) is critical and the window is 2 years.

[RaoulDuke79]

8 hours ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

I bet your woman (if you have one) has the hots for Allen.  Can be the only explanation for why you come here to trash Allen, but nobody or nothing else about this team.  You literally contribute nothing to this forum other than biased useless drivel!

I think we know the answer to this.

[mannc]

9 hours ago, Real McNasty said:

until refs make real calls it doesn't matter

 

Disgusting.

[papazoid]

90 % on josh

 

beanne & mcdermott are near 100% staying for an extended contract.

 

can't see them moving on from josh.

 

the only scenario i see is through injury, where the next guy up really shines (not currently on team)

[oldmanfan]

I’m confident he’s the starter for the next 13 years.

[CorkScrewHill]

10 hours ago, rayray808 said:

We are now at the point where a few things have been established:

 

- Playoffs are a lock

- Josh Allen is streaky

- Josh Allen has good games, and some not so good games

- Josh Allen is a duel threat who leads the league in rushing TDʻs but also fumbles

 

In threads there seems to be a divide that puts people all in on either him being the franchise, or him never able to make the jump to being an NFL starter.

 

This thread is intended to be able to quantify exactly how confident you are that he is indeed the future of the franchise without being 0% or 100% about it.

 

GO BILLS 

1) 70 - 30 he will be our guy ... when they brought him in he was a boom or bust prospect. He has shown he can learn and improve. As much as people want to gripe that was one of the best performances by a QB against the Pats this year .. if you look at the stats. 
2) He does not lead the league in fumbles .. he has lost 4 all year which puts him tied for 8th with Aaron Rodgers and Matt Ryan and just behind a long list of QBs with 3 each. 

[DefenseWins]

Allen is the Bills QB for many years to come. Is he a "finished product" just yet? Of course not. But he has already shown us that he is at least the 2nd best QB in his draft class. And lets remember that Wyoming is not exactly your ideal QB developmental school either. But he is progressing nicely. As I have said many times before, Kelly had 2 yrs in the USFL and then another 2-3 yrs in a Bills uniform before he became the QB that we all remember him as. I have no concerns about Allen's development. He wants to be the best he can be and he wants to be the Bills QB. He'll be fine. As far as "signature wins" are concerned, Allen has already had a few in my book. He's walked into Dallas and Pittsburgh just in the last few weeks alone and come out victorious. Those are not easy places to win consistently. We need to continue building this team around him.

 

[Hampton Josh fan]

How about creating an offense that puts Josh in a position to be successful.  A few talented receivers over 6 feet and a pass catching running back might be a good start. Then a coach that can teach Josh how to set up a good screen.

[wagon127]

9 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

That's much too simple an analysis.  

 

He has huge accuracy problems against all opponents.

 

It doesn't matter how good or bad a DB is if he is beaten but Allen can't physically get the ball to the receiver.

 

Allen's main problem is that he can't string entire games or even entire quarters together with strong play.

 

Why? Because he is not good enough to do so.

 

My fear is that he will be perceived as "good enough" to get a long look and it will take a long time to finally move on from him.  During that time, the Bills will not be a serious contender for anything.

 

 

Its year two. You've already given up. Cool.

[Mango]

Next 3 years? Or our franchise QB? 

 

3 more years seems about right. Then I think we move on. Our current style of play isn’t really sustainable for winning football games year over year. 

 

I mean, based on the QB market price now of $35M per year, do you take a huge chunk away from the defense and still expect Josh to win 10-12 games per year? 

 

With the 15th ranked defense, this is probably a 6-8 win football team. You don’t give a QB that much money if paying him means you drop under .500.

[Mango]

This thread should be “do you think we should pay Josh Allen 35-40 mil per year?”

 

Or

 

“Can we win 10+ games per year if we allocate 20% of our cap space to a player like Josh Allen?”

 

The answer is probably it’s too soon to tell, but at his current level of play, no

[Luka]

He has had two games now where he has a chance to tie the game against the 1 and 2 seed in the playoffs. Franchise QBs make big plays in those moments so I'm not as confident as I was that he'll stick around. The positive is he was real sloppy and inconsistent last year, worked his ass off in the offseason and came back more polished and has played much better this year. If he can do that this offseason then we will be in good shape.

[JaCrispy]

I’m pretty confident he will be the starter...but that’s not the same as being successful.

21 minutes ago, Mango said:

Next 3 years? Or our franchise QB? 

 

3 more years seems about right. Then I think we move on. Our current style of play isn’t really sustainable for winning football games year over year. 

 

I mean, based on the QB market price now of $35M per year, do you take a huge chunk away from the defense and still expect Josh to win 10-12 games per year? 

 

With the 15th ranked defense, this is probably a 6-8 win football team. You don’t give a QB that much money if paying him means you drop under .500.

This is an excellent point, and one that I think brings real clarity and practicality to the situation...

24 minutes ago, wagon127 said:

Its year two. You've already given up. Cool.

This post contributes absolutely nothing to the one you responded to...congrats...?

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

I feel like the OP should have made public where everyone is on this question. I shouldn't have to tell you its 100% unless he has a career ending injury-Lets hope not because we have the real deal at QB. And, he is a fine young guy to boot.