How confident are you that Josh Allen will be our starter for the next 3 years+

[TwistofFate]

7 minutes ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said:

Ok But you just mentioned we were squeaking out wins against bad teams. So is our d that good? or is because we have played bad teams? I like our D

 

 

But today We got killed in time of possession  we gave up  over 400 yards to an offense that for the past number of weeks has been dreadful. We got no pressure on Brady and had them pinned on the one yard line. It was not A Good day  for the d. What stops our d

from Being elite is lack of turnovers against good offenses. I’m not excusing Josh play but the pin it one guy over and over is

just crazy. 

Well look at the defensive performances against the Cowboys, the number 1 O in the league.   They were shut down on the road. 

 

Look at the defense against the Ravens, a team that simply mauled and ran over every opponent they've faced, including the patriots vaunted number 1 defense. 

 

I questioned how good our defense was until i saw them play upper echelon offenses, and for the most part nullify them. 

 

The defense is real and has carried us, but its unrealistic to expect them to shut down and stop every team every week.   The league is designed to give offense the upper hand. 

 

 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

Just now, TwistofFate said:

Qb is the focal point of the team, of pretty much any NFL team.   Try being a bit more objective about our own Qb and maybe Id take you more seriously. 

 

I don't really care to converse with you anymore.  So I won't be responding to you any further. 

 

I am pretty objective with Allen.  It's no secret I am a big fan of his, but I also don't shy away and provide constructive criticism when warranted as well as others on the team.  You on the other hand have an agenda, and when someone calls you out on it; you don't want to converse with them anymore!  8-year veteran with 373 posts all oriented at the QB (that's an agenda). Are you like on your third or fourth profile now?  I'd assume after 8-years you would have way more than 372 posts, or did your post count start to climb after the Bills drafted their QB who has them in the playoffs in his second year with games to spare?

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

2 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

Well look at the defensive performances against the Cowboys, the number 1 O in the league.   They were shut down on the road. 

 

Look at the defense against the Ravens, a team that simply mauled and ran over every opponent they've faced, including the patriots vaunted number 1 defense. 

 

I questioned how good our defense was until i saw them play upper echelon offenses, and for the most part nullify them. 

 

The defense is real and has carried us, but its unrealistic to expect them to shut down and stop every team every week.   The league is designed to give offense the upper hand. 

 

 

 I agree with you. We did play the Cowboys really good and  our  game plan was a thing of beauty against the Ravens.  We really did a great job on Lamar.

 

All I’m saying it’s that I can’t pin this all on Josh. He made two Incredible throws to get us the points we did. In time we will see if he can correct the issues that plague him. The fact that he had no ints against a defense that creates many and usually scores points on those turnovers is positive in my mind. 

 

I’m honestly most disappointed from a pure game plan aspect. I don’t like anything we did against them offensively.  The pats are not a good offense. Brady is not what he used to be and I question why Taron Johnson is one on one with Edelman. We made life to easy for him. I’m bummed because I thought today was the day.

I do think they will be ready to go in wildcard! 

[MJS]

It's 100% and not even close.

[Buffarukus]

2 hours ago, ALLEN1QB said:

I said 10% because somebody had to

 

it didnt have to be you maaan it didnt have to be you

 

your username has let us all down lol

[Alphadawg7]

He is the 6th ranked QB in total TDS in the entire NFL.  He’s second in total TDS behind only Lamar since the first NE game.  He has the longerst streak of consecutive multi TD games in the NFL this year . 
 

Dude has just started and finished 26 career games, barely over a season and a half. 
 

His top 3 receivers are midgets, and only 2 of them are any good.  He’s got raw rookies on the OL, TE and RB around him.

 

Think people need to take a chill pill and appreciate what he has already accomplished in an offense that’s still being built around him.  

[jlgarsh]

I put 90% only because injuries can happen in the NFL, 

[Tcali]

2 hours ago, rayray808 said:

We are now at the point where a few things have been established:

 

- Playoffs are a lock

- Josh Allen is streaky

- Josh Allen has good games, and some not so good games

- Josh Allen is a duel threat who leads the league in rushing TDʻs but also fumbles

 

In threads there seems to be a divide that puts people all in on either him being the franchise, or him never able to make the jump to being an NFL starter.

 

This thread is intended to be able to quantify exactly how confident you are that he is indeed the future of the franchise without being 0% or 100% about it.

 

GO BILLS 

kid is a winner----a very flawed winner. As long as he keeps improving even modestly he will be fine.the main thing he has improved on is the accuracy of his short passes.'he still holds the ball too long/doesnt throw it away: still cant throw a proper screen pass: still turns 1st and goal into 3rd and 14 routinely: 

He should watch tapes of Tom Brady all off season.Over and Over.-42 yrs old--rarely gets sacked because he gets the ball away quickly.Throws a beautiful screen pass(did you see that look off to sucker in the D lineman followed by going back to his man?). Doesnt throw mile high passes to short Julian edelman.

Allen is a remarkable runner...never gets down on himself/down in the dumps.Is a natural leader. As long as he doesnt regress he should be a capable QB for us for many years.

[JMF2006]

I can`t Billieve anyone would vote for anything other than 100%

Here is a HOF QB`s college stats

 

Year	Team	Games		Passing
		G	Rec	Att	Cmp	Pct	Yds	TD	Int	Rate
1979	Miami	11	5–6–0	104	48	46.2	721	5	6	108.7
1980	Miami	12	9–3–0	206	109	52.9	1,519	11	7	125.7
1981	Miami	11	9–2–0	283	168	58.9	2,403	14	14	136.2
1982	Miami	11	7–4–0	115	51	63.0	585	3	1	133.4
Career		45	30–15	676	376	55.6	5,228	33	28	128.4

3 minutes ago, JMF2006 said:

I can`t Billieve anyone would vote for anything other than 100%

Here is a HOF QB`s college stats

 

Year	Team	Games		Passing
		G	Rec	Att	Cmp	Pct	Yds	TD	Int	Rate
1979	Miami	11	5–6–0	104	48	46.2	721	5	6	108.7
1980	Miami	12	9–3–0	206	109	52.9	1,519	11	7	125.7
1981	Miami	11	9–2–0	283	168	58.9	2,403	14	14	136.2
1982	Miami	11	7–4–0	115	51	63.0	585	3	1	133.4
Career		45	30–15	676	376	55.6	5,228	33	28	128.4

 

Sorry I had to quote myself to put this second graph up

 

This is the same beloved HOF QB`s NFL stats

NFL

Year	Team	Games		Passing
		G	GS	Cmp	Att	Pct	Yds	TD	Int	Rate
1986	BUF	16	16	285	480	59.4	3,593	22	17	83.3
1987	BUF	12	12	250	419	59.7	2,798	19	11	83.8
1988	BUF	16	16	269	452	59.5	3,380	15	17	78.2
1989	BUF	13	13	228	391	58.3	3,130	25	18	86.2
1990	BUF	14	14	219	346	63.3	2,829	24	9	101.2
1991	BUF	15	15	304	474	64.1	3,844	33	17	97.6
1992	BUF	16	16	269	462	58.2	3,457	23	19	81.2
1993	BUF	16	16	288	470	61.3	3,382	18	18	79.9
1994	BUF	14	14	285	448	63.6	3,114	22	17	84.6
1995	BUF	15	15	255	458	55.7	3,130	22	13	81.1
1996	BUF	13	13	222	379	58.6	2,810	14	19	73.2
Career		160	160	2,874	4,779	60.1	35,467	237	175	84.4

Edited December 22, 2019 by JMF2006

[JMF2006]

Lets lighten up on the kid everyone.

 

Kelly had 2 years of semi pro ball to refine his craft before he came here.

 

Josh is learning under the biggest microscope in the world.

 

Relax and enjoy.

[BullBuchanan]

I picked 30%. He'll live and die with McD and those are about the odds I think he'll still be here by then. 

 

2 years in, I think Allen is way behind where he should be if we're going to think of him as a long term option. With the ball in his hands and under 2 minutes to go, I expect to lose unless it's to a  team we never should have been behind in the first place (like last week). He has the tools, but he doesn't seem like he has the ability to put them all together to dominate opponents the way even inferior QBs do on occasion. He has great plays and good games but he's yet to have the type of game that makes a person think he can be a top tier talent.

It's pretty clear he's not a bust, but I just hope we don't get saddled with a long term contract and get Carr/Dalton/Tannehill or even Rivers-esque results out of it. If he can't carry this squad, we shouldn't stop looking until we find someone that can.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I mean the guy has 21 TD'S and 5 turnovers since week 5. Over a stretch of 5 games I felt were a major test based on the stage and/or the defenses he was facing he had 7 TD'S and 3 turnovers. 4 of those 5 games were playoff atmospheres.

 

He doesn’t throw for a lot of yards yet and he is very inconsistent with accuracy, but he's a stud inside the redzone and he's tough. He'll be here for as long as McDermott is here.

 

Honestly next year will tell us everything. If they do this again then they will both be here a long time.

 

 

[GreggTX]

Josh clearly has a long way to go in numerous areas of his game. I'll say this much. He has gotten far more forgiveness from Bills fans than any player in franchise history and it's not even close. It seems to make no difference whether he plays well or not. Everyone sings his praises regardless. Honestly, I've seen nothing like it since 1960.

[Dr.Sack]

Whatever his completion % is on the year ~ 56%

[ALF]

Allen will be a minimum full 5 years to develop . The rest of the offense has to improve and upgrade around him.

[Tim Tindale]

I’m surprised it’s a debate, but I guess I shouldn’t be.  We’ve been wandering in the desert for 20 years, finally find an oasis, and some fans complain that the water isn’t Evian.  Then again, in the late-1980’s/early-1990’s, the same percentage of the fanbase wanted Kelly shipped out in favor of Reich (especially after the 1989 Bickering Bills disaster). 

 

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-12-23-sp-9648-story.html
 

Kelly probably would have fared worse than Allen on this poll after that 1989 season, right before four SB appearances.  The quarterback gets criticism when the team doesn’t go 19-0 and laments that said quarterback isn’t Tom Brady or Joe Montana.  Circle of life... ride the wave, enjoy Allen while he’s here (what a gamer), stop lamenting that we don’t have a first ballot Hall of Farmer, and remember what the 2000’s (and 1970s and most of the 1980s) were like.

 

On to the playoffs!  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

7 hours ago, zow2 said:

I think he will last.  Stuff like the end of the game was concerning though.  4 plays to score and go backwards.  Can’t do that. Need more awareness.  As McDermott said..the final series inside the 10 was not professional. 

 

That's on the OL. giving up a sack to a 3 man rush? Cody Ford is hella bad.

[BeastMaster]

There's so much to love with this kid that I have to go 90%.

 

He is off on too many throws, but I have to believe with everything else he's shown that he will improve upon it and overcome that flaw with the totality of his game if nothing else.

 

I leave open the 10% in case he just doesn't get any better with the missed throws, but he clearly made huge strides from last year till now, so I'm mostly assuming he shows more improvement next season.

 

If he does, we have quite the QB on our hands and are very fortunate. 

[Buffalo Boy]

50%
    I hope he can learn to hit those over the top passes. I’m not sure he ever will. 
    On the other hand, this Offense in general isn’t very good so I can’t tell. If he had an offense built around him that had lots of quick, straight line passes and a good running game he might be a world beater.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

I don't understand the point of this thread

 

Josh was a 1st round pick for whom we traded up

Players in whom we have that investment get time and effort to prove themselves.

He gets a partial pass for last season as the plan wasn't to have him start.

 

We are now 10-5 on the season.  Josh has 27 total TDs and 13 total turnovers, 3594 total yards. 

That's not "bust" territory.  He will be our starter for 3 years.  Neither is it "magical franchise man" territory.

 

The question for next year and his 4th year is to ensure we put enough offense around him to enable the FO to make a good decision about whether to pay him or move on.

 

....agree on all points......but...."get time and effort" is NOT in the "TBD Handbook of Player Assessment".....wouldn't you love to get drafted by Bflo and go through this gauntlet?......