How confident are you that Josh Allen will be our starter for the next 3 years+

[rayray808]

We are now at the point where a few things have been established:

 

- Playoffs are a lock

- Josh Allen is streaky

- Josh Allen has good games, and some not so good games

- Josh Allen is a duel threat who leads the league in rushing TDʻs but also fumbles

 

In threads there seems to be a divide that puts people all in on either him being the franchise, or him never able to make the jump to being an NFL starter.

 

This thread is intended to be able to quantify exactly how confident you are that he is indeed the future of the franchise without being 0% or 100% about it.

 

GO BILLS 

[MDH]

I said 40%. He is a true boom or bust prospect. If he puts it all together and the game slows down for him and he learns to dissect defenses while continuing to work on his footwork he will be a stud.

 

If it doesn’t all come together I see a frustrating QB who wows us on occasion but drives us crazy with his inconsistencies more often than not. 
 

I do love that he is a willing student and truly seems able to take coaching and improve but I have my doubts that he’ll ever put it all together.

[eanyills]

The answer is 50%. Josh has shown enough that he’ll get the full look of his contract but in three years it will be readily apparent if he’s hit a limited ceiling or not. The team is built to win now so he won’t get past the first contract if he ends up not taking his passing game to another level.

 

Next year will be huge for him, need to see more growth in his ability to read defenses and a little more touch on his passes. 

[RyanC883]

how much longer is Daboll around.  He is awful.  A young QB needs rhythm and to be able to play his style.  Notice how the offense was much better at the end of the 1st and 2nd half?  Not surprising given that we had to pass, JA got into a rhythm, ran, and played HIS style.  

 

JA did also miss Knox twice on somewhat difficult passes, but ones that should be made by a franchise QB.  He also took too many sacks (should have thrown it way).  But I think this is typical 2nd year stuff.  Basically, JA can be great, but Daboll's playcalling is killing him.  

[Tesla03]

very hard to say at this point.

 

Trubisky led his team to 12 wins, division title, and a missed FG away from a playoff win, this year they are burning his jersey in chicago. Bortles had very similar career stats to Allen,  led his team to the AFC championship game and almost won it, now he is a career backup. 

 

Allen is a gunslinger that doesn't put up gunslinger numbers. he has yet to reach 300 yards passing, constantly has poor completion %, struggles to hit deep balls. One thing is for sure though and that is I want to see him under a different OC very soon. Allen doesn't fit Dabolls offense and he refuses to scheme around his QB. Bring in someone like Jay Gruden. he turned Dalton into a top 10 QB. 

[ALLEN1QB]

I said 10% because somebody had to

[Nuncha]

1 minute ago, Tesla03 said:

very hard to say at this point.

 

Trubisky led his team to 12 wins, division title, and a missed FG away from a playoff win, this year they are burning his jersey in chicago. Bortles had very similar career stats to Allen,  led his team to the AFC championship game and almost won it, now he is a career backup. 

 

Allen is a gunslinger that doesn't put up gunslinger numbers. he has yet to reach 300 yards passing, constantly has poor completion %, struggles to hit deep balls. One thing is for sure though and that is I want to see him under a different OC very soon. Allen doesn't fit Dabolls offense and he refuses to scheme around his QB. Bring in someone like Jay Gruden. he turned Dalton into a top 10 QB. 

I don't think there is a QB in the NFL that would fit Cueboll's offense.  

[RyanC883]

9 minutes ago, MDH said:

I said 40%. He is a true boom or bust prospect. If he puts it all together and the game slows down for him and he learns to dissect defenses while continuing to work on his footwork he will be a stud.

 

If it doesn’t all come together I see a frustrating QB who wows us on occasion but drives us crazy with his inconsistencies more often than not. 
 

I do love that he is a willing student and truly seems able to take coaching and improve but I have my doubts that he’ll ever put it all together.

 

I don't think he puts it together if Daboll is here next year.  The crazy playcalling is killing him.   Any player needs to be in a rythym.  Hand off, hand off, 50 yard pass, punt.  then 10 yard pass, hand off, hand off, punt, etc.  no rythym! 

[LSHMEAB]

4 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

how much longer is Daboll around.  He is awful.  A young QB needs rhythm and to be able to play his style.  Notice how the offense was much better at the end of the 1st and 2nd half?  Not surprising given that we had to pass, JA got into a rhythm, ran, and played HIS style.  

 

JA did also miss Knox twice on somewhat difficult passes, but ones that should be made by a franchise QB.  He also took too many sacks (should have thrown it way).  But I think this is typical 2nd year stuff.  Basically, JA can be great, but Daboll's playcalling is killing him.  

The miss in the end zone on the final possession was a killer. I just don't know right now. Wildly inaccurate far too often, and I don't know the answer. 

 

He's gonna be around. He's actually not boom or bust because he's gonna do "enough." But I have some real doubts about whether he'll be able to take that next step at this moment.

[rayray808]

historically teams will bet on their rookie QB contract that shows promise over an OC

[CincyBillsFan]

Allen hasn't even finished his 2nd season yet and the positives far outweigh the negatives.  This season he has 29 TD's & only 13 TO's.  His team is 10 - 5 and has already locked up a playoff spot.

 

He was declared to be a major project with a real possibility of being a bust.  That is the FACT of how he was viewed by the vast majority of folks on May 1, 2018.  Anyone claiming different is guilty of rewriting history.  By this standard Allen has exceeded expectations by quite a bit.

 

Short of injury, I'm 100% positive that Allen will be our QB over the next 5 years. 

 

If he isn't we're FRACKED.

 

 

[JDubya76]

100%

[Big Gun]

This is just kind of dumb. He is going to be the starter in Buffalo long past 3 years. It's not even debatable. 

Edited December 22, 2019 by pop gun

[Albany,n.y.]

200 million percent.  The $200 million is his next contract.  

 

[fansince88]

17 minutes ago, rayray808 said:

We are now at the point where a few things have been established:

 

- Playoffs are a lock

- Josh Allen is streaky

- Josh Allen has good games, and some not so good games

- Josh Allen is a duel threat who leads the league in rushing TDʻs but also fumbles

 

In threads there seems to be a divide that puts people all in on either him being the franchise, or him never able to make the jump to being an NFL starter.

 

This thread is intended to be able to quantify exactly how confident you are that he is indeed the future of the franchise without being 0% or 100% about it.

 

GO 

We? You have a mouse in your pocket?

[CincyBillsFan]

7 minutes ago, Tesla03 said:

very hard to say at this point.

 

Trubisky led his team to 12 wins, division title, and a missed FG away from a playoff win, this year they are burning his jersey in chicago. Bortles had very similar career stats to Allen,  led his team to the AFC championship game and almost won it, now he is a career backup. 

 

Allen is a gunslinger that doesn't put up gunslinger numbers. he has yet to reach 300 yards passing, constantly has poor completion %, struggles to hit deep balls. One thing is for sure though and that is I want to see him under a different OC very soon. Allen doesn't fit Dabolls offense and he refuses to scheme around his QB. Bring in someone like Jay Gruden. he turned Dalton into a top 10 QB. 

 

The announcers kept calling Winston a "gunslinger" - 31 passing TD's; all sorts of 300 & 400 yard passing games; 28 interceptions and a 7 - 8 record with no playoffs.  We don't want a gunslinger. 

 

As for Turbisky?  Who knows but if the Bears walk away from him I suspect that they will be sorry. 

 

 

[Phil The Thrill]

Like someone else pointed out, this team is going to have a window where they can compete but it might only be 2-3 years.  If the team feels Josh isn’t making enough progress toward the end of his deal, I can see them being in another QB like a Tennessee did with Tannehill.  Then all bets are off.

 

But at some point, Josh is going to need to step up

[Madmax09]

He has it. He’s a baller. Stop worrying about stats. This coach, this Gm, and this qb will win championships. 

[zow2]

I think he will last.  Stuff like the end of the game was concerning though.  4 plays to score and go backwards.  Can’t do that. Need more awareness.  As McDermott said..the final series inside the 10 was not professional. 

[zonabb]

100% because he's like so many other mediocre QBs who were first rounders. Teams draft these guys, they have serious flaws but don't entirely crash and burn. So teams, esp. GMs, don't and won't admit they should draft someone again after a 3rd straight year of stagnation. So they get to the 4th year, opt into the 5th and there you go, Allen for 5 yrs. And I'll bet anyone $10,000 that he'll never have a season over 65% completion.